2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy is she always snippy? If they really were Bernie supporters why couldn't she just say
We welcome you, please sit down & join us and listen to what my plans are if I win the Presidency?
But no - she had to scold them.
Told them to leave.
She had to say I have more votes, so nannynanny poopoo
I I I I I have experience.
You never listen.
Was this really any different than how she handled the BLM activist that paid to go to her fundraiser?
Or the woman that asked her a question at a coffee shop?
Nope it wasn't. Every time Hillary is confronted with an opposing viewpoint, instead of welcoming them she turns on the snark.
One of the things I loved about Candidate Obama in 2008 is when he was confronted with a protester or an opposing viewpoint, he always listened and let them talk. He would then answer their concerns....even when that question came from Joe Plumber.
I don't know if they were Bernie supporters (it's just hearsay) or if they were Trump supporters. It doesn't matter. Being condescending to people does not earn you votes.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-quick-cuts/watch/sanders-supporters-interrupt-clinton-event-655915075535
astrophuss42
(290 posts)I don't want this in my living room for 4 years.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)aggghhhhhhh
Tweety had a funny line when he mocked the "tone" remark -- he said it sounded like a nun school teacher.
elleng
(137,262 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)nt
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)she doesn't sit there and take abuse.
Don't pick a fight with her unless you want a fight.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)and her first instinct is to snip and be MORE nasty than they are.
Remember when Bernie was interrupted by the BLM protestors? He stopped and let them speak.
I'm not saying that she needed to do that, but what you suggested would have been a great response.
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)You have to speak to people in a language they understand.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Her supporters are doing her no favors. If this is going to be the "tone" of a Clinton presidency, count me out. The whole thing is very Trump-like
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)grateful when assholes get in her face.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)There are a whole range of responses between what she did and what you suggest.
One of her major accomplishments -- at least according to the Hillary gang -- is that in addition to being married to Bill Clinton, she served for a couple of years as a diplomat.
A diplomat is supposed to be able to respond to things like this without getting catty. She apparently failed in that aspect of diplomacy as she did in so many others.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This is why she did well in New York
Especially when they disrespect you.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Jeebus, the victim complex with some people.
http://abc7ny.com/politics/hillary-clinton-faces-disruptive-bernie-sanders-supporters-in-new-york/1270432/
Hillary Clinton was giving a spirited defense of her campaign proposals and her lead in the Democratic primaries when she was disrupted by a group of Bernie Sanders supporters ahead of her home state's primary.
A few minutes into Clinton's remarks on the campus of Purchase College, about 20 Sanders supporters shouted, "If she wins, we lose," and began walking out.
They heckled her and walked out, and yet you find a way to make her the bad guy.
Clinical.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when they aren't treated like royalty in return
jillan
(39,451 posts)given the opportunity to earn their vote instead of yelling at them?
Instead of yelling at the young girl in the coffee shop? Or the BLM activist?
You attract more bees with honey.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)those assholes are Bernie hecklers or the House Benghazi Committee.
She is not Obama. She does not say "gee let's all get along."
She says "You tell me to go to hell? I tell you to go to hell."
She is a fighter.
She's not willing to be anyone's punching bag.
If someone picks a fight with her, they'll get a fight, not a hug.
global1
(25,990 posts)Hillary's reaction to this outburst was handled exactly like Trump would handle it.
He's a fighter. He's not willing to be anyone's punching bag. If someone picks a fight with him, they'll get a fight and not a hug.
I'm surprised you condone this - because if this happened at a Trump rally - you would probably be criticizing Trump and his method of handling it.
Or maybe you'll just vote for Trump if Bernie becomes the Dem nominee - because you admire that type of conduct.
jillan
(39,451 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)was the play
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I have always respected Obama's "I love you back" confidence. Hillary's defensiveness and confrontational style would be a very unfortunate shift.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Clinton talked about how many votes she had received.
Get a grip.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Look what she did to Iraq, Libya, Honduras, Syria, etc.
The hallmark of a true LEADER is one who is able to use the velvet glove.
Hillary doesn't have one of those, and there is nowhere to BUY one.
It is a matter of character.
If you don't have it, you never will.
