The Problem With Clinton's Calls for Sanders to Adjust His Tone. This may backfire.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

http://fortune.com/2016/03/29/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-2/

The Problem With Clinton's Calls for Sanders to Adjust His Tone

On Sunday, Bernie Sanders challenged Hillary Clinton to debate in New York, her adopted home state and the state he was raised in, before the crucial primary there next month. The next day, Joel Benenson, Clinton’s chief political strategist, went on CNN and said that Clinton’s decision on a possible debate would depend on the “tone of the campaign” Sanders was running.

Statements like Benenson’s make it seem like Clinton and her supporters think she should be able to run for the Democratic nomination unchallenged.

We’ve seen this before, and it didn’t work well for Clinton. In 2008, Hillary Clinton was seen by many as the inevitable Democratic candidate. Many campaign watchers have argued this is why her team in Iowa wasn’t as sophisticated as Barack Obama’s, allowing Obama to win that state’s caucuses, which ultimately catapulted him to the nomination and the presidency.

Now, history seems to be repeating itself, at least partly. Clinton likely thought she’d have the nomination sewed up by now, if not much earlier in the primary race. She is clearly done debating with Sanders. But for one of Clinton’s main advisors to call out Sanders for his “tone” rings hollow. Sure, Sanders has been negative towards Clinton; he is, after all, running against her. But when you compare the tone on the Democratic side to that of the Republican race, or to almost any political campaign, it has been downright collegial. The Vermont senator has lobbed almost no personal attacks against Clinton. And Sanders hasn’t hit her on the e-mail scandal or Benghazi.

Clinton is still the frontrunner for the nomination and it is going to be a long and difficult general election. But as much as she may want the primary to be over, it isn’t.

[NWCorona]

1. It already has IMHO

[daleanime]

2. +1

[fun n serious]

6. I don't think so.

Hillary never said there would be a debate in NY. She only said a debate in April. Sanders was FORCEFULLY DEMANDING a debate in NYC for his own political gain. He has been running a negative campaign with his paid surrogates. He wants to set the time and date of the debate. Who the F left all this authority up to him? Then he takes it to the public to try and make it look like Hillary won't debate. "DEBATE ME IN NY or I will publicly call you out!" He looks and feels like an aggressive bully. I'm glad he is showing the public this crazy display. That and the cluster fuck of claims by Devine that they did not compete in states Hilary won. LMFAO

[NWCorona]

9. It's not the issue of having it before the NY primary

I agree with Bernie that it should be but I realize that isn't guaranteed.

It's the issue of the campaign saying that he needs to change his tone before they would agree to the scheduled debate. That shows extreme weaknesses on Hillary's part and people are noticing.

Whether or not NY thinks it's important that the debate is held there and before the primary is up to them. I do think it will be tho.

[fun n serious]

22. His tone was agressive

No one should adhere to demands from a bully.

[NWCorona]

23. Like I said. What is she gonna say to Trump?

She can't be tuff and weak at the same time.

[fun n serious]

26. It's not weak to not BOW down to demands from a bully

its being tough on a bully. It's working since Sanders camp is in such a fit.

[NWCorona]

30. I don't think of Bernie as a bully

I'm not saying he's soft and cuddly tho either.

I hope you aren't calling me a bully

[Bluenorthwest]

35. He's her primary rival. Characterizing politics as bullying is not a winning argument. Here's Bill

Clinton speaking to an AIDS activist who had a few months left to live:

So tone? Bullying? Seriously?


Hillary 2008- “Honestly, I just believe that this is the most important job in the world, it’s the toughest job in the world, you should be willing to campaign for every vote, you should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere."

She made no mention of tonal requirements.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. If she can't handle Sanders...

Trump will be hysterical

Stocking up on the popcorn

[grasswire]

36. Nadin...

..I am picturing you in a room filled with popcorn by now. LOL.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. The conure loves the stuff

(And that is real. From time to time I buy it for mostly a conure)

[grasswire]

42. I have been feeding popped corn to crows.

They seem to like it pretty well, too.

