2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders has Hillary Clinton right where he wants her
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/03/28/why-wont-sanders-quit-the-race-because-hes-winning/Bernie Sanders has Hillary Clinton right where he wants her
Bye, bye, Bernie, the Washington Post editorialized prematurely, echoing numerous talking heads. Politico reports Democratic pols are quietly urging him to pack it in. Even President Barack Obama suggested to deep-pocket donors that its time to fold in behind former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. (They already have, Mr. President, they already have).
Some of this is sowed by the Clinton campaign. But most is simple foolishness. It would be inconceivable for Sanders to stop now.
After all, he still has a chance to win the nomination. Sanders just swept through the West, winning five of six contests by stunning margins. In addition, he isnt just a candidate hes a cause. Sanders seeks to build a movement that can make the political revolution needed to transform the country, not simply win the White House. That means a political movement powerful enough to both get big money out of politics and pass Sanders agenda. His supporters want and expect him to drive that effort right through the Democratic National Convention and beyond.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Funny that she is not a winner. So many, for months now, have been so wrong about Bernie, that we Berners just have to laugh at them. Hell, Bernie was supposed to be done on super Tuesday and before that was never going to win anything or ever raise any money.
Frankly, it is shameful to see what are supposedly democrats acting the way they do. It's like they just don't get what democracy actually means.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)bullimiami
(13,104 posts)People are silly.
Just be realistic. He "could" pull it out, just not very likely.
No reason to go all Baghdad Bob on us.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And he probably will take almost all the super delegates besides evening up in the pledged delegates in the next two months.
Yall have been selling Bernie short for so long that none of us take you H people seriously.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Let's not forget she lead there too!
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)that her 1 million fake twitter followers are more legit than vores obtained via the rampanr voter suppression in several states.
synergie
(1,901 posts)Why isn't Bernie upset about the voter suppression that happened in all those caucus states where those who could not take the time off work, had children to take care of or were otherwise unable to attend or participate in the caucus system?
Do those votes not matter, are they not legitimate to the "fake twitter followers" and pretend online progressives who are very selective and imaginative about their concern for actual voting rights?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)That doesn't seem like its in any way supported by the evidence.
synergie
(1,901 posts)actual chance that he might win and have to deliver on his rhetoric, when he has no actual plans, and has literally done NOTHING to help down ballot dems who are NECESSARY to even begin to entertain his ideas?
Of course he wants her winning by margins he cannot overcome, then he'll never have to face up to responsibility of actually following through. He's been part of the establishment for how long, and what has he gotten accomplished? He can't even convince his colleagues to do anything, not even endorse him.
As long as he loses, he'll still have the adulation of the youth, and can continue exhorting them for the "revolution" he has no idea how to pull off. Nor will he ever have to do the work of governing where one needs to stop with the ideological demagoguery and figure out how to get stuff done, even when it's unpopular. Imagine if he pulled that stomping off and finger wagging as president when he's called to the carpet for compromising on things.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Hes proved that presidential candidates do not have to be dependent on big donors. In every race from here on, there will be an insurgent slot waiting to be filled. Hes driven the debate in the campaign, forcing Clinton to adjust her positions and recycle some of his rhetoric. On trade, on Wall Street, on corporate tax dodges and CEO pay, on criminal justice, on the minimum wage and unions, money and politics his campaign (plus movements like Black Lives Matter and Fight for $15) is opening new ground.
The longer Sanders stays in the race, the harder it will be for Clinton to abandon her new populist pledges.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)She does well in Republican states but can't close it out.
Clinton's donors are maxed out while Sanders has more donations, 5.7 million, than any other campaign.
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Her leading opponent for the nomination, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, in 2015 raised only 2 percent of the $72.8 million hes amassed for the primary from maxed-out donors. Instead, he relied on small donors who have donated $200 or less for 64 percent of his total haul.
Such donors are considered the gold standard of political fundraising because they can continue to give in small increments over the course of an entire campaign, creating a sustainable revenue stream. Additionally, its often less expensive to raise money from small donors, because they give online and dont attend costly fundraising events.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donors-218569#ixzz44Njg0xB4
2 million donors, 5.7 million donations versus 1 million donors, 58%+ maxed out
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)The point has to be driven home before we are drive off the cliff.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And heading into states where he isn't expected to win?
Yeah, Sanders has Clinton exactly where he wants her.
#smh
morningfog
(18,115 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Clinton - 1243
Sanders - 975
Difference - 1243-975 or 268
And Sanders supporters were crying about how if Sanders won by the vote and Clinton "stole" it with Superdelegates, it would tear the Democratic Party apart ... so even though we don't nominate on popular vote, it is still relevant.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tanuki
(14,920 posts)"right where he wants her."
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Your link shows Washington State as 74 Sanders / 27 Clinton ... I took my numbers from Wikipedia and the NYT. No other website shows the numbers found at your link, yet. I even tried finding that at the voting website in Washington or the Washington Democratic Party website, I didn't see where either of those places show those numbers.
Either way Tanuki is correct, the OP is laughable.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)The rest of the WA delegates have not yet been but will officially be ratified through a process that is now predetermined, although the total may vary by 1 or 2. (Which would be wrong, if you ask me, but anyway...) Another detail that inflates the Clinton lead in the media, however. It's annoying because superdelegates aren't obligated and don't count until the convention, but get projected. Yet the nearly certain WA delegates aren't projected. Something tells me they might have been, if the result had gone to HRC's favor. Anyway.
demwing
(16,916 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)At least I'm not in denial about it.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)and the raiders were on their own 2 yard line, 3rd down, down by 8 points and this guy says to Madden (coach)
"We got em right where we want em"
Dont get me wrong, I want Bernie to win, but man...
Number23
(24,544 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Had to be a white guy, right!
Number23
(24,544 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Well played Bernie!!
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)No one wants to be behind. Period.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Thank you for posting it here.
I would encourage all Sanders supporters to read the entire piece. It's quite well done.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Feelin the Bern, indeed....
RandySF
(59,225 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)hmmmmm.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)You're supposed to run to be President of all states, not just some. Bernie blew it, bigtime.