The Panama Papers & Hillary...here we go!

[pinebox]

Oh oh.....
Another day and it looks like the Clinton's are about to be embroiled in yet ANOTHER scandal.

UBS is caught in the middle of the scandal, a bank who funneled millions to the Clinton's after Hillary helped them. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

Unleash the Kraken!

https://blogs.state.gov/stories/2011/10/13/passage-colombia-panama-and-south-korea-trade-agreements

[nc4bo]

1. I smell sulfur. Where in the hell is that smell coming from? nt

[VulgarPoet]

2. Wonder who she's gonna throw on the sword this time. nt

[Politicalboi]

3. More right wing crap I suppose they'll say

[berni_mccoy]

7. David Sirota is going under the bus!

[pinebox]

13. LMFAO they just did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1645620
Because God forbid they actually notice the .gov link in the OP lolol

[dana_b]

4. who is surprised?

Anyone? Bueller?

[Baitball Blogger]

5. What an incredibly small world we live in.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Whoops! Damned baggage car is leaking again. Send for the CYA writers.

[grasswire]

8. I need a tutorial on the Panama Papers.

Got one handy?

[pinebox]

9. Here you go

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-35918844
This only the first release, more is coming.

[berni_mccoy]

10. Here you go:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers

[Nanjeanne]

24. This TIME article talks about how this has got to affect global capitalism

http://time.com/4280864/panama-papers-capitalism/?xid=tcoshare

This one from The Nation is good too: http://www.thenation.com/article/bombshell-revelations-from-the-panama-papers-show-just-how-much-we-need-financial-transparency/

[rbrnmw]

11. More Rightwing garbage par for course here at DU GDP

[pinebox]

12. LMFAO! Yes sure because Hillary defending it on a GOVERNMENT website is RW trash

Bwhaahahahahahahahahahah!

[rbrnmw]

14. ....

[pinebox]

18. Back at ya with Hillary's theme song XD

[rbrnmw]

20. ....

[pinebox]

21. I prefer this XD

[rbrnmw]

23. Wah-Wah

[nichomachus]

16. "Right wing garbage" = Truth about Hillary

At least in Hillary World.

[Octafish]

17. UBS? That's where Phil GRAMM works! And Bill CLINTON! And george w bush...

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought in former President Bill Clinton to the Wealth Management team. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what are a few hundred million in speaking fees compared to a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

The fact the nation's "news media" don't bring this up AT ALL should be of great concern to all who care about Democracy.

[berni_mccoy]

25. DAMN! I Just posted something different involving Hillary and UBS today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511644077

[bkkyosemite]

52. Look at that damn list!

[Proud Public Servant]

19. This. Jesus, how do they not get this?

If you’re Bill Clinton and your wife has recently intervened, in her capacity as a cabinet secretary, to help a giant corporation avert a significant threat to its bottom-line, the very least you could do, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety, is to avoid negotiating seven-figure paydays with that same corporation. This is particularly jaw-dropping because ultra-wealthy Bill Clinton has virtually unlimited opportunities to give lucrative speeches to any number of audiences not directly implicated by decisions that his wife made as secretary of state.

It's not the venality that bothers me; it's not even the shamelessness. It's the complete and utter lack of sound judgment.

[Uncle Joe]

22. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pinebox.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. Assorted Collection of Statements

1) Hillary Clinton defends a trade deal involving Panama, one that was promoted heavily by US government while she was Secretary of State.
2) There is a bank called UBS.
3) A bank called UBS has some involvement in setting up offshore shell companies in Panama. Never mind what that involvement might be.
4) A bank called UBS paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speeches.
5) As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was involved in negotiations to reveal US nationals using tax harbors in Swiss banks.

From this assortment, we get "UBS PAID HILLARY TO HELP HIDE MONEY IN PANAMA!!!!!"

No, we don't get that. That would at least be an honest portrayal of what the OP is trying to say (without a shred of evidence, as usual). Rather, we get the typical sleazy, Stalinesque implication from a Sanders camp that seemingly finds it impossible to be honest about anything.