[KPN]

51. Bernie a bully?

Lol. My how I wish her campaign would say that ... but if enough Hillies do, that'll suffice. Talk about backfire!

[noiretextatique]

54. Pathetic excuse for this supposed tough woman

Really pathetic. Poor, helpless, maligned, misunderstood Hillary

[pat_k]

7. Sure looks that way. (nt)

[NWCorona]

13. It does

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I mean what is she gonna say to Trump? Is Hillary gonna back down again?

[NorthCarolina]

34. A trending #ToneDownForWhat tells me

you are probably correct.

[roguevalley]

49. given that he stepped in and saved her and all of us slag about her

emails, I am stunned that this schmuck had the gall to call tone here. He has been a gent all the way through. she and her team don't like what he says. That's content, not tone and she looks weak and petulant having her people say this.

[NWCorona]

50. And it's been out there too long for Hillary to say that it was just her surrogates.

[bvar22]

53. Going by this, it already has:

I would love to see thousands of these posted across the state.

[upaloopa]

3. Sanders is not in any position to be demanding anything

He wants Hillary to do things that are in his favor.

He should be willing to give as well as take

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. I see that you are not a fan of Hillary History.

Surprise, surprise!

[Avalon Sparks]

5. So you admit the more she exposes herself to questioning...

It's not in her favor....

Makes me wonder why you support her.

[upaloopa]

8. When you start a post with "So" you can be sure nobody is going to take it seriously

[mac56]

10. When you can't answer the question -

[Avalon Sparks]

43. So what....

LOL

[NWCorona]

31. I think there's two debates left on the schedule

[Kentonio]

57. So when Hillary said politicians should be happy to debate 'Anywhere, Anytime'

That was a lie?

[nichomachus]

11. Hillary sounds like every nun I had in grammar school

You had better change your tone, young man.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. I hate nuns. Literally.

They used to beat the shit out of my left hand when I naturally wanted to use it for writing, art, whatever. I still recall clearly the 3 foot steel ruler they used on the "Devil's hand."

If I persisted, I got to kneel on hard peas in the corner. Damn sadists.

[Worried senior]

20. That was in line

with the inquisition in my opinion.

How old were your six? Terrible way to teach a child but I went to Catholic school too and had a couple nuns that hated me for whatever reason. I tried.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

41. 6,7,8

[grasswire]

37. LOLOL

That's what Chris Matthews said! He said it sounded like what a nun would say.

[CalvinballPro]

12. Everyone with common sense recognizes Sanders' debate call as the desperation it is.

Clinton leads him in NY polling by roughly 30 points. She doesn't need to face him, while he is desperate for free airtime in an expensive media market.

This isn't everyone's first election, only Sanders supporters. Most of us know what's what, despite all the spin. Sanders has privately acknowledged that he's going to lose, otherwise his campaign wouldn't be floating such dumb ideas like that he "chose not to compete in 8 states" or that "super-delegates will flip to the candidate with the least votes, least wins, and least pledged delegates."

It's just shameful he won't be honest with his supporters about what he's already admitted to himself.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. No.

No.
No.
No, and,
No.

There, I fixed your post for you.

[CalvinballPro]

19. Weak. Weak, weak, weak, and weak. There, I fixed yours right back.

[noiretextatique]

55. And everyone who chooses to remember knows she lacks integrity

Since she agreed to the debate. If she's so confident, she would agree to the debate. Another excuse that is as hollow as her promises.

[CalvinballPro]

56. If she were confident, she'd do exactly what Bernie demands? I don't think you know what the words

you're using actually mean here, friend. Consult a dictionary.

Being "confident" doesn't mean allowing your opponent to dictate your actions. Far from it.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. Yes it is! Eat your beans and bend over for your suppository. NOW! Do not think or question us.

