As a person new to voting and politics (due to cynicism), I find the vote-splainin' frustrating!

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

It is very rude and condescending to be told that the values and principles I based my vote on are selfish or that I am to blame for the outcome of an election if it ends up with candidates I have no desire to vote for.

It is NOT selfish to vote based on the values and principles you hold dear. And I think the Hillary supporters who harp on this attack should reconsider their actions because it turns off voters even more.

I think a candidate must earn people's votes, not having an R next to your name is not good enough.

So next time when you think about denigrating someone's vote consider what kind of damage you are causing to the general election.

[Trenzalore]

1. Childish Blackmail

Fine. If Hillary wins don't vote her. Don't use your threats of withholding your vote as a reason I should vote for your candidate over my candidate.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

2. I didn't threaten anyone to vote for my candidate...

I said plain and simple, votes have to be earned, they are not automatic (at least for me).

[malokvale77]

4. Childish advice indeed.

Take your own advice.

[Trenzalore]

5. I have never stated I wouldn't vote for the Democratic Nominee

I think Bernie would be ineffective as President but at least get the Supreme Court nominees right. I think Trump or Cruz would be a disaster.

[malokvale77]

9. I think...

Hillary would be just as disastrous on the issues that matter to me.

Where does that leave me? I'm not willing to follow the party down the road they're heading. I care too much to vote party over people.

[Trenzalore]

10. That's your choice

Your choice doesn't influence my choice.

Just because you are threatening to not vote for my candidate doesn't make me more likely to vote for yours.

[malokvale77]

13. I see you are in love with the word threatening.

In my world, people don't threaten, they just do.

[Trenzalore]

14. Scary

Again, I don't listen to people with guns to their own heads.

[malokvale77]

18. You seem to be...

the one pointing a gun to my head.

[Trenzalore]

19. At no point did I tell you how to vote

I said I don't give a shit what you do and I told you why I don't give a shit.

[pdsimdars]

23. So why do you keep harassing him? If you don't care and all.

Nothing shows you don't care as much as not leaving it alone. Really. Tell yourself that.

[Trenzalore]

28. They replied to my post

Not the other way around.

[unapatriciated]

26. You seem to have a fascination with threats and now guns.

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No one in this thread has told you who to vote for nor are they threatening not to vote in the GE.
We have primaries for a reason. It is so we might nominate the candidate that best represents our party's platform and what we dems have stood for since FDR. You are the one who jumped into this thread with anger and accusations.

We are not asking you to listen we are asking you to stop with the false rhetoric.

[Trenzalore]

29. I am sick of the drama

If you don't vote for my candidate I will do X with my vote. My response is oh well.

[HumanityExperiment]

30. "sick of the drama"...

really?

Your replies state otherwise...

[unapatriciated]

31. Where did anyone in this thread say what you have so

dramatically accused everyone of doing. You're a hoot.

[MisterP]

3. they've lost 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats, and are happy with 26% of the

electorate; they blast vitriol against policies that they adopt March of the following year, and blame us for election losses if we express disappointment while their lackeys jeer at the stoopid lefties

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

7. Wow! that really puts things into perspective...

I didn't know they lost so many state seats... What the hell is going on?

[MisterP]

15. it's a simple ratchet: at one end they have to run uninspiring drips

because a real principled liberal would annoy the donors; at the other end they're used to blaming the voters for absolutely anything--it was the voters, not Katherine Harris; it was the voters, not Joe Lieberman; it was the voters, not John Kerry; it was the voters, not DWS

[Hydra]

17. Party realignment

They are looking at taking over for the GOP, and in the interim they are sinking the progressives and others who are not part of the "club." You can see it happening here too.

At some point in the near future, the DWSs of our party will be the norm.

[VulgarPoet]

32. The Third Way is Orwell's Inner Party... Progressives need not apply without a moral lobotomy first.

eom

[Hydra]

33. Lol, almost correct

The Third Way are the attempting to be outer party- the ones who do the heavy lifting for the people in power and get some benefits from it. The Inner party are the people who pay them (or shoot them in the back of the head later) and who have the actual control.

In other words, they're a bunch of suckers. We know the Inner Party feeds off of the outer party as much as the do the Proles.

[pdsimdars]

25. What the hell is going on? DWS is in charge. Loser!

[pdsimdars]

24. Absolutely perfect. They are losers who just want to blame everyone else but themselves.

[nichomachus]

6. First thing you need to do

Is stop using the "______ 'splaining" idiom. It's just stupid and out of control.

It's was cute once. Not any more.

[HereSince1628]

8. It's a very liberal dilemma, what they need is help, but what does -is- mean? Really?

They have anxiety. They can't fix it with their vote, so THEY need you to fix it!

You see... they NEED A FIX!. Actually, they -MUST- have a fix.
'
They so worry, and they want a win. You know how it is to WANT what you think you may not get...

It just makes them WANT MORE. Really want More And MORE!

But they only have their own votes and those are sort of well, less filling and don't taste great.

So not satisfying...so they -MUST- have yours.

And if you don't cheerfully give it...then clearly -YOU- don't love them like a real democrat would.

[Onlooker]

11. I agree with you, but ...

... but you have to consider that there are some people who are genuinely afraid of a Trump victory. Here's a true story: A Muslim woman is riding the subway in Boston. Someone gets nervous (perhaps someone mentally ill) because the Muslim woman carries a large bag and literally screams for help. A few men go up to the Muslim woman and without her permission search her bag. It's such a bizarre, scary scene, no one does anything. That's a true story told to me by a friend of that woman. Both the person who told me the story and the victim are now both afraid to ride the train, even though they must every day to go to work. That is Trump's America. Now, if you fear Trump in that way, then anyone who does not help defeat Trump is living selfishly in the world of privilege or is a bigot. But, I do see your point -- you have to reach your decision on your own, without feeling forced into it. That's counterproductive.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

12. Your point is definitely valid...

I am part of the LGBTQ community and know very well the damage Repukes can cause. A discrimination law almost passed in my state, if not for the Governor vetoing it today.

The problem I feel is that if we don't stand up and demand (in the event Clinton is the nominee) that the Democratic party adopt at least some of Sanders platform and create some way to make people who don't trust Clinton to have any confidence it will mean anything then we will continue the march to the right.

That is why I am very happy that Sanders is staying in the race to the convention because he can force his demands into the party platform. What happens at the convention in the event of a Clinton nomination will have a big effect on my comfort level for voting for Clinton.

[Onlooker]

16. I agree

I'm 51% for Sanders, 49% for Clinton, and very much want Sanders to stay in so that he can extract concessions, especially in terms of giving progressives more influence in the Party. And that's great news about Georgia. What a surprise!

[pdsimdars]

21. I don't want Bernie to extract concessions, I want him to be President.

[unapatriciated]

27. Georgia or North Carolina?

used live in Marietta, now in Wilmington NC. both states passed ass backward laws. Getting read to move back to the west coast, Portland , Or


Hopefully NC will do the same as Georgia.

[pdsimdars]

22. Bernie beats Trump and EVERY other GOP candidate in head to head polls for months now

Hillary has been LOSING for months. . . now she is starting to win against a few of them but by MUCH SMALLER MARGINS than Bernie.

That "Bernie can't win" meme is a false talking point.

If people are really afraid of Trump winning then they should be campiagning for Bernie, the strongest candidate against him.

[pdsimdars]

20. Exactly right. . their vote shaming is what LOSERS do

If you candidate can't convince voters to vote for them because of their positions on issues, then you have no one to blame but yourself. And people who look for someone else to blame are losers who don't want to accept responsibility for themselves.

Say hello to Jimmy Carter down there.