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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:26 PM Mar 2016

Vote Sanders. Everyone else will send your kids to war.

Intervention is the central question of American foreign policy. When, where, and how should the United States project power abroad? Our answers help shape the world.

Debate over intervention has naturally become part of this season’s presidential campaign. Most candidates sing from the same foreign policy hymnal. They share deeply ingrained assumptions: The United States is the indispensable nation that must lead the world; this leadership requires toughness; and toughness is best demonstrated by the threat or use of force. It is the Cold War consensus, untouched by the 21st century.

Only one of the remaining candidates has broken from this orthodoxy. Bernie Sanders is often described as inexperienced in world affairs. Certainly he has spent far fewer hours thinking about global issues than his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton. Yet recently he has found a theme: the long-term effects of intervention. Rather than cheer every show of American force, Sanders reminds us of the parlous consequences of past assaults on other countries.

http://stephenkinzer.com/2016/03/vote-sanders-everyone-else-will-send-your-kids-to-war/

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djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. And that is exactly how the kids see it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

Amazingly enough, they do not feel they would consider it an honor to kill and be killed just so we can have a first woman president.

Who would have think it? Personally, if Hillary gets to the presidency, I wish only those who voted for her go to war. Seems fair.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
3. Oh really?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:33 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie Sanders' Troubling History of Supporting US Military Violence Abroad

*"Notably he supported NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, a stance which caused one of his staffers to resign in protest."
*"While it's true he voted against the Iraq War, he also voted in favor of authorizing funds for that war and the one in Afghanistan."
*"He voted in favor of a $1 billion aid package for the coup government Ukraine"
*"Supported Israel's assault on Gaza"

So, no, he won't send YOUR kids, but that says nothing about the kids of other nations, now does it?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
6. If Hillary were campaigning on an antiwar platform, you'd have a point
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016

But she isn't, so, you don't.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. LOL. Let me see if I follow. Since she doesn't claim not to be a neocon, that justifies her being
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

a neocon? Did I get that right?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. Oh, minuscule?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

Can you tell us where the tipping point is for when support for warfare tips from minuscule to non-minuscule? Is it a quota thing, like 5 war votes per year? Do you add up the budget dollars?

We haven't even even scratched the surface yet regarding war support, e.g. Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas.

Note that I do not fault Sanders for his votes and his positions in these events; in fact I support them wholeheartedly. What is being called out here is the hypocrisy of some of his supporters on the issue.

msongs

(67,405 posts)
11. bernie is fine with war and killing. bernie loves him some MIC if he gets a direct benefit from
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:56 PM
Mar 2016

supporting and voting for it. He continuously votes to fund the war machine. he is NO peacenik

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