Hillary Clinton offers Bernie Sanders “opportunity” to walk back Susan Sarandon’s lunacy

[dana_b]

After Bernie Sanders campaign surrogate Susan Sarandon went on national television and suggested she’d rather see Donald Trump become President than Hillary Clinton, the surreal remark turned her name into a trending topic punchline on Twitter. She suggested that Trump would “bring the revolution immediately” among other extremist views. The Clinton campaign is responding in more measured manner, publicly asking Sanders whether he wants to walk back Sarandon’s nonsense.

The Clinton spokesman appeared on MSNBC and referred to Susan Sarandon’s comments as “peculiar” but offered to give the Sanders campaign the “benefit of the doubt” and the “opportunity” to walk back her extremist remarks: “Not every surrogate that goes out and speaks on behalf of a campaign actually reflects the views of the candidate.”

http://linkis.com/www.dailynewsbin.com/rHasV

Not a fan of the Daily News Bin but I saw a few Hillary supporters on twitter trying very hard to get this story out there on #Bernie (now in the top 10) and so I thought that I'd help them out.

So why should Bernie explain anything for Susan Sarandon? She is in charge of her own words - not him. And I'm surprised at the Clinton campaign for expecting Bernie to speak for Sarandon. Surely they don't think that Susan needs Bernie to speak for her?

[NWCorona]

1. Why should he?

[notadmblnd]

2. or what?

Sander's is no more responsible for what Ms Sarandon says any more than Hillary is responsible for what George Clooney might say.

[dana_b]

4. agree 100%

but evidently the Clinton camp thinks that Bernie is responsible for all of his supporter's thoughts/sayings/deeds

[Gwhittey]

13. Well yea why should she not

Her followers follow along with the Hive Mind so it is natural she would assume all people are like her supporters

[PatrickforO]

38. Yeah, we've been blamed for all kinds of stuff.

My favorite is when someone says, well I supported Bernie but his supporters are such assholes that I'm not supporting him any more!

Either way, not so smart. Clinton surrogates are EVERY BIT as obnoxious and truth twisting.

And...seriously, Susan - I've always liked you, but Trump isn't gonna bring anything to us except an American 'fascist revolution' - roundups, concentrations and hatred. Racism, bigotry, misogyny and intolerance. WAR. Not even Trump's ex campaign honcho is going to actually VOTE for the jerk. Don't you do it, Susan.

But relax - Bernie is doing OK. He's a bit behind but can still pull it out. And even if he doesn't, we've still won because this campaign is ABOUT wealth inequality, Wall Street, forever war, healthcare, Social Security, college debt and the environment. Bernie has totally elevated the discussion. I'll tell you, if Bernie weren't talking about this stuff, Clinton sure as heck wouldn't be.

BUT DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP. BIG MISTAKE.

[dana_b]

40. and that's just it she never said that she'd vote for Trump

she just talked about what would happen if he were elected.

i've never understood that "I don't like your supporters so I won't vote for you". I don't like every Bernie supporter. Some ARE obnoxious! But Bernie cannot control us nor should he even try.

[nichomachus]

8. Well, Mrs. Clinton does most of her smearing through surrogates

So, she imagines that everyone else does too.

[notadmblnd]

15. I can easily believe that.

[840high]

57. .+1

[Wilms]

3. Daily News Bin n/t

[dana_b]

5. right?? I know

I'll use that as a "shame" smilie

[Wilms]

7. I love it!

You could use one of these that rag, and People's View.

[arcane1]

6. The Clinton Crew grows more desperate by the hour n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

22. Even her most blindered supporters have to see the trend lines.

[H2O Man]

9. Curious situation.

I think it's good that she said what she did. Although I disagree with her, in part, I am grateful when anyone expands the conversation in a meaningful way.

[BernieforPres2016]

28. Did you actually see the interview, and if so, what do you disagree with her on?

She didn't say what that piece claims she said. I didn't disagree with a thing she said.

