2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI have a feeling that President Obama loathes Bill and Hillary Clinton.
One, I LOVE my President and I'll never completely forgive Hillary and Bill Clinton for the things they said about Obama during the 2008 campaign. The Reverend Jeremiah Wright was started by Hillary. The Bill Ayres story was Hillary. The "was he born in America?" was Hillary. Everything that the Republicans still use today against Barack Obama was introduced by Hillary and Bill Clinton.
If you recall, Bill famously said to Ted Kennedy that, "Not too many years ago, Obama would have been getting our coffee." This caused Ted and the Kennedy family to announce their support for Barack Obama almost immediately. (From Game Change by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin.)
Bill also said in South Carolina that Obama's campaign was a "fairy-tale" with no chance of winning a general election.
Hillary took it to the wall and only withdrew when it was way past over in June. She endorsed Obama, but millions of her PUMA supporters did not. They marched their Obama hate right into the McCain campaign. Much of it was racist. I know some white Hillary supporters who said "It's not because he's black," but it was.
I believe that in order to get Hillary's endorsement he had to offer her VP or Secretary of State. He was too smart to pick her as Veep, so she got the job that already had been promised to John Kerry, Secretary of State.
Hillary was always problematic. Obama was allegedly pissed when he found out about the private email server in her home. And they disagreed vehemently over getting rid of Ghaddafy - which she plunged forward with nevertheless. I think her deal at SoS was for four years so she could get going on the Presidential race for 2016, and Kerry got the SoS job for the second term. However, when Obama was down in the ratings in 2012, I see Bill and Hillary offering the Big Speech and Endorsement at the convention in exchange for Obama's endorsement of Hillary in 2016. Ergo, Bill's big speech.
But, and I'm pretty darned good at body language, I believe that Barack and Michelle do NOT like the Clintons. I think they'd like nothing more than to see her go down. They just can't say so out loud.
I see the Clintons as triangulating sharks, and I wouldn't trust either of them as far as I could throw them. Alas, I'll vote for her if she's the nominee. I'm no shameful PUMA.
But I'm getting a tingling that Bernie is going to win. Bernie is actually going to win, because he's the ONLY candidate with a sound mind, a big heart, and a progressive spirit, the ONLY one.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)And if you ask me who is right and who is wrong, not knowing the specific issues at all, I pick Jimmy Carter. The man who said "I"ll never lie to you," never did and never has.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Obama, the bushes and Clinton are standing side-by-side and Carter is standing away from them by himself. He looks really uptight. It was a great, great picture. GO, JIMMY!
Oh and I agree 1 zillion percent with the OP. The Clintons are the neutron bomb that keeps exploding.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Haven't we learned anything about corruption in high places yet?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but he coaxed and wooed her after she initially was going to turn him down. They also worked together to get Obama elected in the GE. She worked hard for him and the rest of the ticket. Of course.
Now, exuberant, chatty, ultimate-people-person Bill is not cool, restrained Obama's type.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)President Carter's thought bubble: 'I wish I was somewhere building houses for people.'
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)elleng
(131,073 posts)Whether such 'loathing' continues?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)elleng
(131,073 posts)and sometimes it's actually necessary.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)It's a gut thing, plus getting Bernie to run - the only guy in Washington with no DNC blackmail?
It's a gut thing, but I think he's got his home team doing some serious house cleaning.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:09 PM - Edit history (2)
Glad to hear others saying this. Among my Bernie supporter friends, we see this as a very real possibility.
A simple Google search reveals articles that detail how Hillary and Obama were at odds on foreign policy.
As SOS, she has her personal email server walled off from Obama. She was corresponding with and sending classified email to Sid Blumenthal, a man who Obama rejected as one of Clinton's advisers--after Clinton requested that Blumenthal be in her team.
This is also interesting:
Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send or store classified information on personal email.
President Obama issued this executive order on Dec 29, 2009.
senz
(11,945 posts)Verry interesting.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Very interesting, indeed.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)In case you get any naysayers
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R41528.pdf
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)She deserves it. He cannot be happy about her back-stabbing.
JI7
(89,262 posts)And he would have encouraged Biden to run and endorsed him in the primary.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)watch her better this way and still she done him wrong.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And don't you ever forget it!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Bill called Obama incompetent and an amateur who has no clue about how the world operates, according to an article in the Washington Post by Ed Klein, author of The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)I remember times when there was a threshold of sources not acceptable here
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)being used to attack Democrats.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)you Ignorant Self Centered Asshole.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)brooklynite
(94,703 posts)Bottom line: Barack Obama is a mainstream Democrat; Hillary Clinton is a mainstream Democrat; DWS is a mainstream Democrat. They all get along well with each other, and what happened in an election 8 years ago has long been forgotten.
