Sanders won 11 states to Hillary's 7 states; looks to build that lead to 14 to 7 states this weekend

[Attorney in Texas]

while also expanding on his 590 to 515 Outside-the-Bible-Belt delegate lead.

Let's get this out of the way first: Hillary is the undisputed winner of the 13-state Bible Belt, and no one disagrees with that (hey, congratulations!):



In the rest of America, however, Sanders continues to build his lead over Hillary:

State.....Hillary Delegates.....Sanders Delegates

IA.....................23....................21
NH.....................9....................15
NV....................20....................15
CO....................28....................38
MA....................46....................45
MN....................31....................46
OK....................17.....................21
VT......................0.....................16
NE....................10.....................15
KS......................9.....................24
ME......................9.....................16
MI.....................63.....................67
IL......................78.....................78
MO....................36.....................35
OH....................81.....................62
AZ…………………..….44………….....………31
UT……………………....6…………….....…….27
ID……………………..…5…………….....…….18

Total................515...................590 out of 1105

Both PredictWise and BornToRunTheNumbers project Sanders as the likely winner of all three contests this weekend:

Washington (Sanders 54% to Hillary 46% projected with Sanders a 97% favorite)

Alaska (Sanders 61% to Hillary 39% projected with Sanders a 93% favorite)

Hawaii (Sanders 58% to Hillary 42% projected with Sanders a 69% favorite)

How many states does Hillary have to lose outside of the Bible Belt before there is greater concern that Hillary's appeal is mainly as a regional candidate?

Will Sanders' continued dominance of Hillary outside of the Bible Belt win him enough delegates to make up for her regional wins down south? Stay tuned!

Keep fighting! Keep donating! Keep winning!

[bravenak]

1. So the 'bible belt' voters are something separate from the rest of America?

I guess those proud black voters down South might not think to kindly on those who treat them as a separate nation.

[mak3cats]

4. Do you have to take offense at everything by making it a race thing?

I agree with you a lot of the time, but this one is really stretching. Just saying.

[bravenak]

7. Those voters count just as much and many many of them are black so yes, it is a necessary question

[ky_dem]

15. But actually they don't count in the General

And none of us in the south will count until 2020 at the earliest. So yes they and I have an equal right to voice who we want to lead the Democratic party, but it's short-sighted to act like a win in Mississippi is the same as a win in Ohio (picking on purpose 2 states H. Clinton has won)

[redstateblues]

33. Neither do any of Bernie's red state wins in small states

[ky_dem]

45. Exactly - except for delegate count there are a lot of pretty meaningless victories

I would look at how the candidates are doing in swing states and 'leans blue' states.


Ohio - 56.5 Clinton, 42.7 Sanders
Colorado - 30.4 Clinton, 59.0 Sanders
Iowa - 49.9 Clinton, 49.6 Sanders
Nevada - 52.6 Clinton, 47.3 Sanders
New Hampshire - 38.0 Clinton, 60.4 Sanders
Virginia - 64.3 Clinton, 35.2 Sanders
Florida - 65.9 Clinton, 33.3 Sanders

So I would *say Clinton has a slight edge in these states overall, but I do find it a more interesting view of the race then just looking at all the states

[Blus4u]

54. You are so right.....

I have lived in NC, GA, LA, VA, TX (twice) - I don't think my vote for president ever counted in the general.

Peace

[Attorney in Texas]

16. There are African Americans who live in California, too. Let's let them have a vote!

[HooptieWagon]

19. In a word, yes. Nt

[jeff47]

57. Yes. (nt)

[reddread]

79. they do

because only hillary supporters can play that concern.
look at the double standard/hypocrisy

[reddread]

6. why do they call it the bible belt?

why is every other post in LBN or GD about some CIVIL RIGHTS outrage occurring within those states that favored HRC?
Bible Belt is as nice a term as I can think of.

[bravenak]

8. The rest of the nation aint much better to be talking mess

[reddread]

11. you got that right

but there are worlds of difference.
I feel sorry for those who are surrounded by dishonest conservatives claiming God or some other entity
fill in the blank

[AgerolanAmerican]

23. come visit and find out

Around here things go from 0 to Jesus in 60 seconds or less

[SusanCalvin]

27. Not everywhere (fortunately for me), but too many places.

Think Sheldon Cooper's mom. That character is spot on.

