2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary barely viable in Alaska, pretty pathetic.
She thinks she can coast to nomination and ignore half the country since she ran up a lead. Now she is getting her ass kicked.
WA and AK ass kickings are looking even worse than ID and UT.
This kind of hubris and sense of enetitlement is not what we need in the GE.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I think it was a mistake regardless.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)MadBadger
(24,089 posts)And the diehards come out in caucus country. Also, he gets great support from independents. Democrats by and large are not rejecting her. She does very well with them. I'd feel confident of a Hillary victory in just about every single closed primary.
What's his excuse?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)who are more attuned to social media and the internet.
Much depends on one's information sources.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)
Alabama rally

Texas rally

Louisiana
I won't bother to go post others, just want to make a reasonable point
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Only 20-30 people in foyers.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Why isn't she having big rallies of thousands like Bernie?
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)They are nice optics and fun to attend though.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)2016
The outpouring may be spontaneous but the huge venues are carefully chosen, and don't come cheap.
By Daniel Strauss
03/25/16 05:45 PM EDT
Politico
Bernie Sanders revolution may be growing directly from the grass roots, but hes paying top dollar for the places where its coming together.
In February, the Sanders campaign, flush with cash from its small-donor network, spent $1.6 million on site rentals, ticketing and sound/stage/lighting, pursuing ever-larger venues for his followers to gather in, according to Federal Election Commission filings.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-rallies-money-221201#ixzz447lFYRkQ
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Exactly!
amborin
(16,631 posts)out of sight; is she up to this?
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Response to amborin (Reply #4)
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Baobab
(4,667 posts)She's the candidate not just of preserving the status quo, she's the candidate of the trade deals.
There is no way to spin them as positive or of her position, she is not thinking about maybe not signing them, she will sign them. Her husband gave the frigging keynote speech for the WTO in 1999. He signed GATS which is the model for TISA and which basically totally limits our choices on health care and education and attempts to - like its predecessor, privatize public services everywhere that joins it. These facts, although successfully hidden here are no longer not known by practically anybody, they are emerging, and its a potential huge thing. There is no way she can discuss trade without either lying or supporting these things which are really horrible for the whole worlds future.
So she likely is being extremely careful about who she sees because unscripted questions will force her to act funny, she has no way to answer a great many questions without exposing her many issues. Thats also why we should think long and hard about the wisdom of voting for her - it will be seen as a referendum on the WTO and its so called "progressive liberalisation" which is bad news for US workers and the world.
For example, joining the WTO India recently was forced to give up its Constitutional right to education. Is that the global image the US wants to project, forcing countries to give up rights to public education so they dont threaten commercialization of education so that only wealthy people can go to college.
This is insane.
senz
(11,945 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)can be slashed/dismantled for profit is the only thing that counts. We've already seen it with the very poorest of the poor in nations unable to fight off global corporation and IMF rule and their austerity that harms/starves/kills off the most vulnerable - these new trade agreements are going to make sure nations involved with the same inability to battle the ISDS and other lawsuits will lose their social programs and every other safety net. It should make everyone who cares about humanity see red.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I don't even want to say it.
Think about Helsinki and Nuremberg
polly7
(20,582 posts)the expense of those who have the least - then, the rest of us.
senz
(11,945 posts)We cannot let this happen to the world.
The corporatists who are trying to take over the world by weakening sovereign, democratically elected governments through trade agreements so they can no longer protect their people from economic predation, AND the neocons who want to subdue other countries militarily, are BOTH like a cancer on the human race. They will destroy the rights of people all over the globe and prevent them from standing up for their own interests. When people have no options to control and improve their own existence, they fall back on terrorist tactics. It's all they have recourse to.
It will be living hell for all but the very top tier and can only be maintained through force.
Hillary has shown that she is both a dedicated corporatist and a neocon. She is extremely bad news.
We and the rest of the world need a Bernie Sanders presidency because he has the courage to oppose what they're doing.
polly7
(20,582 posts)read about this it will be illuminating..
you can select by domains in Goggle by using the 'site:" operator So try going to Goggle - - in the search string, please reverse the order of the letters in capitalised phrases plugging in (without quotes) "site:.in STAG OTW education"
polly7
(20,582 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)extemporaneously on any issue lest she either seem robotic or divulge her real positions.