[H2O Man]

32. Good questions.

I actually haven't seen the interview, except a brief clip. I spent most of today engaging in the pre-trial hearing per evidence to be introduced in the trial for the law enforcement officer who murdered shot my cousin & his son 17 months ago. The trial starts in a week. But the past 48 hours have been brutal.

The part about if Trump were elected -- if reported accurately -- would be what I disagree with. I do not think Trump has the capacity to control the violent forces he threatens to unleash in our nation.

[BernieforPres2016]

41. Sorry about your personal situation

The article cited in the OP lies about what Sarandon said in the interview. She simply refused the loyalty oath request from Chris Hayes who wanted her to pledge to vote for Hillary in the general election if she wins the nomination. Sarandon didn't say she might prefer Trump to Hillary, she just said she didn't know if she could bring herself to vote for Hillary and talked about how she takes money from so many corporations, etc.

[H2O Man]

49. Thank you.

I appreciate the accurate information.

If Hillary does somehow win the nomination, it will be extraordinarily hard for people like me to ask my associates to consider voting for her. The split in the area's county Democratic HQs is severe: the establishment folks and the progressives will take years to heal.

[BernieforPres2016]

61. I don't know that this particular split can heal, even with time

It is two completely different ideas about what the Democratic Party should be, the party of FDR and Truman, or the Third Way Republican Lite big money corporatist party it has become. Unless one side gives in, as the progressive side has been doing for over 20 years, I think a divorce on terms of irreconcilable differences is warranted.

[H2O Man]

66. I hear you.

It is, in my opinion, the most severe split since 1968.

[bettyellen]

86. accurate information that entirely omitted her actual response about "some people"

wanting to bring on the revolution, and would that "blow up" really be worse than a Clinton presidency?
It;s worse then they let on.

[Blue_In_AK]

33. Exactly.

What she said when asked if she would vote for Clinton against Trump was that she's have to think about it. She never said she wouldn't vote for Hillary, only that she can understand why some younger people won't.

[grntuscarora]

10. Bernie is ok with letting people speak for themselves.

Unlike HRC, he doesn't micromanage their talking points.

[CalvinballPro]

11. Didn't your side make Clinton answer for Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem's comments? Now...

...it's "Candidates aren't responsible for their surrogates?"

I'm getting so sick and tired of this double standard that exists solely to protect Bernie Sanders from the rules his supporters apply to everyone else. Such bullshit.

[notadmblnd]

17. Ms Sarandon did not say that women who did not support Sanders would burn in hell nor

did she imply that the guys that support Clinton only did so because of the women. So I don't think the comments are comparable.

[grntuscarora]

19. ^^This^^

nt

[CalvinballPro]

21. The comments don't have to be comparable for the same standard to apply. The standard is about

candidates answering for their surrogates, not the content of the comments.

And of course you don't think the comments are the same, because you know that my point about Clinton having to answer for hers but Bernie not having to answer for his just popped your argument flat.

[grntuscarora]

31. For sake of argument

let us pretend you are correct. This is about standards, not content. If HRC caved to public outcry over comments made by her surrogates, then she was wrong, and weak to do so.

Let's see if Bernie throws Sarandon under a bus because of public pressure. My guess is, he won't.

Who shows greater patience. Who shows greater respect for others in allowing them to speak their minds, even when it costs him/her? Who is the wiser leader, and who is the politician? (Rhetorical question, because I know your answer and you know mine.)

[CalvinballPro]

70. You argue in circles. Sanders isn't "stronger" for not rebuking his surrogates when they speak dumb.

Some bullshit "it's different when Bernie does/doesn't do it" argument is not going to cut it.

[grntuscarora]

71. I didn't argue "in circles".

I accepted your argument and carried it to a conclusion. If it didn't turn out the way that makes your candidate look good--tough nuts.

[CalvinballPro]

72. You're lying, to yourself and me. You re-arranged the rules so that being responsible for surrogates

makes a candidate look "weak" because Clinton did it, but it makes Sanders look strong because he didn't. I call bullshit, and you've got no response other than to keep twisting the logic further into pretzels to justify your claim.