FWIW - I learned long ago not to assume that what -I- think about political candidates isn't always what everyone else thinks.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Obama and Hillary Clinton are like day and night when it comes to the most critical issue--foreign policy.
She's a neocon hawk, who chose Robert Kagan (the founder of the neocon movement) to be one of her advisers. When she was SOS, Clinton communicated extensively with Sid Blumenthall, a man who Obama rejected as one of Clinton's SOS advisers--after Hillary lobbied for him.
But she communicated with Blumenthal on a private server of which President Obama was unaware. That is telling beyond measure.
Dozens of articles about Obama and Hillary being at odds on foreign policy. When Obama said that his foreign-policy mantra would be "Don't do stupid shit", Hillary ran to The Atlantic and publicly criticized Obama for his words. She's an interventionist. Obama is more cautious and he's not a neocon toe sucker like Hillary.
These two are not as simpatico as many suggest.
My guess is that her 2008 "endorsement" and "enthusiastic campaigning" in 2008 was part of a deal. In return, Obama made Clinton part of his cabinet. That kind of deal is de rigueur in the national political scene. How she handled her stint as SOS--and that she had a private email server walled off from President Obama, speaks volumes.
polly7
(20,582 posts)investment in post-Libya at the time. I doubt very, very much that Obama would have approved.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The emails that has a red star, is one that Clinton failed to turn over to the FBI.
Sid Blumenthal didn't have a security clearance. He was also working for and being paid by the Clinton Foundation.
Interesting that Hillary could conduct these sensitive conversations with Blumenthal, behind the President's back. Meanwhile, Clinton has been credited with selling action in Libya to Obama.
"We must save the Libyans from a horrible dictator, Mr President"; while advocating for the neocon "business-stimulation" plan with Blumenthal on a server that Obama knew nothing about.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Before her vote was a mistake, she was gushing about business opportunities in Irag
senz
(11,945 posts)with maps of Iraqi oil fields spread out across the table.
Hillary and Dick know how to plan ahead. Movers and shakers, those two.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Ignore her blocking a wage increase for garment workers in Haiti, and her support for a rw coup in Honduras too!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Obama is no doubt pissed about Hillary running
a play for play out of the office of the SOS,
but I believe in the end - when it comes to
Third Wayers - money trumps all. Obama knows
the Clintons are where his bread is buttered.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)sheshe2
(83,859 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)who else would push through the TPP for
the POTUS, who considers that agreement
as a great achievement?
(Remember how he attacked EW about it?)
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I have often wondered if Obama likes them, really.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Either way, it was a blunder for Clinton that drove Ted Kennedy away in disgust.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,525 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Yuge difference.
One's a self-serving enemy and completely untrustworthy, the other is a patriot and entirely truthworthy.
Obama's no idiot.
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BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Including all the correspondence with and advice from Sid Blumenthal, who Obama had banished from the White House because he was convinced Blumenthal had spread false rumors about him and his family during the primary campaign.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-emails-benghazi-hearings-215083
<"Did the president -- the same White House that said you can't handle him, and can't hire him -- did he know that he was advising you?" Gowdy asked, noting that Blumenthal appeared to have emailed Clinton more often about Benghazi and Libya than anyone else.
"He was not advising me," Clinton replied. "I have no reason to have ever mentioned that or know that the president knew that."
And despite ample evidence on the public record for months that Clinton repeatedly asked Blumenthal to keep sending her updates on Libya and other matters, she repeated previous assertions that his advice was unsolicited.
"I did not ask him to send me the information that he sent me," Clinton said.
"You wrote to him, 'Another keeper, thanks' and 'Please keep them coming....Greetings from Kabul and thanks for keeping this stuff coming,'" Gowdy shot back.
Clinton then shifted slightly, conceding that she urged Blumenthal to keep up the flow. "They started out unsolicited and, as I said, some were of interest," she said.>
There is another email in which a Clinton aide told her that George Soros said he regretted supporting Obama in 2008 and should have supported Hillary (because she was always accessible to him and Obama wasn't). I'm sure there are plenty of others.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Also you left out this wonderful episode of Obama / Clinton history...