[reddread]

47. done been

when the Baptist preacher man puts ads on the radio telling people not to donate to the homeless on the street,
thats about all I need to know.
mind you, born in Kansas.
lived in Kentucky for a little spell lately.
california knows how to worship.
that stuff they are thinking has to be kept down low round here.
still there, but so is the shame.

[CajunBlazer]

67. I'm sure that we could point out idiots in every state

Yes, I am surrounded by many conservatives here in Alabama, but though we may not agree politically, the vast majority are very good people. Most predominately white religious congregations are very active in local charity work including in the black communities and in the care of the homeless. And when disaster strikes they stand in line to help the victims. In their level of kindness, I would put them against the people of any other state, bar none.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. So kindly keep your stupid generalities to yourself.

[reddread]

78. i know we can

no shortage whatsoever.
i wasnt generalizing.

[CajunBlazer]

88. Then exactly what was your point?

You take the actions of one stupid individual and then say, "that tells me all I need to know"

Exactly what thought were you trying to express?

[redstateblues]

37. Condescending. We don't use that here

Very elitist of you

[reddread]

48. so acknowledging the cultural results of racism and religious hatreds that form the bedrock

of "polite society" in those states is
elitist.
condescending?
how very whatever.

[CajunBlazer]

89. You're clueless!

Every state in the nation has racists, bigots, and militant organizations. The biggest racist I have met lived his entire life in Chicago, IL. Yes, we have our rednecks in the South, but there are people like that all over this country.

Yes, racism is still more open in the South, though that is rapidly changing, but the racism which is unspoken and hidden in other parts of the country can be more sinister and dangerous because you never know who your true enemies are.

You may regard the South as a bunch of uneducated heathens, but at least some of us can write clearly using complete sentences with proper punctuation and capitalization. Obviously, you can not.

[reddread]

93. did you say "yes"?

[CajunBlazer]

94. No use arguing with some who has trouble experessing his/herself

That's like getting into an ass kicking contest with a one legged man.

[Attorney in Texas]

14. Everyone's votes count in America. Yay! The Bible Belt is just much less progressive than the rest

of America (and yet we all nevertheless agree 100% that every region has every right to vote exactly as the voters within that region wish - we don't want to call the race before the West Coast gets a vote, right!).

These 13 states of the Bible Belt compose the most anti-Progressive region in the US (it is the region that is least supportive of reproductive health liberties, collective bargaining rights, GLBT equality, etc.).

I'm not shocked that the Jewish progressive candidate from New York via Vermont did less well in this region than the more conservative former First Lady of Arkansas. Are you?

Now lets see what the rest of the country thinks about these two candidates!

[redstateblues]

40. Utah and Idaho are much more conservative.BTW Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators

in Congress.

[reddread]

49. not liberal enough for Utah and Idaho, though?

or was she running to the left of Bernie Sanders?
5 to 1.

[CajunBlazer]

91. How many Utah's and Idaho's would Bernie have to win...

..to win as many delegates a Hillary won in Texas, or Florida. And wait; New York is on the horizon.

But, here is the bottom line, Bernie is going to lose the nomination, no matter how many states with small populations he wins.

Enjoy your victories in small battles while you can, because you will lose the war, and deep down if you are honest with yourself, you know it. But maintain your hope while you can because hope is fleeting.

[reddread]

95. a little birdie told me

its all going to work out.
sorry.

[CajunBlazer]

99. You've totally lost touch with reality

And in more ways than one.

[bravenak]

64. Oh bull

Idaho and Utah are not more progressive than the south

[Attorney in Texas]

74. Ever looked into Salt Lake City politics?

[Logical]

62. Yes, you have made it clear you think all Bernie supporters and Bernie is a racist. We get it. nt

[bravenak]

63. I never said Bernie was a racist nor ALL of his supporters

[Tanuki]

83. The same poster was also trying to peddle the "Confederate state" thing.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1326694

[JPnoodleman]

101. Not to criticize you too heavily buttttttttt.....

Weren't you the one arguing that the Bernie voters should be considered irrelevant and said we were only like 10% of the voters? But black America is only 12.6 % of the population total? Not even what percentage of that number votes but if your going to call one group irrelevant for allegedly being small, your not exactly in a huge position to go on about that.