Yes, she's totally free trade deals! She was a leading champion of the TPP and the Atlantic deal is even worse.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)what they are doing is beyond the pale
Do you know what "progressive liberalisation" is?
I guarantee you we wont be able to have an intelligent conversation about this. Bug chunks of what I write vanish.
BTW, journalists are looking into this kind of stuff. I'm not the only person this is happening to.
can you see this? (Fix it)
htt p://siteresources.world bank.org/INTRA NETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf
Around pages 27-28
senz
(11,945 posts)They do excellent investigative reporting. They might be receptive. Lee Fang, one of their journalists, is pretty courageous.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)They even discussed it extensively in the media in India.
(the commodification of education)
Its being hid here because of the pending T I S A and also because it could lead to a lot of job loss, much lower wages,etc. maybe a whole generation never getting good jobs.
Also, because the whole health care debate/"crisis" was/is fake.
senz
(11,945 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)badly some just want to ensure theirs.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)And Hillary is likely to be seen as a referendum on something huge thats not good for us that we have never been told about.
See:
http://www.tilj.org/content/journal/42/num1/Worster55.pdf (this has only really just begun, its going to become much larger)
this is what may happen to us on health care
http://www.italaw.com/sites/default/files/case-documents/italaw3207.pdf
these are terms to search on
"movement of natural persons"
"disciplines on domestic regulation"
"not more burdensome than necessary to ensure the quality of the service"
"fourth mode of supply"
senz
(11,945 posts)It's information that needs to be out there.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)She is probably celebrating Easter with her family.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Caucuses tend to produce more lopsided results because they are about maneuvering.
You all keep talking about entitlement, but Clinton isn't the one who proposed trying to get PLEDGED delegates to go against voter will.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)Beacool
(30,500 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I can finally realize that the country is actually ready for him. It was my hope that he would be understood, and popular. But I had doubts. Even swimming against the establishment stream, the people can see his great value.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)You can see it in him.
I'm getting goose bumps.
Tarc
(10,595 posts)Roast some marshmallows on that Pyrrhic Victory Bonfire...
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)And...with 93% in, Sanders is up by, oh, 45 points.
I'll bring some more marshmallows for the Bona Fide Bernie Blowout Bonfire
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)You would know that. AK is not deep red. Keep up.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)I was actually trying to show unity with Alaskans by adding my state's results (they were pretty similar)
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Tarc
(10,595 posts)Which we're near the end of, so, it's gonna be a bit of a bumpy ride for Camp Sanders from here on out.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)and that the WA state Democratic Party sued to overturn the vote and return to caucuses.
Please stop with the nonsense that caucus states don't count. Especially when the voters passed a binding initiative to go to primaries (irony of ironies: state Republicans respected that vote and simply use the state primary to determine who gets their delegates) and the Democratic party machine used the courts to overturn the expressed will of the voters.
Washingtonians love their vote by mail. Believe me when I say we caucused because it was caucus or bust, not because we actually wanted to.
Hell I wouldn't be surprised if part of today's result was influenced by a desire to say FU to the state party leaders, who have mostly endorsed Hillary....Bernie up by 45 points is a pretty damn big slap in the face to that.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)with such brilliant analysis as, he will be done if he loses Iowa, He will be gone by super Tuesday, He will be gone after March 15th, he will only win his home state, I am glad you added another prediction. Shills for Hill, seem to be about as accurate as Dewey defeats Truman.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tarc
(10,595 posts)Sanders people always say red states don't matter, right?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)The way you used it makes me think you don't.
Tarc
(10,595 posts)In the end, Sanders wins small battles but will lose the overall war.
So, go give an English lecture to someone else who needs it.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)We've had far different experiences with Alaskans, but don't let that stop you from erasing the liberals in that state, be my guest.