Clinton aides claim Obama photo wasn't intended as a smear
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)I'm not buying it. He may not like her on a personal level, but politically he's at worst neutral on her. He's actually been helpful to her campaign at times.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)...but he's a Chicago politician who knows how to play hardball and if he wanted to blow up her campaign he would have done it by now.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)of Freedom......yes, loathing.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)They have a very tight circle and if you are "in" you must do their bidding and if you are out, well you are OUT forever. Ask Bill Richardson.
It's much like the way the Mafia has operated. There is an Omerta with the Clintons. And, I hate that.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Totally with you.
madokie
(51,076 posts)and the United States of America.
He's honest, He's sharp as a whip, he has a plan that will work.
Did I mention that he's honest as the day is long? Solid as a rock and as kind hearted as one will find anywhere. Good man, Bernie Sanders, Good Woman Jane Sanders.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Most people would be a tad bit pissed off. But, he has been fully supportive, basically endorsing her.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Obama, per Valerie Jarrett, warned her multiple times.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Including Clinton. You know he wanted Joe. Deep down in his heart, he loves Joe.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Even to the point where ridiculous suppositions are feted like a Super Bowl champion.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)So I'll just discuss a few of them.
The birther story was not originated by the Clintons. It just wasn't.
Bill's fairy tale comment was in New Hampshire, not South Carolina, and it was a reference to Obama's record on the Iraq War. He was talking about the fact that in 2004 Obama said he didn't know how he would have voted and then as a Senator he voted to fund the war. Whether that was fair criticism or not, it had nothing to do with calling Obama a fairy tale candidate or discussing his prospects in the general election.
Hillary's withdrawal was early by historical standards. Obama finished the race hundreds of pledged delegates shy of what he needed the clinch the nomination. Every race that close in the past had always gone to the Convention. Every single one.
Obama never promised the SOS position to John Kerry or to Hillary Clinton. Like every president, he didn't pick his cabinet until the election was over.
It's insane to think that Hillary would have ever refused to endorse Barack in 2008. In fact, she endorsed him four days after the final vote when she announced that she was suspending her campaign.
Hillary didn't take part in the 2012 election, since she was the sitting Secretary of State. Bill did and there is no evidence of Obama having to bargain for his support, nor can I begin to imagine that Obama would ever be willing to do so.
Obama hasn't endorsed Hillary for 2016, although once we have a nominee it goes without saying that the president will support him or her.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in 84 and 88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here. Jan. 26, 2008, to reporters in Columbia, S.C.
Trying to pigeonhole Obama as the "black candidate" didn't work. Trying to pigeonhole Sanders as the "socialist candidate" won't work either.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)"he's run a good campaign everywhere"
I disagree that Bill was trying to pigeonhole Obama as a black candidate. He was simply acknowledging Obama's advantage in SC, although I admit that he shouldn't have said it. But we all say things we shouldn't. That's not the same thing as coming up with a calculating, diabolical scheme.
I don't think Hillary has really talked that much about Sanders being a socialist. But I do think it is legitimate to bring that up and discuss whether it is something that people want or whether it will negatively affect the ticket in November, current poll numbers not withstanding.
senz
(11,945 posts)I also sense deep Clinton-loathing in Michelle, Malia, and Sasha.
I get the impression that the ruthlessness and depravity of Bill and Hillary Clinton makes it difficult for others, even in the high-powered D.C. world, to deal with them. They seem to wheel and deal, always in pursuit of power, to an extent that cancels out whatever human qualities either of them might have developed.
She seems to blend best with high-powered holders of great wealth and with sycophants.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And don't tell me it's just politics. That's the problem. Politics.
If HRC wins in Nov, I hope she doesn't give Bernie a position in her White House, and vice versa.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)after conceding than Bernie will.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And they all know that's what they are doing and don't take anything personally. They are all lawyers and that tends to make a person understand you are just doing a job and it's not personal.
Obama doesn't seem the type of "loathe" anyone.
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MrWendel
(1,881 posts)how you started off by saying "I LOVE MY PRESIDENT".
FYI, It *is* possible to admire the president, and at the same time, despise the Clintons. I can personally attest to this.
senz
(11,945 posts)I've defended him from rightwingers since 2008 and worked my ass off for OFA from mid-2011 to Nov. 2012 to get him reelected.
Now please don't try to tie President Obama to Hillary Clinton. That's a terrible insult to Barack Obama. He is a far, far better person than Hillary Clinton.
