Has the typical Clinton supporter ever heard of the DLC or Third Way?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

No. Of course not. In a primary that has spent so much time scrutinizing Democratic Socialism, the Third Way has gotten a free pass. The name Clinton is synonymous with the Party's break from labor and toward Reaganomics. There is a small Progressive caucus within the Dem Party, today, but unless you live in one of a very few congressional districts, Dems don't have real choice. For the most part, Bernie's candidacy is the first time many Dems have been presented with a real choice. People have lost interest in the process and they have told us why: the parties are the same. Dems get all uppity when they hear this, and start rattling off social issue after social issue, but to no avail. Why? Because they're not listening. The people who are dropping out are angered about how the parties have colluded to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. Bernie's candidacy would have benefited by pinning this trend on the Clintons, DLC, and Third Way.

[DanTex]

1. Sure, we're just not obsessed with them.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

4. Typical supporters have never heard of DU.

[notadmblnd]

6. I beg to differ

You may not know that that is what you are obsessed with. But HRC supporters are definitely obsessed with keeping everything just the way it is now with the most going to the rich and an occasional bone being thrown to the poor.

[revbones]

20. Yep. Not obsessed with much other than being in the fan club right?

organizations that violate the core principles of the Democratic party are ok as long as your candidate says so right?

[think]

32. The Clinton Foundation was obsessed enough to buy all the records and archives of the DLC

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2011/07/dlc-records-to-clinton-foundation-037215

[mariawr]

43. They are now "New Democrats"

My party left me

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

46. HA!

[ThePhilosopher04]

51. Pretty sure that's the point. You need to be ... they are screwing our country.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

76. I admire your tenacity. You get into all of these threads where Hillary or her

supporters are attacked and you valiantly try and fend them off

Maybe challenge them to a sword fight








I am not mocking you, I am supporting you, even though I am a Bernie voter I find the relentless slamming of Hillary to be very reminiscent of the GOP.

[DanTex]

84. Thanks. One thing...

The relentless slamming of Hillary is not just reminiscent of GOP, a lot of it is actually coming from actual GOPers. This is the internet after all. There's no way to tell who is who (this is the internet), but if you see a lot of people who have joined in the last couple months and seem to do nothing but bash Hillary and advocate for Bernie or Bust, I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself.

[polichick]

2. Good point - even on this board there are people who don't know how Third Way...

thinking changed the party, or the Clintons' part in it.

[TrueDemVA]

31. Third way/Clinton Machine crushed the party

Their goal has been to create a world where corporations control everything. It has been more apparent everyday. Corporations own the news, own politicians, write laws, get rich imprisoning people, etc.

People owe it to themselves to learn about the Third Way and the DLC.

[RiverLover]

3. Its not to late for Bernie to start talking about Third Way!

If anyone from his campaign happens to see this.

Thanks for posting this!!

FYI, for the uninformed~

Third Way in struggle for the Democratic Party’s soul
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/10/06/struggle-for-soul-democratic-party-pits-wall-street-backed-think-tank-against-elizabeth-warren/pYk3SXRnZDmpi7C7N4ZpXN/story.html

Third way Democrats preparing to challenge the left for factional control
http://peoplesworld.org/third-way-democrats-preparing-to-challenge-the-left-for-factional-control/

The Democrats’ ‘Third Way’ Quarrel Could Change Your Future
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/the-democrats-third-way-q_b_4410394.html

[polichick]

5. ^^CHECK OUT THE LINKS^^

[SHRED]

7. Many probably don't or don't care

The Progressive caucus in the House is still the biggest caucus I believe so that's good.

I'm not sure they know DWS either. Her past history and how she was a co-chair for the HRC campaign of 2008. I've seen posts where the HRC camp is pissed Bernie won't raise money for her DNC even after the way she tried to marginalize him.

[firebrand80]

8. Neither has the typical Bernie supporter

I would guess

[Armstead]

59. If those who don't know did know....They'd be even more in support of Bernie

[NorthCarolina]

9. Heard of it??? LOL, probably dues paying members.

Viva la Status-Quo...and all that.

[HooptieWagon]

17. yep. Pro-choice Republicans.

Neo-liberal economics and neo-conservative foreign policy are RW positions. Not progressive, not democratic.

[Trust Buster]

10. Hillary supporters, like myself, make our own independent decisions.

It has been very distasteful hearing that the Third Way or any other groups control our minds. This has been a trend coming from the Sanders crowd. They sought to diminish the AA vote in much the same way. Sometimes one has stop and remind oneself that it's the Sanders crowd that have the extreme agenda.