Since when do protesters only there to disrupt say something once and walk out? Seems a little odd.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Most chant until they are thrown out. I just find this odd. They chant once and then Hillary spills her practiced response? Weird.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)enough to take it.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Here's a question. Where's the video taken by the protesters? They usually video themselves, you know "bragging rights" to fellow protesters. Usually gets posted on youtube. Anybody seen that yet? Or do we just have the video from the Hillary campaign?
The one showing her immediately giving her snappy little comeback, cause you know, she's sooooo tough.
yardwork
(64,942 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Response to AzDar (Reply #11)
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riversedge
(73,707 posts)And name-dropping..
NEW YORK --
Hillary Clinton was giving a spirited defense of her campaign proposals and her lead in the Democratic primaries when she was disrupted by a group of Bernie Sanders supporters ahead of her home state's primary.
A few minutes into Clinton's remarks on the campus of Purchase College, about 20 Sanders supporters shouted, "If she wins, we lose," and began walking out.
"The Bernie people came to say that," she said. "We're very sorry you're leaving."
http://abc7ny.com/politics/hillary-clinton-faces-disruptive-bernie-sanders-supporters-in-new-york/1270432/
AzDar
(14,023 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Based on the chants.
Why would the automatic assumption be that they were Bernie supporters?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)gloating retorts. Loving the photo-op.
This is not inner strength. This is pathetic.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)after she did the knee jerk scolding and tongue-lashing.
It was a photo-op. Perfect for prime time.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Oh why did I ask that question? With our worthless media it is a useless question.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)They're there for the money. They're PAID protesters so.... why have them stay?
Everything is my opinion only. IMHO. IMO. Etc, etc,
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Peaceful protesters at that.
http://www.libertyunionparty.org/?page_id=363
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)lob1
(3,820 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)He says they are paid.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Any evidence to back that up?
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)No composure.
SamKnause
(13,930 posts)She is so rude, condescending, and off putting.
ANY candidate who responds this way needs to check themselves. An appropriate response would be to deny it, encourage the person accusing to research, and let them know they have been led astray by false information.
But not Hillary, she likes to scold, poke a finger. (almost touching)
You know, the same behavior Hillary supporters say Bernie exhibits and find disgusting.
It's good to be Queen, let the peons know where their place is.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)the four year olds that live across the street skipping rope. But, maybe someone can tell me what they yelled, and I'll change my mind.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's as if people are discovering that Hillary Clinton doesn't back down from a fight.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)A valid question as she has taken money from donors who own fossil fuel companies. You would have to go look up names but Goldman Sachs does own some. And this person was not a Sanders support but a Green Peace member, no way for Clinton to know but she had to spin it and be rude to this girl.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)... and to portray Hillary as being above the fray.
It's a variation on the "change your tone" red herring.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)wouldnt last a week in her position or Bernie's
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)it's dividing more and more. She had best work on being more inclusive than alienating those that would vote for her. IMO that was an utterly stupid move on her part.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)So naturally one of the first things she says: "I got 2.5 million more votes than Bernie, etc."
Bernie would be more inclined to emphasize the success of the campaign team, should he win a state.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I swear, anything less than Clinton allowing herself to be dragged off staged and kicked by hecklers is considered to be unfair and snippy.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Which is sexist!
Uhm, unless it's Bernie Sanders. Then, ok.
jillan
(39,451 posts)that even have to do with sexism?
When people say Bernie yells too much should I start calling it anti-semitism? of course not.
That would be just as silly.
Prism
(5,815 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)of people.
riversedge
(73,707 posts)the shouting and then walked out. They were there to disrupt. Simple as that.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)is the nominee. We must have a Democrat in the WH 2016.
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Beacool
(30,335 posts)MFM008
(20,016 posts)Who walks out of interviews, yells like the old guy telling kids to get off his lawn. Gets red faced and rude. Come on, the guy needs a nap and his meds. Hes 75 years old. geez.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)can't control her anger for shit.Bernie is in better shape than her.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I should be surprised but I'm not.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)About time someone gave Team Vitriol a little taste of their own medicine.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)She'll put your $5 right next to the $500,000,000 she got from corporatists. That will buy you a photo of the Lincoln bedroom, not a stay in it, if you enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He's shooting for another record-breaking month by midnight.
riversedge
(73,707 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Voters are a hindrance to an efficient system of governance. You don't want to win them so much as you just want them to go away so that money and media influence can work their magic.
Our superdelegates have this... don't worry your pretty heads.