Bernie is still winning primaries so honest question.

[libtodeath]

Does the Democratic party really want to tell his supporters to get lost?

[jeff47]

1. No, they firmly believe "who else you gonna vote for?" still works.

Even after the massive failures of that strategy in 2010 and 2014.

[libtodeath]

5. Many will but the youth vote that was inspired by Bernie might just decide not now not ever.

[JPnoodleman]

66. Its a real possibility for the DNC to piss away its ties with the youth vote.

Months, or years ago, there was much chortling about how us young were so left wing, the Democratic Party would soon dominate politics because of this demographic time bomb. But nothing shifts a group like disaffection.

1) We are virtually unreachable by conventional old media as we cut the cord on cable tv and largely don't read print papers.

2) We are unlikely to marry or have kids so traditional systems of stabilizing a population or creating a more conservative population is unlikely, though our love of radical solutions is likely to grow.

3) With no jobs, or poor jobs, and no debt forgiveness we will likely simply become bitter about the system and vote for very fringe candidates. Ron Paul might not have stood a chance, or Trump but in the future this will become more popular.

[daleanime]

48. +1

[Depaysement]

2. They hate his supporters

But they need their votes.

[Cobalt Violet]

38. yup, so obvious

Got that message loud and clear.

[DavidDvorkin]

3. He's winning caucuses

Primaries are much more like the actual election.

Putting that aside, why do you say that the party is telling his supporters to get lost?

[libtodeath]

6. Read some posts here by Clinton supporters.

[DavidDvorkin]

9. I'm a Clinton supporter

I certainly don't want Sanders voters to get lost. I want them to see the light!

If some are saying that, then shame on them. But they aren't the party. They're not even the majority of Clinton supporters, as far as I can tell.

[quantumjunkie]

16. Clinton works for special interests not for the people

That's the reality of it. How can you inspire his massive # of supporters to come out to vote for her when they know she will do nothing to support them -- the record doesnt lie. Have a read: http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/

[marions ghost]

29. That is a really comprehensive article about the Clinton's activities

Excerpt--

"The record of the Clinton System raises deep questions about whether a Hillary Clinton presidency would take on the growing political influence of large corporate interests and Wall Street banks. The next president will need to address critical economic and social issues, including the stagnating incomes of the middle class, the tax loopholes that allow hedge-funders and other members of the super-rich to be taxed at lower rates than many average Americans, and the runaway costs of higher education. Above all is the question of further reform of Wall Street and the banking system to prevent a recurrence of the behavior that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-2008.

So far, Hillary Clinton has refused to commit herself to a reintroduction of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, which Bill Clinton allowed to be repealed in 1999 on the advice of Democrats with close ties to Wall Street, including Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. The reintroduction of Glass-Steagall, favored by Bernie Sanders, would prevent banks from speculating in financial derivatives, a leading cause of the 2007-2008 crash. With leading Wall Street banks so prominent in the Clintons’ fundraising streams, can Hillary Clinton be relied upon to reform the banks beyond the modest achievements of the Dodd-Frank bill of 2010?"

January 30, 2016, 10:00 am

[djean111]

30. I wouldn't call switching support to a candidate who is fond of war and fracking and the TPP,

amongst other things I hate, "seeing the light" - for me, it would be crossing over to the dark side.

[libtodeath]

41. Thank you

[Cobalt Violet]

43. I'd need a lot of Kool-aid to do that to.

I just don't know how I can.

[daleanime]

50. +1

[Sparky 1]

58. Well said!

It will be very difficult to vote for Hillary. I'm hoping we won't have to.

[MADem]

19. So DU is full of party leadership?

I don't think so.

I think DU is full of people who have time on their hands to discuss politics on the internet. Let's not act like this is a hotbed of action--this is a hotbed of reasonably bright people who are often congenial, sometimes obstreperous, and certainly partisan. But they aren't party leaders. And most of us? We're on the sidelines. We may have been players in our youth, those of us who have a little snow on the roof... and those of us who are young are hoping to be players in future, but we're not at the center of the action, here.

How do I know?

Because people at the center of the action don't have time to fart around on message boards~!

[riderinthestorm]

52. I DU while I canvass for Bernie.

Smart phones mean I can do both.

[MADem]

53. You're a rarity--and c'mon, you know that.

I "DU" while I'm driving old folks to the doctor, or the polls, too--but it ain't the same as being a PLAYER, and being in the thick of the process. I no longer scamper up the Hill steps with a package of point papers for Congressional testimony--those days are long gone (and good--I'm too old for that shit).

We've got plenty of couch potatoes and Barcolounger Warriors here, and on occasion, I resemble that remark!