[JoePhilly]

2. LOL ... the search for new metrics continues!!!!

[hrmjustin]

3. Why aren't we including the south?

[DanTex]

5. LOL.

[UMTerp01]

9. Not this shit again

How many more times are the southern states going to be dissed because Bernie didn't win them? You talk about how he should stay in it because every state deserves to hear their voices heard (which I agree with) but then in the same breath discount those southern states because he didn't win any of them. :rolleyes:

[riversedge]

29. It nevers ends here on DU.

[Onlooker]

10. Black states don't matter

Apparently states where blacks and Latinos set the tone of the Democratic Party don't really matter to many Bernie supporters.

[Vote2016]

12. kick & rec #5

[okasha]

13. From another viewpoint.

Bernie's states are mostly white majority with Libertarian leanings. How many highly diverse states does Hillary have to win before thdre's concern that Sanders' appeal is to a very narrow demographic?

Not a fair question, really, since it's already happening.

[Dawson Leery]

60. Hillary won white working class votes in Ohio.

[enid602]

17. ???

OK, ID, KS and UT are Bible Belt. It will be interesting to see how Bernie's annti Wall St message will play in NJ, NY, CT and PA.

[Zira]

24. I know Hillary is from NY but I don't believe she'll take it.

I believe they are too informed to vote for her on her liberal platform. All they have to do is google her and her and decide if they support what she's running on then they better vote for Bernie.

It's not only liberal states voting for Bernie, it's the educated too. NY has a whole lot of colleges and college graduates.

[Metric System]

28. Informed and educated people are also voting for Hillary, thank you very much.

[enid602]

31. northeast

Wall St is the region's major employer. Good luck peddling Bernie's 'business model of greed' philosophy there.

[hrmjustin]

35. I live in NYC and I am very involved in local politics and I can tell you Hillary will win big here.

[redstateblues]

44. Honestly, your poor grammar makes you sound like the "lo info" voters you are disparaging

Condescending Bullshit.

[brush]

77. Think again. She's way ahead in New York.

[jcgoldie]

18. Gotta love how people slant this by referring to it as the "bible belt"

or the "Confederacy" or "Red states" where Hillary has dominated this election... in reality her margins have nothing to do with how conservative those regions are and everything to do with the fact that her supporters are much more diverse than his and those areas have much greater pluralities of minorities.

[brooklynite]

20. Let's get this out of the way first...Bernie is the undisputed winner of the Tea Party west...

Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebrasks, Idaho, Utah.

[Jitter65]

61. Exactly!!! nt

[Bluenorthwest]

82. Hmmm. 112th House Tea Party Members from Kansas-2; From OK-0; From NB-1

Utah-1; Idaho 0

Texas-11; Arizona-2, South Carolina-4; Florida-4 Louisiana-3

Of course those are Republicans but who is really winning the actual Tea Party States. 4 Members from the States you list, 24 from mine.


Tea Party State Crown goes to Hillary Clinton, and that's sort of the point.

[JoePhilly]

98. Lol!!!

[Yavin4]

21. Sanders has been winning caucus states which greatly favor college students

who have 5 hours to sit in a room and debate before voting.

[RandySF]

39. +1

[jeff47]

58. As long as you ignore the difficulties in getting to an off-campus caucus location.

Little detail you seem to have glossed over.

[CajunBlazer]

68. I would say that college students are among the most able bodied voters.

They have no trouble going shopping and going on dates. Why is it that so few of them had trouble getting out to vote for Bernie even though he is offering them freebies? Answer, they had something better to do.

[kcjohn1]

22. South states Hillary dominated

Aren't "diverse" as people here love to say. They are fairly unrepresentative of America as whole. Most of the south majority of the voters were AA voters when AA's only compose of 15% of total population. In fact they are the least diverse and representatives.

If you are going to use "diverse" keep it states like NY, CA, IL, MI, NV, MO, etc where you don't have on race dominating and includes real diversity such as Asian, Latiinos and other minority groups.

[jcgoldie]

25. the point is its silly to pick and choose which states count

We could just as easily make this same argument throwing out the states where there arent any black people and see who wins... but that would be silly too. She has over 2.5 million more votes wherever they are and whatever they look like.

[H2O Man]

26. Strongly recommended.

Thank you.

[Garrett78]

30. These sorts of threads never cease to amaze me.

See the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511559961

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511495322

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511460282

[Major Hogwash]

32. Mahalo, Attorney in Texas.

It's going to be a wonderful weekend.