[grntuscarora]

73. I've been very clear.

If Bernie berates Sarandon, and she issues an apology and retraction, then I'll be disappointed in Bernie. HRC and Bernie should be held to the same standard, which should be that neither is responsible for their individual supporters' comments.

And for the record, I never held Albright's and Steinem's off the cuff comments against Hillary. They were stupid comments, but they were NOT Hillary's. They were adults who could take responsibility for their own remarks, and she didn't need to micromanage.

[CalvinballPro]

74. Your original comment is full of excuses for why Sanders is better for not standing up to his people

I've had enough of your self-serving efforts at logic. Anything in service of Bernie, I suppose. Some "progressive."

[grntuscarora]

78. Guess we'll have to part ways!

No hard feelings, DU friend.

[notadmblnd]

39. They are not comparable

and you saying otherwise does not make it so.

[seabeyond]

25. no, she merely said women voted with vaginas, she wasn't, as she is willing to vote repug in to take

away women and girls legal medical health care rights.

But, what the fuck right?

Bad Albright and Steinem.

[notadmblnd]

36. No she did not say women voted with their vaginas.

She said she does not vote with her vagina. But hey- if the shoe fits.....

[seabeyond]

43. Because fuck women and girl's right to legal medical care?

[merrily]

45. Did Bernie say he would exclude females from Medicare for All?

If not, why do you seem unable to distinguish voting with one's vagina from medical care for people with vaginas?

[Kalidurga]

60. Oh my

Do you think Bernie would be weaker on abortion rights than Miss Exception to the Law on late term abortions?

[pdsimdars]

29. Excuse me, but may I remind you, they don't do nuance or thinking.

[notadmblnd]

42. I see that. It's one of the reasons I've made myself scarce lately

However, sometimes I just can't help it.

[JonLeibowitz]

52. What is to answer for? She has clarified that what some took her to mean (with dubious intent)

was not what she said nor meant:

https://twitter.com/SusanSarandon/status/714940487833153536
https://twitter.com/SusanSarandon/status/714957075940569088

[Ino]

12. Just because Hillary brings her supporters to heel...

doesn't mean everyone is or should be on a leash. I'm sure Sarandon isn't the only one who feels that way, and that should be of concern to Clinton, not to Sanders. It's HER problem to change that around, not his.

[GoneFishin]

14. Trying to get a loyalty pledge from Bernie. Interesting.

[HughLefty1]

16. On one hand She won't debate him..

But expects him to answer for Susan Sarandan...WTF? Bernie can't be responsible for the remarks of all his supporters.

[Segami]

18. DailyNewsBin?.....another David Brock site?

I came across this:


Today, a "Tim Martyn" from the Web site Daily News Bin posted a "report" about how the Kentucky gubernatorial election was stolen. Martyn gave no sources, no quotations, no data, and no logic. The report is pathetic innuendo, but it has gotten a little play on Facebook.

Who is Tim Martyn? It appears "he" is a pseudonym. There is no "Tim Martyn" appearing on any other Web site. He's never worked for another news outlet, he's got no Facebook page or LinkedIn page or any other presence outside of Daily News Bin. No family, no friends, no past.

What is Daily News Bin? It is a "news" Web site created on February 16, 2015. No one knows who owns the domain, because it was registered secretly using the company Domains By Proxy. Rather obviously, Daily News Bin has something to hide. Daily News Bin claims to be run by Bill Palmer, its "Senior Editor". There is, apparently, a "Bill Palmer". He's written all of two articles for BeatWeek, a music magazine. He claims to be the magazine's editor-in-chief, but if you go to BeatWeek's Web site and try to verify that -- you discover that the "About" page is an attack-page full of viruses that attempts to take over your computer. In fact, that's true of almost every page on BeatWeek's Web site, except for their "Contact Us" page.