[revbones]

22. So then please tell us your opinion on Thrid Way.

[Trust Buster]

23. Until I came on this site, I'd never heard of them. Still don't care about them.

[revbones]

24. So Hillary followers should just stick to being uneducated voters then?

I'm confused why you'd post if you didn't care about them. Obviously it's an issue for some.

[Trust Buster]

26. If you are trying to tell me that special interests influence our government, you're too late.

I know that. Democrats would be far more constructive attacking the Koch network that dwarfs anything on the Left.

[revbones]

37. Because nothing says integrity like saying it's only ok when your side does it? nt

[Trust Buster]

38. If you wish to lose the Supreme Court this fall and live with Citizens United for a generation,

then by all means criticize Democratic fundraising while the Koch network points their billion dollar weapon in our direction. I won't cut off my nose to spite my face.

[revbones]

40. So it's ok when your side does it?

[Trust Buster]

45. While Citizens United is the rule of the road, damn straight. We lose and CU will be with us a

LONG TIME. You might not like the 65 mph speed limit on a highway but you're not going to drive 45 mph. That would be dangerous. So would letting the wealthiest Republicans steal this election including the down ticket. Read Jane Mayer's new book "Dark Money". You will gain a greater appreciation for what we're up against.

[ieoeja]

70. Irony, though hath met thy match: "more constructive attacking the Koch network".

While Hillary Clinton presided over the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) as its President, she worked closely with the Executive Committee. Guess who resided on that committee? I will give you a hint. The name has four letters and sounds like a famous beverage company based in Atlanta.


The poster is attacking the Koch network as the DLC was part of the Koch network!

It's called hedging their bet. GOP wins then Kochs win. Clinton wins then Kochs win less, but they still win.

[LondonReign2]

82. Errr, except that the Third Way *is* part of the Koch network

Oi

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. So now Democratic voters are uneducated? What education did you recieve

that taught you were are better off with a GOP White House than a Hillary White House?

[revbones]

79. You might want to re-read for context.

That was a reply to someone saying they hadn't heard of it and indicating Hillary followers wouldn't care even if they did know - hence my comment about their opinion saying that they should remain uneducated on things such as that. Should I break it down further?

[frylock]

30. I'll bet you've heard of the Koch bros though.

Are you cool with them influencing policy?

[islandmkl]

49. why...the Koch Bros. would NEVER have anything to do with any Democrats, would they?

the answer: only if they want (or need) to...

anyone who 'doesn't know and doesn't care' about how the Democratic Party has been changed, directed away from its core principles it practiced since the days of FDR, all as a result of the true hijacking of the Party since 1988 by Al From and the DLC/Third Way cabal...

well, that's why the (D) behind many names is no different than having an (R) attached...

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

56. I can't believe you just posted this in this thread. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I retract

my previous statement crediting you as a sophisticated voter.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

54. Stop it. Everyone has a bias and should examine how their bias impacts their decisions

For 20 years it's been safe to belittle poor whites for voting against their best interests. No one is immune. In general, DUers are happy Third Waders. For some people ignorant of the Third Way, they're eager to see the first woman POTUS. For others, Bernie's not a Democrat. For others, they let their favorite endorser do their thinking. You're sophisticated. I'm happy for you, but I expect that from DUers, whom I don't regard as typical (operative word in OP). Hillary has far more ignorant supporters than well informed. That's America.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

11. Who said..."Third Way is a Wall Street funded think tank that is purported to be Democratic"

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Rachel Maddow picked up this DailyKos story! At least she wasn't fond of the Third-Way in 2013. She even seems eager to watch the Progressives take down the Third Way (see video). But that was then...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024167502



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/liberal-wing-rages-at-wall-street-democrats-88122947825

[polichick]

12. Lately it looks like Rachel is hoping for a job in HRC's Third Way administration.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

16. No question. Not in doubt for months. I think Hayes is, as well

which is more disappointing to me.

[polichick]

19. To me too.

[islandmkl]

61. TW helps with the salary boosts...with the added insulation of not being an actual Repub...

by association, anyway....

[Dem2]

13. Third way is a canard

Used as a cudgel by snots who think they're more politically informed than the lowly "typical Democratic voter"

All one does is create friction and create factions within the party when arguing this silly crap, which is by design. I'll let the reader figure out the rest.

[polichick]

14. LOL

[frylock]

34. IKR?!

"typical Democratic voter" seems to have a chip on their shoulder!