[RANGERMAN89]

17. Last Clinton supporter i talked to told me i was supporting

A blood thirsty socialist hell bent on destroying democracy so I really don't expect them to really want us to vote for her knowing how I am a enemy of democracy apparently.

[MADem]

20. And that must mean THEY ALL FEEL THAT WAY!!!!!!!!!

Come on--even the mean comments I've received here from a few Sanders supporters doesn't make me believe that they're ALL that way.

That's just silly, to "broad brush" in that fashion.

[RANGERMAN89]

25. Well i was banned for defending him against that logic

So maybe just the moderators of the Hillary group think that.

[monicaangela]

34. Maybe?

I think you got it right the first time RANGERMAN89.

[MADem]

55. If you were "banned" you wouldn't be here.

If the Clinton group banned you, you must have said something non-supportive of the group's goals.

Hey, I got banned from the Sanders group for posting a link to his POTUS announcement. It was a "pre-emptive" banning, I was told, because Sanders wasn't my first choice.

[RANGERMAN89]

62. Don't really care for the groups it's good for spreading the word

But people who use the "ban hammer" for me calling out the pathetic logic of socialist = enemy that is the same as Trump with Muslim = enemy logic but one is apparently defended by democrats. Hmmmm..I wonder which lie benefits Hillary?

[MADem]

63. If you don't care for the groups you shouldn't concern yourself with them, then.

Use the main forums to talk about Donald Trump, etc.

And don't broad brush. It never ends well.

[RANGERMAN89]

64. Well if I saw more Hillary supporters call them out on it..

Maybe I would know who that brush actually touches.

[cui bono]

56. Rush Limbaugh supports Hillary???

.

[cui bono]

24. Well, prmaries are easier to 'control'. n/t

[monicaangela]

39. That's right

voter suppression, rigged voting machines, and any number of things can happen during a primary. Much harder to change a vote when the person is standing their telling you who they voted for and holding up their hand to be counted for that person.

[JonLeibowitz]

60. Here's why we know the party want to tell his supporters to get lost

In particular, the Clinton forces have been careful not to be seen as pushing Sanders to quit the race. A group of pro-Clinton senators recently considered writing an open letter to Sanders saying the time had come for him to end his campaign. But when two Clinton allies, Sens. Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) and Barbara A. Mikulski (Md.), caught wind of the idea, they persuaded their colleagues to nix it, according to two people familiar with the letter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-sharpens-attacks-for-ny-showdown-that-may-dash-clintons-unity-hopes/2016/03/26/79d69b7a-f297-11e5-85a6-2132cf446d0a_story.html

[ljm2002]

65. You ask, "why do you say that the party...

...is telling his supporters to get lost?"

We have at least one post on DU suggesting exactly that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511583427

Should Clinton pivot to the middle for the GE? She's never going to attract the BernieOrBust'ers.

Instead of wasting her time and energy reaching out to the BernieOrBust supporters, maybe she should write them off and go after the moderates? Those who are grounded in reality and maths, and understand that getting somebody to pay for your free college and health care is NEVER EVER going to happen?

I bolded the part where he suggests writing us off, but what follows is also deeply insulting. And I am not a "bro" nor a millenial, already got my education, and already have Medicare -- so no I am not taking it personally.

BTW this is not a callout, it is merely pointing to an example as requested by the post I am replying to.

[DavidDvorkin]

68. That's not telling them to get lost

It's recognizing that it may not be possible to win them over.

[Onlooker]

4. Some apparently do

.... but they're the ones who want Hillary to win by going towards the middle. If Sanders sticks around, win or lose, the Democratic Party will have to move to the left. He needs to stay in until he's quite sure he can't win, at which point he should use the anxiety in the Hillary campaign to negotiate the best deal he can.

[riderinthestorm]

7. There's a substantial number here who say that.

In RL?

Who knows but many believe she can win without any Sanders supporters.

[libtodeath]

10. Even with some polls showing her losing to cruz?

He should not be polling above 25% against her.

[riderinthestorm]

18. Yup. Its all over here on DU.

I'm a big fan of Sanders and have done quite a lot of volunteer work for him so everyone knows my position in RL.

That means I haven't met anyone in RL willing to have this convo in person.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Ultimately yes, you are part of the reviled left

this election... they still need you.

Cynical <---------

[libtodeath]

13. What does history show happens with that attitude though?

1980 and 2004 comes to mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Actually this year is closer to 1824

both parties are splitting

[libtodeath]

21. Their party is splitting between two insane people

I should be happy for that if ours was not moving towards what their party was before that element took over.
It was just as evil.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. In the real world the Ds are going to absorb the business faction

and become the party of business. So we will have a single dominant party until a LW party rises. Realignments can be fun.