[Attorney in Texas]

43. This weekend looks very promising, and here's a sneak peak at April 5-9 (Wisconsin and Wyoming)

Wisconsin = Hillary 40% chance of winning; Sanders 60% chance of winning

Wyoming = Hillary 7% chance of winning; Sanders 93% chance of winning

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-primaries#Link1

[Major Hogwash]

46. Wyoming is cowboy country.

That's the way Randolph Scott would have done it.

[CajunBlazer]

69. Wyoming is also one of the reddest states in the union

So Bernie's people won't be able to claim it as a win.

[Major Hogwash]

72. In 1965 or so, we used to drive through Wyoming to get to Colorado.

And there would be huge herds of antelope grazing just off the side of the highway.
And sometimes some of them would run parallel to the highway, as if they were racing our car!
It was a trip!

[cemaphonic]

34. Bernie is totally crushing the pledged delegate count too!

(If you ignore all those delegates that Clinton won)

This is getting embarrassing. Bernie himself is great, but the pro-Bernie camp on the internet is rapidly devolving into Baghdad Bob territory.

[RandySF]

36. This is news to me

When did they change the rules to exclude Sourhen state delegates?

[sufrommich]

38. Black votes matter.

Damn,you guys aren't even trying anymore.

[KingFlorez]

41. Sanders is bernt out

Unfortunately for him all states count. Stupid rules.

[RandySF]

42. It doesn't get more "Bible" than Kansas and Oklahoma

Though it's nice too see Bernie do well with the polygamist vote in Utah.

[anotherproletariat]

50. Wow...Alaska and Hawaii are going to Sanders? I'm totally switching my vote. nt

[mythology]

51. Ugh

This is offensive. If we just ignore black voters because some of them happen to live in southern states, then let's take out Sanders wins in Kansas, Utah, Idaho, Nebraska and Oklahoma on the basis of those states being largely conservative. I mean if we're going to not count a state because it was on the wrong side of the Civil War, then we have to discount Utah as it's home of the Mormon church which had to be dragged kicking and screaming into allowing black people and we couldn't possibly count Idaho home of the Aryan Nations.

Oh wait, that would be stupid.

Your argument that if we just don't count states that have happen to have heavy minority populations so you can sculpt a scenario where it looks like Sanders is winning, is something that should be unworthy of this site. It's stupid when Ann Coulter says that women shouldn't have the right to vote because it gets in the way of her candidates, it's stupid when you say that votes of minorities shouldn't count because it gets in the way of your candidate.

The fact that several Sanders supporters here seem to have no compunction about speaking down to and about minority voters is pathetic.

[dubyadiprecession]

52. Mathematically he can't make it...

A little birdie tried to tell him.

[LuvLoogie]

53. Some more numbers for you.

Here are the blue states that Barack won in 2012 that Bernie has also won this primary:

State Electoral Votes

NH 4
VT 3
ME 4
MN 10
CO 9
MI 16

TOTAL TO DATE 46


Here are the blue states that Barack won in 2012 that Hillary has also won this primary:

State Electoral Votes

MA 11
OH 18
IL 20
FL 29
NV 6
IA 6
VA 13

TOTAL TO DATE 103

[Renew Deal]

55. You're wrong. Bernie is undefeated in 2016.

If you only count VT Bernie is undefeated. Awarding 7 states to Clinton is clearly an MSM DNC skull n bones conspiracy.

[upaloopa]

56. If you ignore all the delegates Hillary has then Bernie's numbers

look good.

Of course that is meaningless

[Dawson Leery]

59. The Laura Ingraham argument in 2000.

It's the number of states won, not the popular vote, not the delegates which are divided based upon the popular vote, but the number of states one.

So New Hampshire with 4 EV's is greater than Ohio with 20 EV's. I see. The extremes on both sides have an allergy to logic.

Don't worry Tex, that little birdy came by to tell Bernie it's over. If Berns doesn't believe that, we in the Northeast will show him next month.

[blueintelligentsia]

65. Florida, part of the bible belt?, she might win there in the GE...

It's a purplish state, Obama won there and she does very well with older voters.