[Dem2]

81. Passive aggressive?

[frylock]

83. All day long.

[notadmblnd]

47. Admittedly you are not politically informed

So just what is it that you base your vote on? Name recognition? Gender?

Certainly it is not issues because you're not politically informed like the rest of us snots.

[Dem2]

52. Are you serious?

You're going with the...

[notadmblnd]

53. You're the one claiming ignorance

I have no problem with my self esteem and am secure in my knowlege- so why you posted that response is a mystery to me.

Unless that is what you need to tell yourself everyday?

[Dem2]

55. Did I now?

Perhaps you will re-read my post and point out where I said that. I know far too much about this fake-ass argument, thank you very much.

[notadmblnd]

57. You said it is a canard used as a cudgel

A canard by definition is an unfounded rumor, a hoax or something not true. The DLC no longer officially exist but 3rd wayers, neo-liberals and conservadems do exist and in my opinion are republicans disguised as Democrats. And if you're to deny their existence- you are not knowledgeable politically.

Hence, you are claiming ignorance.

[Dem2]

64. The numbers are so small as to be insignificant

But feel free to spend all of your time on these arguments.

[notadmblnd]

65. You took us down this road. I simply asked what you base your vote on

Which I'll point out- you never bothered to answer.

You have a good day now.

[Dem2]

66. I base it on what flavor of ice cream they like, of course!

Doesn't everybody?

[notadmblnd]

69. No, that's just for the low info voters

nt

[Broward]

74. No, the Third Wayers, and you may be one, are a destructive force for average Americans.

They have been complicit in the rightward shift of both parties.

[Dem2]

75. OK

[Kip Humphrey]

78. Lookie here, an honest answer! Proving again that telling 3rd-Way Republicrats that

they are R/W conservatives is speaking in tautologies.

[Dem2]

80. OK?

[MineralMan]

15. Well, the DLC has been defunct for quite some time, so

probably not. The Third Way is also not well-known, except with some politically aware people.

On DU, we're all familiar with them, from having them mentioned multiple times per day here.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

39. In name only, MM, not in fact

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We learned 2007-2008 was a charade by early 2009 with the appointments of Summers, Geithner, Holder, the bailout of WS, and straight through to today, with the TPP and nomination of Garland. Third Way is alive and well.

[hobbit709]

18. Oh, they know all right. But Denial is just a river to them.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

41. No. DUers know. But the "man on the street." Complete ignoramous. That's hurting Bernie.

[Senator Tankerbell]

21. In my own experience, most people in general are not familiar

Even people who are politically active and read the newspaper every day. Most people don't really dig very deep and try to figure out why candidates and parties take the positions they take. Some aren't that interested. Others are just too busy. You aren't going to learn very much just passively taking in the information that the for-profit media decides to give you. It would be interesting to me if Bernie started talking more specifically about the history of the various factions of the party but I'm not sure if it would be very effective politically.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

44. It would with MSNBC, and Rachel Maddow in particular. She had strong opinions against it in 2013.

I would love to watch Bernie use Rachel's position against her and push back against Hillary. Right now, it's one-way traffic on her show, and Hillary is getting a free pass.

[merrily]

25. My experience is that most people, regardless of whom they support, never heard of them.

I am talking about Democrats who are well read, watch the news on TV, listen to it on the radio, read newspapers, discuss politics with family and friends and so on.

All they've heard about, if anything, are the bs memes about McGovern.

Once they find out about the DLC/Third Way takeover of the Democratic Party, they are both shocked and hopping mad. They also start telling their friends.

Everyone I know is voting for, or has voted for Sanders, with the exception of my one Republican relative. I'm afraid to ask him who he will vote for.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

58. "e they find out about the DLC/Third Way takeover of the Democratic Party, they are both shocked and

"e they find out about the DLC/Third Way takeover of the Democratic Party, they are both shocked and hopping mad."

That's why I started the thread. People would benefit greatly from historical context. Gain an understanding of why there is no longer a Party for "We the People."

It's right for people to get pissed off.

[djean111]

27. Some have been real quick to exclaim "The DLC is dead!" - as if we can't follow that

oozing trail to the right, to the Third Way. The Clintons' foundation grabbed the DLC files when it disbanded (to emerge as the Third Way).

Kinda insulting that some supporters don't think the rest of us know how to use teh Google.

