'Hillary will never survive the Trump onslaught .... the shitstorm coming from Trump"

[imagine2015]

March 14,2016

Hillary will never survive the Trump onslaught: It’s not fair, but it makes her a weak nominee
Clinton backers who tout their "realism" need to get real about how she'll handle the shitstorm coming from Trump
by Steve Almond

Alas, the reality is that Hillary is among the most hated politicians in America. There is, to begin with, her dismal favorability rating, which stands at 53 percent, with a net negative of 12 percent. (Sanders has a net positive of 12 percent.)

But even more important is the intensity of the animus against her, and the sad mountain of baggage she carries with her as a candidate.

No matter who the GOP nominee is, the battle plan against Hillary will be the same: a tawdry and unrelenting relitigation of all the phony scandals cooked up by the “vast, right-wing conspiracy” that she identified nearly two decades ago.

Cue up the Pearl Jam, folks, because we’re going all the way back to the ’90s: Whitewater, Travelgate, Troopergate, Lewinskygate, with a little Vince Foster Murdergate, for a dash of blood. But wait—those are just the golden oldies! You’ll also be hearing about the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Pardons. Of course, what respectable slander campaign would be complete without the new material? Benghazi, the private email server, the Wall Street speeches?

The dark corporate money and talented propagandists aligned against Hillary will make the Swift Boat Veterans look like toy soldiers.
And because our Fourth Estate is driven at this point almost entirely by the desperate promotion of scandal narratives and conflict, every one of these paid attacks will be amplified by so-called free media, or what us starry-eyed hippies used to call journalism.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/hillary_will_never_survive_the_trump_onslaught_its_not_fair_but_it_makes_her_a_weak_nominee/

[Renew Deal]

1. Salon is an anti-Hillary propaganda site

[Mary Mac]

14. totally

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No place for Hillary supporters on Salon. At least on some days. Maybe that will change.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

35. Wow.

The

[yeoman6987]

36. I do think he will go after her on her vote in Iraq

And I think maybe trade. I don't think he has much else. So that is two weeks out of 4 months. She will take over all discussion after those two issues are dealt with....she will take a hit on those and move on. She will ultimately win.

[jwirr]

2. It will be a no holds barred down in the mud match. I don't

think she will be able to out slime him.

[geek tragedy]

7. She won't be him, but she will beat him. nt

[FarPoint]

27. Exactly....

Never forget her waterboarding by the GOP Benghazi hearings. She with rise above all.

[redstateblues]

3. Welcome to DU. Is that you Sean Hannity?

I see you have quickly learned how to use RW talking points

[imagine2015]

11. Do you also red-bait liberals and socialists you disagree with?

If you are unable to dispute or challenge any of the points in the article why are you bothering to post here?

Personal attacks and slanders of the kind you just made have no place in a democratic debate and discussion.

[msongs]

4. she seems to be surviving the shit storm coming from the sanders crowd...says the vote totals nt

[geek tragedy]

5. So now the BernieBros are explicitly invoking Vince Foster

under the pretext that "of course the Republicans will use this."

No dignity in defeat for the desperate.

[Politicalboi]

6. Sounds right

Dump will get sympathy if Hillary attacks him. He'll probably try and sue her. Not that it will work. He sues everybody.

[cynatnite]

8. With her 25+ years of RW onslaught...

Eleven hours of sweaty Trey Gowdy and his vendetta without a hair out of place, I'm not in the least bit worried about Hillary taking Trump down and proving to the world that he's a fascist spoiled egomaniac.

[upaloopa]

9. Yea like Trump is so beloved that it is all a myth that nobody want's him to run for the presidency.

Minorities and women just can't wait to vote for Trump.

[ecstatic]

10. President Obama has flattened Trump several times.

Let's face it, Hillary isn't great at campaigning. But if Hillary is the nominee, Obama will destroy Trump, once and for all.

Edited to add: let's not pretend that Trump wouldn't destroy Bernie, but the difference is, Bernie doesn't have any skilled friends to defend him.

[imagine2015]

13. Obama would certainly do better and he sure as hell beat Hillary in 2008.

[stevenleser]

22. He barely edged her and he is much more like able than Trump. Trump can't win against anybody

in a general election. His negatives with the Latino community are fatal and that is just one part of the problems he will have.

http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2016/02/if-it-is-donald-trump-vs-hillary.html

[FarPoint]

29. Hillary won't be alone in the battle..

She has a fine Team ...Count in President Obama and Clinton and Harry Reid and many, many more... Trump... He is a lone gun. The GOP has no desire or passion to advocate and support his campaign....Essentially, they can't sell it....

[SidDithers]

30. Yup...

Completely ignoring the time Obama seared Trump at the WH Correspondents Dinner, can you image this message out on the campaign trail? Trump would lose in a landslide.

Sid

[Trust Buster]

12. The Reublicans have spent umpteen millions over a 25 year period

attacking Hillary and her husband. She has stood up to a quarter century of this crap. She sat for 10 hours during her Benghazi appearance walking away looking presidential while the Republicans on the panel looked red faced and whooped. Skinner warned against puffing up Trump.

[imagine2015]

15. And that's why she has incredibly high distrust ratings.

[Trust Buster]

17. Yes. That opposition spending over 25 creates an illusion IMO.

[workinclasszero]

16. Fuck Salon those assholes!

I bet they will be supporting Trump in the general!

