2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie ahead in predictive CA poll by 14%?
http://thepoliticalanalyzer.com/2016/03/25/sanders-is-ahead-by-14-in-california/JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)The results ended up far different.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's just the first thing I've seen on CA. Thus my question mark.
RunInCircles
(122 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)I think he can win here, but my impression was Hillary had a small lead (49 to 41?)
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)We all need to keep working for this and better.
Also please please please check your registration or complete it now. Stories around of more shenanigans.
Go Bernie go! CA can definitely be Bernie country.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Here in the east bay, in the wealthy areas of Moraga, Orinda and Lafayette I see Sanders signs and stickers, and rarely anything for Clinton. Can extrapolate that to the rest of my travels around CoCo County.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)That would be good.
But there isn't a whole lot in the "about" section to inspire confidence in the predictor. Here's what it says:
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What just happened (Sanders blowouts in WA, Alaska and HI) brought her lead down by about 70 delegates. I can't remember exactly what it was. I'm thinking 300, but I think Idaho and Utah brought it under 300. So now it's hovering around 200+(?).
I think CA is going to be more difficult, partly because it is a semi-closed primary. Independents can't vote in it, unless they change their registration before the deadline of May 23. (Note: "Decline to state" voters can vote in it.) That's one problem. Another is I think the CA state party is very corporate-entrenched, and the Hollywood $$$ glitteratti is reflexive pro-Clinton. (I mean look what George Clooney just did! Yuck!) So it's up to the GRASS ROOTS!
It's not at all impossible that Sanders could win CA, but I think it will be closer than 14%. Sanders may net delegates over Clinton but not 70. More in the 20 to 40 range. PA and NY intervene before CA, if I recall correctly. A lot depends on what happens there, as this race narrows. He really needs a net gain in one of them, at least. If Wisconsin comes through this week, he will be in a better position going forward, both as to delegates and momentum. If her delegate lead gets down to 100 or under, this race becomes a toss-up.
And I think if she goes into the convention with a pledged delegate lead of only 200 or under, she is in big trouble and there will be a very big fight at the convention. The Sanders campaign will argue momentum and electability--because he IS, really and truly, more electable than she is. (Repeated national polls since Feb. show him trouncing Trump and all Republicans. She doesn't nearly match those numbers, and she loses to a couple of R's.) Independents, the largest political bloc in the country, loathe her.
But to back up a minute: If she can't beat down Sanders in NY and PA--say he ties or comes close in those states--she is even more unelectable. It means she has only a marginal base (as to a national election), strictly within the Dem party. He has much wider appeal.
This could influence CA voters.
Super-delegates could be swayed by these arguments. She's been running a lousy campaign, given her initial huge advantages. She should have knocked him out long ago, in theory--when you add in his huge DISadvantages, which have been incredible--and he's still in the game! If he stays within 200 delegates, she is arguably a loser, despite her lead.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)The PA "T" is no doubted lay going for him. And I think Philly is generally progressive enough to as well. The surrounding suburbs will be an issue. I think he has a very good shot in Pittsburgh as well.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)PA demographically is a state that Bernie will probably lose by 10 points. This is not factoring in the political machine that exists in PA for democratic turnout not being Pro-Bernie.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...in 2008. The machine's influence in waning.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)I was active in the PA primary in 2008 on Barack's side. Hillary beat us 55 to 45. At the time it was considered a "win" because by proportional delegates it didn't allow her to make up lost ground. Barack's team never thought they would outright win PA.
Here is what goes against Sanders
1) It is a closed primary and Bernie just put staff here. No big drives to change registration.
2) Clinton's have a long history here with many of the local democrats.
3) Demographically PA is an older state.
4) Philadelphia. Clinton will use street money. Bernie won't.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Obama had less than a 200 pledged delegate lead going into the convention.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)やった。 よかった ですね
Go California! Go Bernie!
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Don't like each other. Jerry knows Bill's politics to a fault. So I'd be very surprised if he tilted to Hillary in anyway to give her any kudos.
That will help California for sure.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Clinton's derisive response to an early debate question regarding Jerry Brown.
If I knew then, what I know now about Brown I would not have found it so offensive.
At the time it was just a rude and cutting remark.
I think Hillary and Jerry will have something in common.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:54 AM - Edit history (1)
reddread
(6,896 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)this just looks like some blogger pulling a number out of their ass, to me.
They didn't even bother to write a paragraph to justify their prediction.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)have set the trend for his win in California
I really don't care for that site and most polls
but turnout is a clue to predictions and Bernie got that
reddread
(6,896 posts)she is done.
brooklynite
(94,534 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Apparently Bernie Sanders, his supporters and American Democracy, has been stoled and raped by the DNC and Clinton. "
Seems legit.