At one time I almost expected the Rs to go back to their roots, but I also predicted them going away. So them going away is not shocking.

[libtodeath]

26. What may rise in that wake is scary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Well Jacksonian democracy had it's really bad sides too

[libtodeath]

31. True and has a direct lineage to the hate trump spews.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Yup

I expect if not trump, another strong man, brutally honest. And god knows I have spent way too much quality time with trumpism

[libtodeath]

36. Charismatic and without his offensiveness.

There are people watching and learning,it wont be good.

[MADem]

11. Who is saying that?

Not me.

Let him keep on keeping on, for as long as he wants.

[marions ghost]

12. They just assume

Bernie supporters will switch to Hillary when the time comes and all will be well. They don't bother with kumbaya. They don't have to, so they think.

[LibDemAlways]

23. Rather a big assumption. I don't see Bernie

enthusiastically supporting a platform that doesn't make accommodations for his core principles. Nor should he. Bernie's supporters can make their own choices, but if Hillary thinks they will march over to her side en masse without reservations, she's in for a rude awakening.

[marions ghost]

46. I agree

--but I think Hillary supporters don't really understand the yuge support for Bernie. They think it's all a flash in the pan, and they can just trash Bernie's positions and that's the end of it.

Underestimating.

[Odin2005]

15. They think they can win on Wall Street money and identity politics.

We working class shmucks can eat shit and die all they care.

[LibDemAlways]

28. That's been the case far too long. Bernie's

support is a direct result of people being fucked over up down and sideways for years. The last thing they want is a politician who promises more of the same.

[libtodeath]

33. With an obvious smirk attached.

[litlbilly]

61. I get the feeling Hillary is broke and has to do those big money fund raisers. I dont think she

will get what she needs. I heard she couldn't pay her staff since she cant use pac money for that. Very interesting no one is talking about this. That might be the reason she spent no money in Washington, she didn't have it to spend IMO.

[Zira]

69. Good points!

The media did report she was broke a few weeks ago.

[Trust Buster]

35. He's not winning primaries. He's winning small caucuses that he floôds with young voters

who think that their responsibilities will be Bourne on the backs of others.

[libtodeath]

37. Thanks for the rw meme.

[Trust Buster]

42. It's the sad truth.

[libtodeath]

45. More no we cant and you just want free stuff bs.

[Trust Buster]

47. If the shoe fits.

[libtodeath]

49. Just wow

[jeff47]

51. Michigan says "Hi", and reminds you that it exists. (nt)

[NorthCarolina]

57. Democracy is much harder to steal in a caucus State, I'm actually pretty glad

we have them now that we can see the full extent of the establishment power to wreak havoc on state primaries when the need arises; especially closed primary states.

[strategery blunder]

59. WA is the 13th most populous state in the Union

Not exactly a "small" caucus. If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), it'd actually be the largest caucus in the US.

We also tried to go to primaries, but the state Democratic Party sued to overturn that (passed) voter initiative, won in court, and reinstated the caucuses. Thanks party bosses!

The Rs, meanwhile, respected the voter-mandated implementation of the primaries, and as much as this makes me want to hurl, can make a valid claim (at the state level) to be more democratic than the Democrats.

Educating ignorant people who bash our state, which has proudly voted for every Democratic presidential nominee since and including 1988, is fun!

[ljm2002]

67. Oh the horror...

...he's flooding the caucuses with young voters! You say that like it's a bad thing...

And of course the rest of your post is nothing but another poke at Bernie's supporters, perfectly illustrating the attitude of so, so many Hillary supporters here. Not to mention the right wing framing.

Boo, hiss!!!

[Lil Missy]

40. Do you have any credible or official information from The Democratic Party indicating thus?

I've not heard any such thing.

If you are referring to something you've seen here, this is a message board. DU has no resemblance to real life.

[libtodeath]

44. So what do you think the party that has done all it could to coronate Hillary should do?

[Lil Missy]

54. another false premise. She's winning because she is getting more votes from the people.

People who support Hillary are also eligible to have opinions and vote. She has also earned those votes. You don't have to agree with them to make their opinions or votes credible; you are free to disagree, but you can't "disappear" them. Suggesting she is being unfairly chosen is disingenuous and tantamount to behaving like a sore loser. It's not reality.

The reality is - Sanders supporters are not the arbiters of what constitutes "qualifications" for POTUS or what defines a person as a true "Democrat". That's nothing more than a fantasy perpetrated here on DU.

I think I can speak for others when I say I also like Bernie - especially his domestic policies. I think his presence has now and will in the future have an effect on Democratic Politics. So will the rise of tRrump, but that's another can of worms entirely. Bernie has a positive effect -tRump has a negative and dangerous effect.