There are four "reporters" at Daily News Bin: Cara Harris, Tim Martyn, Christy Bishop Cricow, Reggie Smith, and Anita Finlay Harris, Martyn, and Smith seem not to exist. The only "Christy Bishop Cricow" I can find with a Google search is an interior designer and sticker manufacturer who lives in Eugene, Oregon. Anita Finlay Harris is a real person, who hold right-wing/libertarian views (she's a regular contributor to the right-wing The Jerry Doyle Show, the right-wing Americans Talk Radio Network, the right-wing Midpoint With Ed Berliner, the right-wing Talk Radio Network, and more). But if you search Daily News Bin for anything she's written, nothing comes up. Nor does a Google search of her name and Daily News Bin.

If you read the articles on Daily News Bin, it's clear the site is a poorly written pro-Hillary Clinton site. It does nothing but promote Hillary Clinton. It talks as if Hillary Clinton already won the Democratic nomination for president. Now, Daily News Bin pretends to have Tech, Music, and Entertainment sections. But if you go to them, you discover them either empty or full of pro-Hillary Clinton articles.

I'm all for political Web sites. But this is a joke. It's so poorly done, I'm shocked anyone believes it.

Worse, if the site is in any way connected with Clinton, it's immoral, unethical, and an appalling manipulation of the news cycle. She should disown it.


http://beingbutmen.blogspot.com/2015/11/today-tim-martyn-from-web-site-daily.html

[dana_b]

20. I know! I know!

I'm sorry.

Like I said, I'm not proud of that BUT if Brock is the owner, then it's likely that the Clinton camp does want Bernie to speak for Sarandon, which is weird.

[BernieforPres2016]

23. There are 2 lies in the basic premise of that piece

"After Bernie Sanders campaign surrogate Susan Sarandon went on national television and suggested she’d rather see Donald Trump become President than Hillary Clinton"

Sarandon isn't a Sanders campaign surrogate. I watched the interview via a link at DU. She is a Sanders supporter who makes it clear what HER reasons are for supporting Bernie. She may have introduced Bernie at some events, but she is not a surrogate of the type that are sent to the talk shows to sit opposite each other and spout talking points for their candidate. I am pretty sure she is not compensated by the Sanders campaign for anything, unless they pay her travel expenses at events where she does an introduction. Sarandon talked about traveling to Greece and other places to see the Syrian refugee crisis firsthand. She is politically active and an independent thinker.

Second, Sarandon didn't suggest she would rather see Donald Trump become President than Hillary Clinton. She simply said she didn't know if she would be able to bring herself to vote for Hillary Clinton if she was the Democratic nominee. Those aren't the same thing. Many of us here have expressed the same point of view, that any candidate has to meet a minimum threshold of acceptability to cast a vote for them instead of voting Green or casting a write in vote for Bernie.

This is another bullshit smear, likely generated from the Brock machine via a 3rd party.

[dana_b]

35. exactly!! and the reason I posted this though is because

this is what the Clinton camp is saying.

Susan was just giving her opinions as a supporter and the idea that Bernie should defend her comments is insane.

[pdsimdars]

24. I always wonder who the hell poeple think they are to call someone else's choice of who they

want to vote for "surreal" or whatever other terms they use. People make various choices that I may not agree with but really, I'm not responsible for any of their choices.

*****************************************************************

I remember one scene on "Roseanne" where DJ and his best friend were not talking to each other. His friend was moving away so the 2 mothers wanted to get them back together so they wouldn't separate like that.

Finally they got the guys to make up and then DJ said, "And I hope your mom's operation goes OK"

To which they asked, "What operation?"

And DJ said,"My mom says she needs to get the stick removed from her a*s"

That statement seems to apply here too.

[amborin]

26. HRC "i voted many x for a wall to keep out illegal immigrants" "send the children back..to teach

them a lesson" etc........

she is NO better than Trump, I"m sorry. Trump is a hideous racist but HRC has said and done some very racist things herself; she's on record saying horrible things. And her biggest donors are vehemently anti-Muslim. She is a war monger who implemented reckless regime change.

[beam me up scottie]

27. Sure, as soon as Hillary apologizes to women for Brock's misogyny and calling Anita Hill "slutty".

[merrily]

50. Respectfully, Brock is Hillary's employee. Sarandon is not Bernie's employee.

Bernie is not responsible in any way for what Sarandon says.

