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What a difference 8 years make. (Original Post) Chichiri Mar 2016 OP
Shhh ... This will surely prompt post upon post about "low information voters". 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #1
The lowest information I have seen lately is this crap about bettyellen Apr 2016 #25
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #28
It's a sticking point- he's told us he has one litmus test for SC- and its bettyellen Apr 2016 #30
Why can't people understand that very simple point? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #31
Maybe she'll give a speech in which she says, Doctor_J Mar 2016 #2
What a difference a few days make... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #3
That's nice. Will he get 50 out of 86 delegates? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #4
Math... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #5
Sure -- but to start, he needs 50 of Wisconsin's 86 delegates. Will he get them? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #10
moving goalposts... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #11
That he could win by 15 points? A little, but not quite that much. Chichiri Apr 2016 #12
Back Channels... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #15
LOL!!! Chichiri Apr 2016 #18
I'm not worrying... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #19
Because it's all proportional. Nobody can put it away until June 7th. Chichiri Apr 2016 #20
LMAO... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #21
You didn't answer my question. What will your excuse be? nt Chichiri Apr 2016 #22
This one?... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #23
So you're saying Bernie's going to get 56% of New York's delegates? nt Chichiri Apr 2016 #24
That's the goal... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #26
Hold that thought. Nt Chichiri Apr 2016 #32
What is becoming crystal clear Aerows Apr 2016 #27
You mean the more they HEAR him. Not the more they LEARN ABOUT him. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #29
This. Nt Chichiri Apr 2016 #33
I'll take that, too! n/t Aerows Apr 2016 #34
Out of a sample of like 70 people KingFlorez Mar 2016 #6
Reminds me of MI... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #7
Where Sanders won, but got very few delegates KingFlorez Mar 2016 #8
Yeah, but those are black voters in a really white state Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #13
HRC internal #s are starting to tank HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #16
Seemed like that was the case Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #17
bern enid602 Mar 2016 #9
Interesting! Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #14
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. The lowest information I have seen lately is this crap about
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton giving away our reproductive rights.

Morons have no idea what she has done for the last twenty years. It really hit home with me how much staying out of "identity politics" has helped Sanders appear to be accomplished. And how phony it was to slander Planned Parenthood, when he knows how much harder she has fought for them over the years.

Not having it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. Yeah ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

"staying out of the 'identity politics' has helped Sanders appear to be accomplished".

I loved the statement made by the Amsterdam News in it's endorsement of HRC: {something to the effect of} We must have missed the Bernie led protests of voter disenfranchisement and civil rights out of Vermont.



Bernie really torn it the other day with his "Womens rights are important; but, they detract from the REALLY important issues we face" comment. He tried to play it like he was talking about trump making another stupid comment; but, that's not what his words said!



 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. It's a sticking point- he's told us he has one litmus test for SC- and its
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

CU. not sure how anyone can convince me this is not a one issue crusade. One that has the balls to impugn the good names of so many people and organizations that worked for other issues.
Why wouldn't we feel like the other?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
31. Why can't people understand that very simple point? ...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

When you say something, people listen and then assess how what you said affects them.

Most PoC have heard what he has been saying (is his default position) ... and now, some women are, too.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
2. Maybe she'll give a speech in which she says,
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

"...Senator Sanders' support among working, hard-working Americans, black Americans, is weakening again, and blacks...who have not completed college are supporting me. there's a pattern emerging"

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
5. Math...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

22 Primaries remain, Bernie needs 56% or better to beat HRC through those remaining 22...

so yep... HRC is in BIG trouble, I like Bernie's chances

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
11. moving goalposts...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

that's more than 56% but ok, let's play the moving the goalposts game...

Why is HRC losing in WI now? Why has she basically pulled out of WI and moved onto NY?

Do I believe Bernie is capable of achieving 50, yes, the question I would pose to you... do that concern you that he could...

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
12. That he could win by 15 points? A little, but not quite that much.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

The demographics favor Bernie more in Wisconsin than in other upcoming states, that's why he needs more than 56% there.

And if she's pulled out of Wisconsin, you may want to tell her that, because she's coming to Eau Claire and Milwaukee tomorrow.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
15. Back Channels...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

yeah right... save that for the folks that don't know better, that aren't policy wonks and that follow politics pretty deeply

Shall we talk internal numbers? I doubt you will be I'll give ya a chance...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/hillary-clintons-support-_b_9579544.html

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
18. LOL!!!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:15 PM
Apr 2016

This would be the same Seth Abramson who last week argued that Bernie is actually winning the election, it's just that no one but him realizes it!

You'll have to do better than that.

But if you don't, that's okay. I'll enjoy your misery on June 7th all the more if you don't see it coming.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
19. I'm not worrying...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016

since we have 22 primaries to go, Bernie just needs 56% or better within each of those remaining to beat HRC

I just have to ask, why can't HRC put this primary away? Each month that passes and he's closing the gap reaffirms that Seth is correct

Each passing primary that Bernie meets or exceeds that 56% threshold will reduce that threshold...

I'll let the facts stand, the internal polling numbers are looking bad for HRC and all I have to do is wait and point to each primary that passes along now to prove that out to ya

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
20. Because it's all proportional. Nobody can put it away until June 7th.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

And unless you're doing something illegal, you don't have access to Hillary's internals. (If you're trying to deduce them from her behavior, I'll simply point out how much she has shifted her attention to the general election, while Bernie has again and again broken his promise to run a positive campaign, which he would only do if he feels it's his only chance.)

So there's a chance, albeit a small one, that Bernie will get 56% of the delegates from Wisconsin (he needs more than that, but let that pass for now). He'll probably get it in Wyoming. What I want to know is, what will your excuse be when he doesn't get it from New York?

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
21. LMAO...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

She can shift all she'd like... the rest of the primary is kicking her back-end and she's scrambling and losing her composure as she TRIES to pivot to GE only to have reality smack her in the face

Notice the narrative / optics that's playing out in the news cycle today?

this:



 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
23. This one?...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:04 PM
Apr 2016

"What I want to know is, what will your excuse be when he doesn't get it from New York?"

why would I make an 'excuse' for someone that's closing the gap so quickly?

facts prove out Bernie's ability to close gap and overcome Hillary, WI is an example of that, recall MI? Same thing there.... single primary and given time to campaign gives Bernie the edge

So again, I'm not the one worried...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. What is becoming crystal clear
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

is that the longer this drags on, and the more people learn about Bernie Sanders, the more they want to vote for him.



KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
6. Out of a sample of like 70 people
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

Statistically that sample is so small that it's almost impossible to glean anything about it. With that said, Sanders would be leading by a lot more than 6% if he was carrying the black vote by 10%. Just saying.

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