New Democrat Coalition is advised by the Third Way. A LOT of "our" elected politicians belong to it. I won't be voting for or supporting any of them, when given the option. DINOs, or else yeah, the Democratic Party has changed into something else that I do not feel I can belong to.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

60. Thanks for that! I said the DLC/Third Way was dead in name only, but not in fact

Didn't know they actually renamed themselves lol

[amborin]

28. maybe not; Ehrenreich was thought to be a right wing journalist, so....

[PufPuf23]

29. The current Clinton supporters at DU ignore that neo-liberalism

which is neither progressive in basic sense nor liberal.

Neo-liberal use identity politics to win elections then use the political system to concentrate wealth and power.

The DLC and Third Way are neoliberal.

[RiverLover]

36. Very much so. Which to me is the same as being republican.

Which makes the current Democratic Party leadership DINO. Which is reprehensible.

[Land of Enchantment]

33. Nope. But in their defense I think they are not paying attention to the

stakes in this race because they have bought the 'inevitability' of the outcome. IF they are getting their information from the MSM they see nothing different from past elections. The same old people are dragged out to spew the same old talking points. Donna Brazile, Paul Begala, James Carville, Ed Rendell, Bob Shrum, Robert Gibbs et al. When I see them (which is rare these days because I don't watch MSM any more) I cringe and change the channel but others who are inured to the babble listen to these asshats.

If you want to make a memorable and different omelette you have to use not only fresh eggs but also new spices.

[RandySF]

35. DLC closed shop years ago.

[islandmkl]

50. merely replaced by the Third Way...

[mariawr]

42. It was a takeover and rightward shove of the party. Kicked.

[hrmjustin]

48. I never had until a few years ago.

[Go Vols]

62. I have not met a Clinton supporter IRL.

But I will ask if I do.

[brooklynite]

63. I'm not only familiar with Third Way, I've actually taken the time to meet with them...

Are they Centrists (not RWers)?. Yes they are.

Do they advocate moderate economic policies? Yes they do.

What devious means do they use to implement their goals? Words.

Yes, words! They're a think-tank. They develop policy papers and proposals and present them to elected officials, candidates and the public. And those audiences choose to listen, or not.

Perhaps if DFA or MoveON did the same, they might have the same clout.

[Armstead]

67. If only they were that innocuous...

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

71. Lol wow, that was a treat

[fun n serious]

68. Who cares about labels.

I live Obama. I want more of him or close. If that makes me Third Way DNC , Establishment... so be it. Why would I care about a label?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

72. You Failed the thread. I can't help you.

But I did make your point regarding Obama in #39. Still, thread Fail.

[Armstead]

73. If you're for this, then by all means, join them

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/10/06/struggle-for-soul-democratic-party-pits-wall-street-backed-think-tank-against-elizabeth-warren/pYk3SXRnZDmpi7C7N4ZpXN/story.html

Excerpt:

Third Way, backed by Wall Street titans, corporate money, and congressional allies, is publicly warning against divisive “soak-the-rich” politics voiced by populist Democrats. Its target: Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts senator whose rise to power two years ago helped galvanize Democratic grass roots against Wall Street and pushed the issue of income inequality to the forefront.

This is more than a grudge match. At stake for the Democratic Party is the support of middle-class, swing voters who decide elections.

Third Way ignited a clash in December when its leaders essentially declared war on Warren in a guest column in the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal, warning Democrats not to follow Warren and New York Mayor Bill de Blasio “over the populist cliff.”

Many on the left were shocked, and angered. Warren’s allies saw Third Way as a proxy — being used by her enemies on Wall Street to scare off the rest of the party.


For their part, Third Way representatives bristle at the idea they are doing the bidding of Wall Street power brokers.

With the income gap growing between most of the nation’s taxpayers and the wealthiest 1 percent, the battle is over how aggressively the party’s candidates — including, potentially, Hillary Clinton — will contrast themselves with Republicans on tax and economic issues in 2016.

The philosophy set out by Third Way will be part of that conversation.

The organization publicly discloses little about its funding. But a Globe examination of public documents and the backgrounds of its leadership offers a window into how some wealthy Wall Street and business interests — who contribute generously to Democratic candidates — have sought to tip the Democratic Party’s intellectual debate against populism.

Third Way raises just over a third of its $9.3 million annual budget from undisclosed corporations. The remainder, the bulk of its funding, is donated by individuals, almost all of whom are members of Third Way’s board of trustees.

The group is dominated by executives from the financial industry, people who are typically the targets of the populist rhetoric of Warren, and sometimes even President Obama.

Two-thirds of its 31 trustees have held senior leadership positions in investment funds or big banks or served in some other capacity on Wall Street. .....MORE