[beam me up scottie]

55. Good point, she should apologize and he doesn't need to.

[merrily]

59. Not only does he not need to, he has no business doing so.

Ms. Sarandon is a "grown ass woman" who is not Sanders' employee. He is not responsible for Ms. Sarandon's words; he has no right or obligation on this earth to speak for her and should not purport so to do because that would be overstepping, patriarchal and demeaning.

[Blue_In_AK]

30. Well, isn't Hillary special?

Susan Sarandon is entitled to her opinion, and it's not up to Bernie to "walk back" anything. This is so very presumptuous.

[LonePirate]

34. This is not about Sarandon.

This is about Hillary pushing Bernie to disavow Trump as a candidate his supporters should vote for in the fall if Bernie is not the nominee. Any celebrity could have said exactly what Sarandon said and this entire conversation would still be taking place.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Stuff Said By Clinton Surrogates, 2008: A Retrospective.

Geraldine Ferraro, to the Newspaper 'The Daily Breeze' in CA: “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

When it was suggested her views were racist in nature she said:

“Every time that campaign is upset about something, they call it racist. I will not be discriminated against because I’m white. If they think they’re going to shut up Geraldine Ferraro with that kind of stuff, they don’t know me."

This was a former VP candidate. Clinton official Party surrogate. Hillary did not fire her. She offered her resignation without any apology, she said “The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/us/politics/12campaign.html


Glass Houses. Careful with the stones.....

[revbones]

46. ROFL A quote from DailyNewsBin...

That says it all right there. Next up, quotes from BNR, Peter Daou and even more David Brock!

[merrily]

47. Let me get this straight: Hillary, the alleged feminist, is giving Bernie an "opportunity"

to speak for one of his adult, intelligent female supporters?

Does no one see the irony?

[dana_b]

51. that's exactly how I responded to a couple of

her supporters on twitter (they were the ones pushing the story). Why would Bernie ever speak for Susan? She's quite capable of doing so for herself.

[JackRiddler]

48. Did she walk back Steinem's or Albright's?

More importantly, why doesn't she want a debate in New York City?

[NorthCarolina]

53. This kind of silly shit is seriously going to doom an

already beleaguered Clinton campaign.

[99Forever]

54. Just what fuck is it with this crap?

Saranda is an adult. She has the RIGHT to Free Speech just like everyone else does. If the Hillaryettes don't like what she has to say, I recommend not listening to her.

Furthermore, on what fucking planet is Bernie Sanders responsible for someone being all butthurt because of what someone else said?

Has Clinton evolved to favor CENSORSHIP?

[RandySF]

56. Yes. Does Bernie embrace or disavow the idea

That a Trump presidency is better for America than than Clinton? Bernie, please tell Sarandon she doesn't get a pony.

[840high]

62. Did Clinton tell

Steinman, Albright?

[Vote2016]

58. what a load of crap. is there any doubt why Hillary's campaign is blowing a big lead? are there no

adults in the room telling Hillary when she is taking campaign missteps that cause voters to hemorrhage from the party?

[winter is coming]

63. Sarandon is capable of thinking and speaking for herself.

If she wants to walk anything back, that's her choice, not Bernie's.

[dana_b]

64. Susan JUST tweeted:

Susan SarandonVerified account
‏@SusanSarandon Susan Sarandon Retweeted Jamie Lee Curtis
Of course I would never support Trump for any reason. If you watch the interview you'll see that's not what I said.

https://twitter.com/SusanSarandon/status/714957075940569088

[Nyan]

84. Um...yeah...that was kinda obvious to me. I don't know why so many people misunderstood.

People. Get a grip.
In that same interview, she was talking about flying to Greece and meeting Syrian refugees because she wanted to see the actual human beings and not an abstract notion created by the Trumps of the world.

She meant to say that Bernie supporters are not at all unrealistic when we have Trump supporters who believe just electing Trump would bring Leninist-type instantaneous changes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=346521

[MisterP]

89. I'd also add that Trump's not the one who did Syria and then disregard the refugees he created ...

[LibDemAlways]

85. She should not have had to clarify her

remarks. It's only because Hillary's campaign saw an opportunity to twist her comments and then try to drag Bernie into the fray. Such bullshit.