So if I say NAFTA you won't go crazy and call him a failure of a president as Bernie supporters tend to do? And that It was wonderful of Bernie to try and primary him? Yeah. Obama love.
senz
(11,945 posts)Like many Bernie supporters, I have a good feel for Obama's heart and understand what he has been up against.
Bernie did not try to primary Obama. Bernie never tried to run for president until last spring. Got that?
The casual conversation that fuels the ugly Clinton campaign lie was Bernie on the phone with a caller who was disturbed about Obama planning to cut SS benefits to people currently receiving them -- and Bernie thinking out loud of ways to get Obama's attention, one of those ways being somebody primarying him in 2012. Period.
So the liars took that innocuous little tidbit and ran with it. But it doesn't hold water.
Yes: I have always been an Obama supporter.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)history I see. Your right, lies won't work. Unless you have a time machine, trying to change the record won't work either...
The 2012 Obama Campaign Took Bernie Sanders' Primary Threat Seriously
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/obama-campaign-took-bernie-sanders-primary-threat-seriously
I'm still waiting on your feelings on NAFTA. Does that make him less of a liberal or not?
senz
(11,945 posts)Your link is to a hit piece on Bernie Sanders featuring the "opinion" of David Plouffe who is in the bag for Hillary. It was full of shit. Bernie thought a primary challenge would bring the President around. Actually, progressive pressure worked: President Obama backed away from reducing Social Security benefits.
You keep asking about NAFTA. NAFTA was and is hell for working Americans, but NAFTA was Bill Clinton's work, not Obama's.
What do I think of President Obama's performance? I think he tried to do the best he could within a horribly compromised system -- compromised primarily by Reagan and Clinton. He accomplished some good things and his heart was in the right place. I think the 1% leans heavily on presidents, making it hard for them to function. And I think Barack Obama hoped he could bring people together. I honor him for trying.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)including the New York Post is a piece of shit. Anything critical or challenging Bernie activates the hyper-sensitivity and hurt feelings in some of his supporters. Imagine an alternate universe where he actually has to face republicans.
senz
(11,945 posts)More importantly and more to the point of your comment, Bernie Sanders is an entirely different person from most of his supporters. On a Venn diagram, we (Bernie and supporters) would overlap strongly in the area of values and world view, but we are widely divergent in life experiences and personality types. Unlike his supporters, Bernie is a very experienced politician with over a quarter of a century of experience in D.C. getting things done and being reelected every few years. He is not naive. He is not inexperienced. He has paid advisors who also know the ropes. He may not be as dirty as Hillary, but he knows all the types one encounters in D.C. and American politics.
Bernie will handle Republicans in his own way. His way may not be typical, but no one can deny that he has succeeded rather smashingly in coming out of obscurity nearly a year ago, with no corporate funding, no PAC money, no organization, to become a very serious, viable contender against Hillary Clinton. So he seems to know what he is doing.
As one of his supporters and a lifelong Democrat, I've encountered Republican insanity and bullshit forever, from Nixon through Reagan and the Bushes. I've spent the past eight years defending President Obama from their ignorant, racist, brainwashed attacks. Not all of his supporters are as devoted to President Obama as me, but many of them are, and all of us know about Republicans.
So I think Bernie and his supporters can deal with Republicans. Furthermore, I would expect the Democratic establishment to stand behind Bernie if he wins the nomination.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)and delegate (or the "Maths" count say otherwise.
senz
(11,945 posts)to which I replied rather fully.
Then you did what so many Hill supporters do: you ignored every interesting thing I said and resorted to what amounts to a school boy taunt: "So what? We're winning."
That is the point at which so many Hill supporters shrink down to near-invisibility and we determine that you're just not worth talking to.
Adios, MrWendel.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)you overestimated the part where you said "interesting".
MFM008
(19,818 posts)assume?
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I'm positive I think the world of Obama.
My sense has been that Obama is supporting Hillary.
I don't know why he is and it kind of bothers me because I admire him so much.
I would also agree that the lying, deception, dirty tricks, overturning his rule on lobbyist money, the Clinton Foundation kickbacks, Sidney Blumenthal (and probably many more) are not things that he is happy about and some of those tainted "no drama Obama" administration - that otherwise didn't have a lot of scandal.
But maybe Obama feels Bernie is not a real Dem like many other Dems.
Again, I'm not sure.