Dem2
(8,178 posts)It's definitely not Clinton country. Lol.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... so I guess Bernie's pathetic, too. But, then again, black states don't matter, right?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)What the fuck. That is some offensive shit.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... that Hillary winning the southern states doesn't matter. Perhaps you condemned those, though I doubt it. One thing about the Sanders campaign, it's sort of embarrassing that a group identifying itself as progressive has relatively little support among the most oppressed.
At any rate, calling Hillary's lack of support in Alaska pathetic I suppose makes Sanders support in the southern states pathetic too, eh?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And if you read my post, it is her strategy that is pathetic. Coasting on hubris serves no one, especially not dems in the fall.
The "inevitable" front runner losing contests this late by such ass whooping margins is just bad and makes me question her team's strategy for the fall.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)I'm a Bernie supporter who really dislikes a lot of Bernie supporters. I find there's an element of sexism and racism among too many of them that is preventing him from forming any kind of a truly progressive movement, and I have trouble being enthusiastic about him given that blacks, gays, Latinos, and feminists back Hillary.
senz
(11,945 posts)I believe it is a dirty lie for the purpose of making PoC distrust the only candidate who has advocated for PoC his entire life.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... there are live threads now that discount her victories in the south, there have been threads in the past that suggested that her black supporters are uninformed, and there are threads that have referred to her "cackling" and other such sexist remarks. I'm sure I could find examples, but obviously where you're coming from I doubt any amount of proof would move you.
Actually, he really didn't advocate for people of color his entire life. Most of his life was spent living in a state that's only 1% black, so other than a few votes and statements, he really wasn't involved. His active civil rights work ended about 50 years ago. Through no fault of his own, once he moved to Vermont he never had to confront racially charged issues especially with a racially unfriendly constituency. That's why he's not getting much support among civil rights leaders.
senz
(11,945 posts)For some reason, you're trying to convince PoC that Bernie is their enemy, but the opposite is true.
As for Bernie living in Vermont, he spent his entire life working in D.C. on national issues. There are tons of videos of Bernie speaking out on issues that would harm the most vulnerable, the poor and people of color. HE CARES. Genuinely cares -- not just for the primaries.
But you know that; you just won't admit it. Your specialty is twisting things around to seem what they're not.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It seems like everyone is forgetting how aggressive pumas were in 2008. When Obama stepped on to the scene the knives came out. Then he started pulling the black vote, which the Clinton's worked so hard to secure, along with the supers and her supporter's lost their minds(pumas).
Personally I think 2008 was much worse.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm tired of that shit.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)little support among the most oppressed."
Now ain't that just a bit odd?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)"Clinton won the Confederacy" "Red states don't count" and all sorts of other notions have been dismissive of the black vote. Most of the black vote is concentrated in the South. It is indeed offensive, but that doesn't stop certain people from posting it.
senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie has advocated for and defended the rights of PoC and other minorities his entire life.
Hillary doesn't even come close.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)exactly the kind of racial divisiveness we can always expect from a Hillary Clinton campaign.
senz
(11,945 posts)There must be a race-sensitive contest coming up or perhaps they think they can still influence Hawaii.
Whichever it is, it's a dirty thing to do and they should be called out on it.
Beacool
(30,500 posts)Hillary's sweep of the South was treated with derision on this site by quite a few of Sanders' supporters. The tone deafness and outright whistle blowing became howls. It varied from condescending remarks about AA having "Stockholm Syndrome" to comments about Hillary winning in "Confederate" states that no Democrat will win in the GE and apparently shouldn't count as a win. Of course Sanders winning in Western states that are red does count to some.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
mythology
(9,527 posts)You claim that Clinton is just coasting to victory and ignoring half the country. But Sanders didn't mount any effective campaign in southern states.
Well Sanders ignored that half of the country which in the Democratic primaries is primarily made up of black voters. So based on your original post that it's pathetic to ignore half of the country, we can logically assume that it's pathetic that Sanders ignored the half of the country that has higher proportions of black voters. Yeah it's offensive, but it's the fundamental underlying logic of your argument, even if you are unwilling to admit it to yourself.
