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Bernie ahead in predictive CA poll by 14%? (Original Post) grasswire Mar 2016 OP
This doesn't seem very reputable. How are they predicting states like NC? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #1
don't know anything about them. grasswire Mar 2016 #2
NA = Northern California RunInCircles Mar 2016 #23
I'd be surprised. TDale313 Mar 2016 #3
I live in CA. I wouldn't be surprised, but.... highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #4
Sounds right Lordquinton Mar 2016 #5
This predictor predicts a net gain of 70 delegates for Sanders in CA. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #6
I think he can win PA. Barack_America Mar 2016 #12
Doubtful Trenzalore Mar 2016 #14
We'll see. I did a lot of campaigning for an insurgent within that machine... Barack_America Mar 2016 #15
There are a couple things that will go against Bernie Trenzalore Mar 2016 #16
Obama was a loser than Trenzalore Mar 2016 #13
Yatta!!! Yokatta ne yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #7
Gov. Brown and Bill Clinton Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #8
"of course not" reddread Mar 2016 #17
I fully expect Bernie to sweep the entire west coast. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #9
I dont think Hillary will make it to the convention reddread Mar 2016 #18
I'd like to believe this, but John Poet Mar 2016 #10
I think his wins in west so far Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #11
5 to 1 in conservative states reddread Mar 2016 #19
From the person who brought you: "10 reasons why Sanders should run as an Independent" brooklynite Mar 2016 #20
" If Sanders had won the 5 indicted States would have, today, 100 delegates more. sufrommich Mar 2016 #21
I don't know what indicted states are, but Sanders isn't being indicted. Wrong candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #22

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
1. This doesn't seem very reputable. How are they predicting states like NC?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:43 AM
Mar 2016

The results ended up far different.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
4. I live in CA. I wouldn't be surprised, but....
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:52 AM
Mar 2016

We all need to keep working for this and better.

Also please please please check your registration or complete it now. Stories around of more shenanigans.

Go Bernie go! CA can definitely be Bernie country.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
5. Sounds right
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:27 AM
Mar 2016

Here in the east bay, in the wealthy areas of Moraga, Orinda and Lafayette I see Sanders signs and stickers, and rarely anything for Clinton. Can extrapolate that to the rest of my travels around CoCo County.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
6. This predictor predicts a net gain of 70 delegates for Sanders in CA.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:37 AM
Mar 2016

That would be good.

But there isn't a whole lot in the "about" section to inspire confidence in the predictor. Here's what it says:

Italian Psychologist and Political Scientist. Social Media Expert, Trends and Sentiment Analyzer, Memetica Expert, Frames Guru, Storyteller, Marketing and Communication, Musician, Rapper, Writer, Ghostwriter, and many more.


What just happened (Sanders blowouts in WA, Alaska and HI) brought her lead down by about 70 delegates. I can't remember exactly what it was. I'm thinking 300, but I think Idaho and Utah brought it under 300. So now it's hovering around 200+(?).

I think CA is going to be more difficult, partly because it is a semi-closed primary. Independents can't vote in it, unless they change their registration before the deadline of May 23. (Note: "Decline to state" voters can vote in it.) That's one problem. Another is I think the CA state party is very corporate-entrenched, and the Hollywood $$$ glitteratti is reflexive pro-Clinton. (I mean look what George Clooney just did! Yuck!) So it's up to the GRASS ROOTS!

It's not at all impossible that Sanders could win CA, but I think it will be closer than 14%. Sanders may net delegates over Clinton but not 70. More in the 20 to 40 range. PA and NY intervene before CA, if I recall correctly. A lot depends on what happens there, as this race narrows. He really needs a net gain in one of them, at least. If Wisconsin comes through this week, he will be in a better position going forward, both as to delegates and momentum. If her delegate lead gets down to 100 or under, this race becomes a toss-up.

And I think if she goes into the convention with a pledged delegate lead of only 200 or under, she is in big trouble and there will be a very big fight at the convention. The Sanders campaign will argue momentum and electability--because he IS, really and truly, more electable than she is. (Repeated national polls since Feb. show him trouncing Trump and all Republicans. She doesn't nearly match those numbers, and she loses to a couple of R's.) Independents, the largest political bloc in the country, loathe her.

But to back up a minute: If she can't beat down Sanders in NY and PA--say he ties or comes close in those states--she is even more unelectable. It means she has only a marginal base (as to a national election), strictly within the Dem party. He has much wider appeal.

This could influence CA voters.

Super-delegates could be swayed by these arguments. She's been running a lousy campaign, given her initial huge advantages. She should have knocked him out long ago, in theory--when you add in his huge DISadvantages, which have been incredible--and he's still in the game! If he stays within 200 delegates, she is arguably a loser, despite her lead.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
12. I think he can win PA.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:03 AM
Mar 2016

The PA "T" is no doubted lay going for him. And I think Philly is generally progressive enough to as well. The surrounding suburbs will be an issue. I think he has a very good shot in Pittsburgh as well.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
14. Doubtful
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:08 AM
Mar 2016

PA demographically is a state that Bernie will probably lose by 10 points. This is not factoring in the political machine that exists in PA for democratic turnout not being Pro-Bernie.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
15. We'll see. I did a lot of campaigning for an insurgent within that machine...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:25 AM
Mar 2016

...in 2008. The machine's influence in waning.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
16. There are a couple things that will go against Bernie
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:44 AM
Mar 2016

I was active in the PA primary in 2008 on Barack's side. Hillary beat us 55 to 45. At the time it was considered a "win" because by proportional delegates it didn't allow her to make up lost ground. Barack's team never thought they would outright win PA.

Here is what goes against Sanders

1) It is a closed primary and Bernie just put staff here. No big drives to change registration.
2) Clinton's have a long history here with many of the local democrats.
3) Demographically PA is an older state.
4) Philadelphia. Clinton will use street money. Bernie won't.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. Gov. Brown and Bill Clinton
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:09 AM
Mar 2016

Don't like each other. Jerry knows Bill's politics to a fault. So I'd be very surprised if he tilted to Hillary in anyway to give her any kudos.
That will help California for sure.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
17. "of course not"
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:50 AM
Mar 2016

Clinton's derisive response to an early debate question regarding Jerry Brown.
If I knew then, what I know now about Brown I would not have found it so offensive.
At the time it was just a rude and cutting remark.
I think Hillary and Jerry will have something in common.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
10. I'd like to believe this, but
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:46 AM
Mar 2016

this just looks like some blogger pulling a number out of their ass, to me.
They didn't even bother to write a paragraph to justify their prediction.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
11. I think his wins in west so far
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:56 AM
Mar 2016

have set the trend for his win in California

I really don't care for that site and most polls
but turnout is a clue to predictions and Bernie got that

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
21. " If Sanders had won the 5 indicted States would have, today, 100 delegates more.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:57 AM
Mar 2016

Apparently Bernie Sanders, his supporters and American Democracy, has been stoled and raped by the DNC and Clinton. "



Seems legit.

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