As much as I like Obama, he cannot pick who I feel that I must support.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Still have many running around still believing the birther crap and trying to blame that one on Hillary, those who still hold to the lie Obama is a Muslim and much more just plain crap. Does not make it true and to be plain honest all of these talking points do not change the fact Hillary served very well as SOS on the Obama administration, nominated Obama on the convention floor, both Hillary and Bill campaigned for Obama. Three truly dedicated Democrats who have worked for progressive ideas.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)maybe both.
I'm clueless about what Obama thinks about the Clintons
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)with a bit of confirmation bias thrown in for good measure.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)dragonfly301
(399 posts)why did Obama choose Comey to be FBI chief when Comey investigated the Clintons 20 years ago and had some not so complimentary things to say about Hillary.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)to vote. I know male Sanders supporters who say it's not because she's a woman, but it is.
senz
(11,945 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's a fact. Hillary ran the dirtiest, most racist campaign imaginable in the primary against President Obama.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)have used a magic wand to get around Republican obstructionism. He's the one that want to rip his legacy, the ACA, apart.
amborin
(16,631 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I read 'True Believer' by David Axelrod and he wrote that Bill Clinton was the first person President Obama called to thank after he was re-elected in 2012
Because
This you do not have to verify:
But the other thing that Ill always remember is the sheer strength, determination, endurance, stick-to-it-ness, never-give-up attitude that Hillary had during those primaries. I mean, we had as competitive and lengthy and expensive and tough primary fight as there has been in modern American politics, and she had to do everything that I had to do, except, like Ginger Rogers, backwards in heels. She had to wake up earlier than I did because she had to get her hair done. She had to, you know, handle all the expectations that were placed on her. She had a tougher job throughout that primary than I did and, you know, she was right there the entire time and, had things gone a little bit different in some states or if the sequence of primaries and caucuses been a little different, she could have easily won.
-Barack Obama
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/off-message-podcast-transcript-obama-218167#ixzz44uCcLVX8
Does he love her? How do I know. I can only judge his actions. I don't know him personally and I wouldn't presume to know what any other individual really thinks, even my closest friends.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)For example, Bill Clinton's quote Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale Ive ever seen. was aimed at Obamas portrayal of Hillary as supporting Iraq war policies while he had been against the IWR (Obama was not in the Senate at the time).
"Bill Clinton, Jan. 8, 2008: It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didnt know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war. And you took that speech youre now running on off your website in 2004. And theres no difference in your voting record and Hillarys ever since. Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale Ive ever seen."
Zambero
(8,965 posts)For some reason, I do not recall that the 24/7 Rev. Wright / Bill Ayres echo chamber mantra put forth by the likes of Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly also included an endorsement by them of Hillary Clinton. Some revisionisms will actually stick when thrown against a wall. I'm not so sure about this one.
senz
(11,945 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)when people have worked closely together for four years.
I tend to prefer what the actual people say publicly. I take that over 'allegedly' and 'insiders say' types of stuff.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...all these folks here banking on the notion that Barack Obama 'hates' the Clintons.
What a sad revolution.
FSogol
(45,521 posts)Your mind is making a pattern that is not supported by the evidence only because you want to believe the pattern. In prehistoric times you would have interpreted the rustling grass as a friend approaching only to have been eaten by a saber-tooth tiger.
Good luck with future pattern recognition!
senz
(11,945 posts)I like it; it's going to fun to explore. Can already see how this trait figures into art, literature, religion, and socially constructed reality.
However, it's possible that you are not perceiving the situation clearly. I said "possible." Only Obama himself can say what he thinks and feels, and we know he's not going to tell the vast American public, probably not even in an autobiography. Perhaps close associates might spill -- but we don't know when or where.
I will say this: everything I have seen in Obama's interactions with Hillary have appeared strained with forced joviality. They are adults; they're not going to bicker like children. But it does not have the relaxed body language one sees in people who have close, trusting relationships.
fwiw
FSogol
(45,521 posts)While we cannot read his mind, he can view his actions better than a subjective reading of body language.
I doubt he has a problem with the Clintons.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But President Obama has painted himself into a corner by siding with the establishment for a safer shot at his "legacy." His legacy now depends 100% on getting the Clintons into the WH again.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)But by writing multiple paragraphs based on your mere conjecture, you want to come off as sounding confident in your baseless speculation.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Obama clearly gave H. Clinton the Secretary of State position in a deal (which are made all the time, obviously) but she couldn't have endeared herself to him by going against his wishes and paying Blumenthal a salary through the Clinton Foundation and using him as an advisor on the QT with the help of that computer in the basement.