[berni_mccoy]

34. I think it's a whole hell of a lot simpler than that:

Amid warnings The Panama Free Trade Agreement would make Money Laundering and Tax Evasion worse, Hillary Still Pushed For and Negotiated an Agreement that brought us this corruption. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511645512

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. The Obama Administration supported those trade deals

It's not surprising the Secretary of State would be on record supporting the trade pacts promoted by the Administration.

The Administration was warned about the tax haven issue and certainly considered the effect of tax havens as part of the pacts, and decided it was on balance, still a good pact.

One can dispute this decision on policy grounds (I'd even agree to these disputes, mostly), but the OP is nothing but innuendo of corruption without evidence. Clearly, you have disagreed with the Obama administration on this question all along, which is fair enough, but deciding that the benefits of the pacts outweigh the tax haven and other costs is a policy decision, not an instance of corruption. I stand by my statement that the OP is a load of unconnected statements masquerading rather poorly as an argument.

[Armstead]

44. At the least it's a matter of Elite Myopia

You spend your time hanging out and doing business with Wealthy Crooks, and it tends to narrow one's worldview and allow for participation and support for bad shit.

[pinebox]

38. Stalinesque? Reagan called, he misses you.

Stalinesque lol
It's hilarious how you Hillary supporters always red bait. Quick! Burn the libraries! LOL

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. That's what I call dumb innuendo without evidence

Like your abysmally vapid OP.

[pinebox]

43. I'm sorry you don't understand how huge this is

Maybe Google could help you.
You're looking at one of the biggest news story's of the year but facts bounce off like acorns it appears.

Not my problem.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Hmm it was a matter of time this little scandal

Reached the US

[Nanjeanne]

28. This tweet says it all

Zaid Jilani
‏@ZaidJilani
If you compare arguments Obama/Hillary made in favor of Panama FTA and Bernie's opposition Bernie comes off looking good today

Uh oh . . . I made a boo-boo. I agreed with someone who said President Obama wasn't perfect!

[noiretextatique]

47. Off with your head!

It's even worse if you're black! I can't ever criticize THE ONE.

[closeupready]

29. DAMMIT. It would NOT be a scandal if it weren't for you pesky meddling KIDS!!

[AzDar]

46. ...

[floppyboo]

54. Nice one!

[appalachiablue]

30. K & R The corruption and exploitation is incredible.

[sadoldgirl]

31. Which ever way one looks, it always comes down to:

FOLLOW THE MONEY !!

[Tarc]

32. Trying to see the bombshell here, but it looks like a bit of a fizzled dud

This is a slight variations of Sanders "BIG BANKS ARE YUUUGE" one-trick pony.

That message hasn't worked out so well, given his virtually nonexistent chance to win the nomination now.

All in all?

[berni_mccoy]

35. That's Brock's response? Shit he's gotten faster, but lamer in his responses...

Hillary must be paying the bills late again, like when she was paying Mark Penn late.

Her campaign started falling apart right around the same time (when it was discovered that Penn was negotiating the Columbia Free Trade Agreement for Bush).

[synergie]

42. Is this the best Rove can do? Guess dropping all that cash on pro-Bernie ads

left him with nothing for his ratfuckers to sling.

You guys are hilarious! Predictable, repetitive, and rather desperate, but hysterically funny!
Please proceed.

[Tarc]

45. Sorry Mc, just don't see the big deal here.

You're peddling this like there's a smoking gun that can sink Clinton, but like an author once said, "there ain't no there, there".

[yourpaljoey]

33. Wheels coming off bus in 3...2...1....

What in was she thinking!?

[arcane1]

36. Here comes the "Bernie isn't a Christian" posts in 3... 2... 1... n/t

[azmom]

37. Highly recommend

[synergie]

40. Oh no, yet another attempt to find something, anything that might stick!1!!!

[amborin]

48. she's always helping the elite and screwing the 99%

[SoLeftIAmRight]

53. this

she is not a democrat

goldwater girl forever

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

49. Love David Sirota

[MrMickeysMom]

50. KICKED! RECOMMENDED!!! Why isn't this a swelling national headline???

I know... I know...

[dchill]

51. K&R.