We don't need a candidate who has the hubris and sense of entitlement (I'll even spell it correctly) that thinks he can ignore black voters and women voters and Hispanic voters given how Sanders is doing with those fundamental blocks of the Democratic base.
But also Clinton isn't ignoring half of the country. She is focusing on a delegate and popular vote strategy, which you may notice has her substantially ahead in both with states favorable to Clinton like California, New Jersey, Maryland and New York yet to come.
desmiller
(747 posts)NAUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!!
GreatGazoo
(4,434 posts)trying to hang on until the Convention.
Clinton is losing this thing. I'm not saying she can't get the nomination but she likely lost in Iowa and her victories have been closer than her losses. The 80 / 20 splits in UT, ID, AK, and WA have this thing moving away from her.
The bird thing on Friday got lots of play and got Sanders back on the radar just in time for everyone in the country to see him completely smoke Clinton in 2 more states.
bigtree
(93,320 posts)...not much of a 50-state strategy to dismiss the overwhelming support from blacks and Latinos in those states.
Sanders has lost every state with minority populations over 20%, except MI where he lost minorities 30-70.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's not nice.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)But really horribly for African-Americans.
Modes of Supply for International Services
14.1. A key initiative of the international community in response to the rapid
expansion of international trade and investment was the creation in 1995 of the
World Trade Organization (WTO) following the Uruguay Round of multilateral
trade negotiations. The WTO provides a common framework for the conduct of
trade relations among its members. Its main functions are facilitating the imple-
mentation, administration, and operation of the multilateral trade agreements;
providing a forum for further negotiations; reviewing national trade policies; and
securing solutions to trade disputes.
14.2. The three principal WTO agreements are the General Agreement on Tar-
iffs and Trade of 1994, the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS), and
the Agreement on Trade-related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights. GATS
constitutes the first set of legally enforceable disciplines and rules at the multilat-
eral level established to cover international trade in services. GATS defines the
supply of a service to include the production, distribution, marketing, sale, and
delivery of that service.
14.3. While international trade in services primarily occurs through the chan-
nel of cross-border transactions, often facilitated by electronic communications
networks, the supply of many services is possible only through the simultaneous
physical presence of both producer and consumer. As a result, in order for trans-
actions to be commercially meaningful, trade commitments must frequently ex-
tend to cross-border movements of the consumer, the establishment of a
commercial presence within a market, or the temporary movement of the indi-
vidual service provider.
14.4. GATS defines trade in services in terms of four modes of supply. The def-
inition of services trade under GATS depends on the territorial presence and resi-
dence of the supplier and the consumer at the time of the transaction. The four
modes include (1) cross-border supply, (2) consumption abroad, (3) commercial
presence, and (4) presence of natural persons. This definition is broader than the
balance of payments (BOP) concept of services trade, which is concerned only
with transactions between residents of a given country and nonresidents encom-
passing modes 1, 2, and 4. While the BOP focuses on residence rather than na-
tionality, certain transactions falling under the GATS, in particular in the case of
mode 3, typically involve only residents of the country concerned.
14.5. The four GATS modes of supply are defined as follows:
14.6. Cross-border supply (mode 1) covers services flows from the territory of
one country into the territory of another country (e.g., banking or architectural
services transmitted via telecommunications or mail).
14.7. Consumption abroad (mode 2) refers to situations where a service con-
sumer (e.g., tourist or patient) moves into another countrys territory to obtain a
service.
14.8. Commercial presence (mode 3) implies that a service supplier of one
country establishes a territorial presence, including through ownership or lease
of premises, in another country's territory to provide a service (e.g., domestic
subsidiaries of foreign insurance companies or hotel chains).
14.9. Presence of natural persons (mode 4) consists of persons of one country
entering the territory of another country to supply a service (e.g., accountants,
doctors or teachers). This mode includes self-employed persons and employees
on temporary assignment (intra-corporate transferees). The terminology natural
persons is used to differentiate between individuals and the generic use of per-
sons, which covers individuals, branches, partnerships, associated groups, asso-
ciations, estates, trusts, government agencies, and others.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Northern black were supposed to be so much smarter than those in the South that voted for Hillary. His supporters calling states that voted for Hillary "The Confederacy", and claimed the voters there had Stockholm syndrome and a "Master/slave mentality".. Your statistics is another example. Yet we are the ones sowing racial discord, who are "race baiting" and are being racist? We are the ones that are twisting things, apparently.