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[ViseGrip]

28. he gave her the new hampshire debate didn't he and she agreed to three more and NY was one of them

[CalvinballPro]

33. No, "April" was one of them. The date and location were not decided, and the lies need to stop.

Seriously, truthiness is not going to win Sanders a pre-NY debate. Enough already.

[pdsimdars]

44. You guys can knit pick this way or that

but it looks weak and bad that Hillary refuses to debate. That's what it looks like. You may argue with yourselves but to most people, she looks weak by refusing. period.

[CalvinballPro]

46. Clinton demanded Obama debate her when she was trailing in 2008. This is no different.

[Trajan]

48. You've been here less than a month

It seems like ages ...

Byebye ...

[CalvinballPro]

52. Yeah, go hide behind your ignore button.

[CalvinballPro]

59. You're better because you've been using a website longer than me? GFTOOH, troll.

[Kentonio]

58. She looks like a coward.

If she genuinely has a 30 point lead, then shouldn't that be because of her policies and positions? Yet apparently talking about them and contrasting them with her opponent is a risk to her? How does that work exactly? If she's a strong candidate, wouldn't a debate allow her to extend her lead?

[CalvinballPro]

60. He looks like a loser who needs free airtime. You're not fooling anyone. nt

[Kentonio]

61. Free airtime works both ways.

It also gives the public the opportunity to see Democratic positions and contrast them against the constant stream of Trump.

[longship]

14. Hillary and her supporters have irony deficiency disorder.

David Brock posts an attack piece impugning Bernie Sanders' relationship with Jane implying that she is abused. They, in part do this by misquoting Bernie. AKA all lying!

On the same damned day, HRC justifies weaseling out of a NY debate because she doesn't like the "tone" of Bernie's campaign.

It's kind of amazing that the discordance of her campaign is echoing all over the place and she blames it on Bernie, and his wife, Jane.

The irony is thick. And the HRC supporters don't see it at all. Nor does HRC.

One doesn't know whether to laugh out loud or to break down crying at such a sad state of affairs.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. it is too easy to cry at the thought of a Hillarian presidency.

Instead, I am committing time and money to the BERN

[longship]

21. Me too, as best that I can.

The primary here is over (MI -- yea! Bernie). Unfortunately I am not too mobile. But I'll be ready to go for November when it comes time.

[HereSince1628]

18. It's -not- condescending, that's Presidential gravitas, she's got so much gravity

it warps space-time. It's a terrible burden for her, because people who don't understand see the distortions that her mere presence causes to perceived reality as lying.

It's really just evidence of her massive greatness.

[pdsimdars]

45. Is that "sexist" , just another way of calling her fat???

[peacebird]

27. May? How about - already HAS!

[Buns_of_Fire]

29. And I would have gotten away with, too, if it wasn't for those darned kids.

She doesn't have to debate. Heck, she doesn't even have to run ads. Her name's on the ballot, what MORE do these foolish little people want?

Jeb! may have some helpful insight into that attitude.

Don't you sass me, mister! Go to your room!

[grasswire]

38. I'm beginning to feel almost sorry for Chelsea. nt

[Else You Are Mad]

32. Boohoo

Clinton's camp has statisticians that have been right nearly 100% of the time. This shows that the race is much closer than most polls, and she is afraid of him swaying any voters.

Just saying...

[Bluenorthwest]

39. It's already backfiring. As are all their pitiful and dishonest tactics.

Our nominee will probably face Trump, so it's not a gig for those who can't handle respectful debate. How can she run against Donald if she can't deal with a nice guy like Bernie? Trust me, Trump will never get sick of hearing about her e-mails. Never tire of mentioning them.

[pdsimdars]

47. Not to mention the "tone" Donald has.

[JesterCS]

62. It's amazing....

Been a member since 06 and never put anyone on ignore. This primary, I'm up to almost a dozen on ignore. Some really nasty Clintonites here