There are major problems in this country that the candidates should be focused on. Susan Sarandon's opinions aren't among them.

[Jarqui]

65. "suggested she’d rather see Donald Trump become President than Hillary Clinton"

No she didn't. We have an op to talk about something she didn't say:

Here's the transcript:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/29/susan-sarandon-really-really-doesnt-like-hillary-clinton/

HAYES: Right, but isn't the question always in an election about choices, right. I mean, I think a lot of people think to themselves well if it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, and I think Bernie Sanders probably would think this...

SARANDON: I think Bernie probably would encourage people because he doesn't have any ego. I think a lot of people are sorry, I can't bring myself to do that.

HAYES: How about you personally?

SARANDON: I don't know. I'm going to see what happens.

HAYES: Really?

SARANDON: Really.

She was talking about "some people" may support Trump but when she was asked about herself "personally" and specifically:
"I don't know. I'm going to see what happens."

She's been out on the campaign trail talking to Bernie's supporters. She's relaying her impressions of what they might feel or do.

So they circled back to her articulating why some folks might support Trump over Hillary - kind of Devil's advocate talk - speaking for some Sanders supporters.

So there is nothing for Sanders to walk back. All he needs to do is send Hillary a tape and some hearing aids.

I can relate to Susan because I'm in the same boat. "I don't know. I'm going to see what happens."

[peacebird]

67. Maybe if Hillary had a shred of integrity people wouldn't be forced to question #WhichHillary

But sadly, Hillary is so incredibly dishonest (just look at how her speeches have 'evolved' over this campaign - she now basically parrots Bernie's speech, but what would she do if nominated? My bet is she can't wait to pivot back hard right again)

Her speech at AIPAC was nauseating. Her warhawk 'muscular' foreign policy is terrifying.

People do not trust her for a very good reason, she lies. What would Hillary do? What would Trump do?

All I know is that Bernie is better by far than either of them.

[Kip Humphrey]

68. Susan Sarandon signals Dem power structure, DO NOT COUNT ON the Democratic wing of the

Democratic party to save Hillary in the fall if the party nominates Hillary.

[Trajan]

69. To quote another poster: "We have an op to talk about something she didn't say:"

And this non-story was brought to you by David Brock ...

And ... David Brock thanks you ..

[ibegurpard]

75. wow talk about misogyny!

[jillan]

76. Still waiting for her to walk back Madeline Albright's comments. She was offered to walk them back

at the PBS debate and did not.

[ozone_man]

77. Perhaps Hillary can walk back her taking Wall Street millions.

It could happen! Probably not though.

Let candidates be responsible for their own actions, not their fans. Besides, I love Susan Sarendon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. She did not even say that

and the full interview is rather clear on that...

[revbones]

80. Wow. Hillary followers go all the way with the right-wing tactics

Play #38 from the right-wing playbook

Step 1: twist someone's words around
Step 2: Feign outrage
Step 3: Call for the person's group to disavow that person

I thought Democrats were better than this. This is very disappointing that so many are taking part in this tactic.

[haikugal]

81. The notion that Sanders should walk anything she said back is insulting. This is feminist thinking?

[ibegurpard]

83. it is when you're a Hillary supporter

[melman]

82. When is Bernie gonna clarify his position on ping-pong?

When!

[djean111]

87. Tells a lot, doesn't it, that someone who feels they should be the candidate BECAUSE they are a

woman so easily dismisses another woman's ideas and beliefs and instructs Bernie to walk them back.

Authoritative bullshit. And - used to having her way, no matter what? Pissy, really, about opposition? No presidential, move like the Red Queen. Trump is like the Red Queen, too, not a gender thing. The "off with their heads" attitude. Blech.
And - good for Susan Sarandon.

[MisterP]

88. followers of the billionaire private-prison manufacturing-wrecking Drug-War bomb-dropping golpista

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think anyone else is "privileged"