I'm glad I don't see the world the way they do - I prefer reality.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)then elected her governor
senz
(11,945 posts)or maybe not.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We did. Very rural here too. I live downtown and it feels quaint compared to LA where I came from.
840high
(17,196 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's horrible to read. I wish they'd say something positive about their candidate instead. By which I mean, something about her personal qualities and achievements, not just dumb stuff like, "Uhh she's still got more delegates."
Surely they can find something nice to say about her.
840high
(17,196 posts)many times why they will vote for Hillary. Usually crickets 99% of the time.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....policies now that the mask has slipped.
Beacool
(30,500 posts)Hillary will win the nomination for the simple reason that more people are voting for her. No one is a queen or king, this is a democracy.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Beacool
(30,500 posts)Polls show the contrary.
basselope
(2,565 posts)she can't win
Beacool
(30,500 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)You can look up history and discover that polls taken this far out of an election have absolutely no correlation with who wins the election.
It's also a fact that Hillary can't win.
You know it, I know it. Everyone knows it. Some just want to deny it out of some misplaced allegiance.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)No matter how many scoldings are issued. She is a terrible candidate...period.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Austin Texas has more people than Alaska. Land mass doesn't equal people.
Texasgal
(17,235 posts)Not that it really matters but he did win in Travis County...
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And one of the campaigns has been consistently ignoring us, and our concerns.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Campaigns don't spend money and time where they are certain they won't win. Bernie did that in southern states, too.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hmmm, I wonder if there's a connection, there.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Chomping at the bit for June 7.
It is looking more and more that both the Democratic and Republcian campaigns will be decided in California.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)StevieM
(10,577 posts)They strongly favor a different kind of candidate.
She doesn't think she can coast to the nomination and isn't ignoring half the country. She is campaigning hard in New York and Wisconsin.
It is amazing to me that you can't just be happy that Bernie had a good night. You have to see some kind of evidence of unethical behavior here.
Clinton also closed strong in 2008 after Obama had run up the lead.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)she continues to lose so badly.
Concern for what that would translate into an GE.
As for not just being happy, I can multitask. I am very happy for a great night.
StevieM
(10,577 posts)I don't see this as being bad strategy--just a butt kicking in caucus states that were never Hillary's strong suit.
I expect her to do better in New York and Wisconsin.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Bernie might have won by a bigger margin.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It seems like Alaskans, at least the ones who are fired up enough to caucus, are not in love with Hillary Clinton. She lost to Obama in 2008 by a margin of 75-25, and now this, an even bigger gap. I can't see her ever winning a general election here.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts).... of their time talking about Clinton?
No wonder the media doesn't talk about him. His supporters don't really talk about him either.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The 20th century is over, and the entire Democratic Party had better stop campaigning as if 1999 never ended.
Henhouse
(646 posts)Alaska: 16 delegates
Clinton hasnt spent much time or energy in Alaska, and the Sanders campaign is hoping to pounce on what the Democratic frontrunner left for the taking.
The state is fertile ground for a Sanders: its a majority white caucus state with an anti-establishment flavor. The state also went for Obama over Clinton in 2008, and the Sanders campaign has spent $61,000 on TV and radio advertising in March while Clinton has not spent any money.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-alaska-hawaii-washington-221239#ixzz447mTyyMH
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why are you dismissing Alaska's diverse population?
Zira
(1,054 posts)I'm starting to get the idea a whole lot of her supporters did.
Do you know that you pretty much cancelled your intent when you pointed out it's all white and went for Obama in 2008?
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Don't project.
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)your post says it all. I'm voting for Hillary for many reasons I don't have to bash Bernie. When she wins I'm happy and I dont have to bash Bernie.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)blueintelligentsia
(507 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Both sides can play this game.