[imagine2015]

18. Oh quit whining!

Grow up.

If you can't respond to and refute anything whatsoever in the article why did you post here?

I suppose if you can express an intelligent opinion the only recourse is to engage in personal attacks, red-baiting or the ever popular right-wing baiting.

[leftofcool]

26. Get a grip! This is Salon Trump Humping!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

40. Angry much??

[JaneyVee]

19. Trump fluff pieces are banned.

Youve been warned.

[imagine2015]

23. You've threatened me. Why? Don't lie. It was not a pro-Trump article.

I've been warned? Just who the hell do you think you are to threaten me?

This is Democratic Underground. Threatening posters is not tolerated here as far as I know.

[leftofcool]

25. I assume you did not read the new Skinner note?

Trump fluff pieces are not allowed.

[imagine2015]

31. So articles critical of Trump are not allowed? What do you mean by a "fluff" article?

It's obviously not pro-Trump and do you think that Salon is some sort of right-wing Republican website?

That's news to me.

Maybe the "fluff Trump" is a term familiar to you but let's see if you can define it for me.

[randome]

20. And what is this based on? His 'battle hardened tactics' against his competitors?

He defeated Cruz, the Senator that no one likes. He defeated the weak-kneed Rubio. He defeated the bleary-eyed Carson. Kaisch he didn't even need to do much simply because no one voted for him.

I think judging Trump on his record of past victories tells us nothing about him that we didn't already know: he's a blowhard and blowhards fall hard.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[leftynyc]

21. LOL

You would think salon would be embarrassed at all the things they've gotten wrong this primary season but I see they're still swinging for the fences.

[leftofcool]

24. I see Salon is Trump humping now.

[hrmjustin]

28. Hillary is much tougher than Sanders.

[ucrdem]

32. That was March 14. Then came March 15 and she cleaned his clock in Ohio.

Trump won't be a problem.

p.s. and everywhere else it seems. Overall vote, By candidate:

Clinton - 8,668,136

Trump - 7,548,429

Sanders - 6,131,951

[NCTraveler]

33. It will be tough.

But this author is simply a Trump humping fucking idiot. Amazing what can be sold to people when emotions are high.

[beachbum bob]

34. I am afraid that is ass-backwards...trump can not tolerate ANY criticism from a mere female...

he couldn't handle Meagan Kelly and has NO chance with Hillary who won't put up with his lying butt....I can't wait for the first debate between trump and hillary.....IF trump is even BRAVE enough to be onstage with her as his a coward when being confronted.....and bot trump as boxcar of baggage we can take advantage of....



can't wait

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. I think you hit the nail on the head. He will be going nuts. Repubs and mysogynists will be ok

with it but suburban women and educated women not so much.

[LexVegas]

37. Death throes of a dying campaign. nt

[Tarc]

38. Lol, and you think Sanders and his supporters can???

Look what y'all do right here on the DU;

Oh my god...TRASH FORUM...how awesome!

If you can't even handle a fellow Democrat with whom you disagree on some issues, you aren't prepared to deal with Trump and his idiot brigade who oppose us on every issue.

[4nic8em]

39. Regarding Salon:

There is a lady by the name of Joan Walsh (from Salon) who regularly appears on Rachael's show with MSNBC as a panel guest. I have absolutely enjoyed her fair contribution of all things DEMOCRATIC over the years. I have noticed that lately (past couple months) that she has shown an obvious preference to Hillary regarding our primary (good or bad makes no difference for this post). I'm only sharing this to present the fact that you cannot dismiss SALON broadly without acknowledging that she is also included in such a generic and sweeping indictment. (Salon and Joan as an example only)

This thread is a wonderful example of what gets covered over by the broad brush approach. Our primary is full of nuance, divisiveness, conflicting opinion and preference...as well it should be. I've been actively supporting Democrats since the 70's.

Just to switch gears, I am particularly troubled (and very worried) with this whole primary season up til now. BOTH Dem primary candidates, albeit important for the nomination, right now is a secondary concern (to me) as it relates to the GE. We will have a nominee.

Here is my concern. Has anyone taken notice of individual primary/caucus turnout numbers for DEM versus GOP? Our party is getting our collective asses kicked by a considerably larger GOP turnout in almost every individual state so far. Don't believe me? Check out the numbers for yourself...please. I will not include the links I've used...as I have no desire to be caught in candidate crossfire.

I submit this larger repub turnout is mostly because of the intense visceral and unrestrained hatred of all things Obama. It has been this way from the beginning of Obama's 1st term and will continue until the end of his 2nd term. No big surprise huh?...

That being said, I feel that Trump embodies everything I disdain, but what truly scares the hell out of me is the possibility that Ted Cruz could be the one who "rescues" the GOP from Trump...brokered convention or not.

So lets keeping pissing on each other and continue to assume we've got the GE in the bag (sarcasm). I personally do not want a repeat of the Bush legacy and absolutely loathe the idea that it could turn out worse. I remember vividly how we all could not believe Bush was not only elected, but re-elected for a 2nd term. I hope we don't have to apologize for America to the rest of the world...again.

Peace

[kerry-is-my-prez]

42. Agree with you 100%.

[AgadorSparticus]

43. This is so lame. Trump doesn't have a chance in the GE.