[CajunBlazer]

66. And yet he is still too far behind on pledge delegates to catch up

I wouldn't call Arizona the "Bible Belt", but even with Hillary's big win there while Bernie won two states - Utah and Idaho - Bernie didn't get the increase in delegates he needed to catch up with Hillary by the end of the primaries and caucuses. So statistically he is now further behind with three less states to go.

By the way two of the biggest delegate states remaining in New York and Pennsylvania where Bernie is 21 to 48 points behind and 25 to 30 points behind respectively. And oh, it's closer in California where he is only 9 to 11 points behind. Maybe Bernie can catch up and make California a "virtual tie" so he doesn't get any further behind in the biggest delegate state of them all.

And oh, none of those states are in the bible belt, but 2 are in New England, Bernie's home territory. Imagine that.

[Recursion]

70. "The South" is misleading: she's stronger in the Sun Belt

And the Sun Belt is where the people are now.

[CajunBlazer]

71. Attorney in Texas - Where are you getting this crap - a Bernie website?

You posted:

Washington (Sanders 54% to Hillary 46% projected with Sanders a 97% favorite)

Alaska (Sanders 61% to Hillary 39% projected with Sanders a 93% favorite)

Hawaii (Sanders 58% to Hillary 42% projected with Sanders a 69% favorite)

According to RealClearPolitics.com

There are no valid polls for Washington and there are no Nate Silvers predictions.

There is only one valid poll for Alaska - but it is old and show Hillary
ahead by 2% and are no Nate Silvers predictions

In Hawaii, two valid polls show Hilary ahead by 7 and 11 points and are no
Nate Silvers predictions

I think this is ample evidence that you are trying to keep people's hopes up and keep them donating to the Sanders campaign under false pretenses.

What do you have to say for yourself "counselor"? You act like a kid that is still in first year of law school.

[Adrahil]

73. You MUST be a lawyer to play so fast and loose with the facts. NT

[Historic NY]

76. He sucks with math too.

[Zynx]

75. So the plains and mountain states that never vote for us count while Virginia and Florida don't.

Not counting the Southern states is contemptible.

[Vote2016]

80. kick

[Vote2016]

81. why is Hillary losing so badly outside of the region where she and Bill rose to power?

[Tanuki]

86. Remind me again....did they "rise to power" in Massachusetts? Ohio? Nevada?

Iowa? Samoa? Northern Marianas? etc.

[Attorney in Texas]

92. Hillary is running to the right of the Democratic base (except in the Deep South where even the

Democrats are less progressive like Hillary)

[treestar]

84. It's the number of delegates that matter, not the number of states

good grief.

[SidDithers]

85. In the Democratic primary, everyone's votes have equal value...

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because delegates are awarded proportionate to the vote count.

Your continued attempts to marginalize the votes of predominantly black Democrats in the southern states is fucking pitiful.

Edit: Oh, and 1229 to 933.

Sid

[Land of Enchantment]

87. Hello Attorney next door--would you like to borrow my maps?

I could not find any that accurately represented the closeness of the votes in states that were for all practical purposes, tied, so I made my own in photo shop. My map threads have not received a lot of comments but if you use them in your posts I think they will help prove your arguments.

Here ya go:

The MSM MAP



The Land of E Map

[forjusticethunders]

90. Bernie doesn't deserve his supporters

And his supporters don't deserve him.

This is what you're really saying when you want to write off southern primaries full of black people.

:large

[wyldwolf]

96. with proportional delegates, state lines are meaningless

[Vinca]

97. Hillary seems to be winning states that traditionally go Republican in the general election.

I assume people in the states Bernie is winning would vote for her, for the most part, if she is the nominee, but she should use the results in the traditionally Democratic states to decide whether to nosedive back to the right if she is the nominee. It's not necessarily a winning strategy.

[CajunBlazer]

100. You mean in New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey?

Where Hillary leads Bernie by an average of recent polls by 34.5 points, 27.5 points, and 31 points respectively.

[Vinca]

103. Bernie has hardly campaigned there at all.

To know Bernie is to love Bernie. In any case, I doubt most Democratic voters would be happy if Hillary follows through on her willingness to put limitations on abortion rights. Just one example of how she leans right.

[OhZone]

102. And yet he's still highly unlikely to win. Oh well.

Predictwise.com

[Cobalt Violet]

104. wow they really underestimated the degree to which he would win those states.

So glad he's sticking too it. He is going to win!