How did Hillary Clinton become a Senator in NY so quickly when she had just moved there?

[Baobab]

And had never before been elected to any office before - as far as I know- (Is that correct?)

I know she was First Lady, but that is not an elected post nor did she hold a security clearance then as far as I know.

The point I am making is that when people move it usually takes them at least a few years to even get to the point where they are becoming involved politically in their new home - I would find it surprising if she ran for state office so soon, let alone nationally, let alone running for Senator from that state.

What deal was struck- is what I am getting at, what kind of promises did she have to make (to banks?) to get this handed to her on a silver platter?

because she sure as hell would not have been treated like that had she not done something or promised something besides just being a former "First Lady".

Another possibility is something which would likely work the other way, sometimes a politician has done something really bad and they are being in essence blackmailed, say by the mob, and they get put in office because they are "owned" so to speak.

Either way when something so outside of the normal range of possibilities happens - an outlier- it behooves us to investigate what happened there.

What happened there?

Does anybody think this is an unreasonable question?

[scscholar]

1. It was how it be

Why bring up old things that just don't matter any more?

[Hortensis]

22. It matters: NY Dems ASKED Hillary to run!

Senator Moynihan was retiring, and the state party was hurting for good people who could run successfully against a GOP candidate at the time. Hillary was a big-name Democrat considering what kind of work she wanted to do next (foundation, university, or elective office), Bill was soon to be out of a job and everyone knew they were considering moving to NY after the presidency, and so they approached HRC about it. She was interested from the beginning but took some months to learn more before deciding to establish residency in NY.

NY Magazine's political reporter Michael Tomasky wrote a book about this election that can be purchased for almost nothing on line since it is a decade old. I recommend it. You might end up knowing more than you ever expected to about NY politics and its interplay with national, but it's an enjoyable read and most of the names are still very much active in politics now, both up front like De Blasio and powers behind the scenes whom Bernie is busy wooing.

[YOHABLO]

54. "how it be" ? You mean, 'how it was'?

[yurbud]

68. sarcasm or serious? If a candidate is running mostly on her experience, it's a legit question

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. Now Hillary is either part of the MOB or being blackmailed by them. Your group

is really creative.

[Buzz Clik]

11. "Creative".

yikes.

More like "get a net"!

[Baobab]

58. No, thats not what i said

What i said is that sometimes- acually i doubt it in this case- but sometimes candidates get a rapid boost to the top because they are for some reason, particularly controllable by TPTB. In Hillary's case i actually doubt if that is the case at all, however, I would not be surprised if - the reason i wonder is because an NSA whistleblower, russell tice- said that in the early 2000s, he was tasked by the Vice president to tap a lot of peoples phones and one of them was a junior Senator who went on to become President.

Okay, you want to know what i think Hillary was/is being groomed for? I think that the WT -O's 'progressive liberalisation' agenda is why so many people want her to be President. basically, in order to preserve the inequality at the top, they want to get rid of the inequality at the middle which basically would hit the US working class and middle class really hard.

I dont have the time to explain it in depth but basically, these all speak to the problems that I see with "re-electing" a Clinton. A great many of the problems revolve around one really horrible 1994-95 trade deal, GATS.
there are dozens of issues, this is just a very few of them

http://www.eua.be/Libraries/publication/EUA_Statement_TTIP.pdf?sfvrsn=2 (It and its successor TiSA are successfully attacking and dsmembering public services all around the world- including education and health care)

https://www.citizen.org/documents/memo-gats-conflict-with-bank-size-limits-may-10-2011.pdf (GATS seems to have been the root cause of the 2008 financial disaster and its being covered up)

https://www.citizen.org/documents/GATS-financial-dereg.pdf (More on GATS and financial stuff - this is by Patricia Arnold whose work is quite good)

https://www.citizen.org/documents/FinanceReregulationFactSheetFINAL.pdf (even more- this is longer)

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRANETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf (GATS contains a global job trading program that MAY - I say may because I have a strong feeling but am not 100% sure- may- heavily impact jobs for millions of Americans in the public sector- because it forces privatization based on the rules in GATS Article I:3 (b) and (c)

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.405.5725 (this is the best one on health care- this is a really good paper. As you can see the underlying problem is this deal)


http://www.citizen.org/documents/Threats_to_Health_Care_Policy.pdf

http://www.iatp.org/files/GATS_and_Public_Service_Systems.htm (this explains the Article I:3 problem )

[JSup]

60. Implication

Implication by question ftw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_question#Implication_by_question

Right up there with "I'm just sayin'"

[rickford66]

62. Hills group bans people for this.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

63. I was repeating what someone was saying and mocking them.

[rickford66]

64. Sorry. I'm at work and only get quick glimpses.

What you repeated would get someone banned from her group. I got banned for a mild comment as apparently many others have. I notice that all the comments in that group consist of awe and worship. What a bunch of pap.

[LisaM]

3. IIRC, she was strongly encouraged to run by Daniel Moynihan.

He was retiring and wanted someone strong in the job. That's just my recollection, but I distinctly remember that he was involved.

[KMOD]

19. Correct.

And she was overwhelming supported in the Democratic Primary, winning 80% of the vote.

She then defeated Rick Lazio with 55% of the vote.

[LisaM]

21. And it was a good call by Moynihan. She served the people of NY well.

She worked hard for them, too.

[Land Shark]

42. were Dems in NY behind Iraq war?

[w4rma]

55. She represented Wall Street well.

[CanadaexPat]

30. Moynihan was very popular and his endorsement

carried a lot of weight.

[AgerolanAmerican]

4. She intimidated a longtime Democratic office holder out of the nomination

Another woman, no less - her name was Nita Lowey.

[Ash_F]

46. I would be interested in learning more about this if you can share.

I googled her but did not find this story.

[AgerolanAmerican]

49. It's not all that widely known a story

Lowey was all set for a walk-in Senate seat (the GOP had zero chance in that race) and spent 20 years in the NY Dem party and as a public office holder earning her shot. Rock-solid Democrat down the line.

Then Hillary struts into town, demands the nomination, and the next thing you know Lowey is no longer running. Hillary was so alien to the state she had to do that absurd "listening tour" to familiarize herself with the basics.

There's someone I know who would know more, a lifetime local NYC party operative, I'll ask him if I can to get some more detail.

[Ash_F]

50. Wow, that really speaks to the existence of a pecking order.

[AgerolanAmerican]

56. oh yes

The NYC Democratic party is strongly loyalty-based. If you get a nomination for office it means you've been busting your butt for the party for a very long time. What happened with Clinton is unprecedented, to my knowledge - even for lower level offices like City Council seats.

[Divernan]

71. HRC didn't give a shit that it was Nita's turn.

I heard about Hillary carpetbagging back when it happened, from my lifelong, Upper Westside Democrat daughter.

[AgerolanAmerican]

73. background story

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/24/hrc.senate/

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that conversation between the carpetbagger and the dedicated Congresswoman who had spent decades as a loyal Democrat and public servant to earn that nomination.

[Baobab]

65. She is a Congresswoman now

She is a member of the House

[leftynyc]

67. She was a congresswoman then also

She's my congresswoman.

[AgerolanAmerican]

70. She would be a Senator now

if not for the carpetbagger cutting in line

[Baobab]

69. Actually, Nita Lowey is now a Congresswoman

so, that doesn't appear to be true.

At least Ms. Lowey is currently serving the people of the Bronx as their representative in Washington.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. Money, name recognition,

and machine politics.

[Else You Are Mad]

7. Bingo. nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. yep

[Sky Masterson]

6. After surviving the barrage of Bosnian Sniper Fire

she was elected on her battle cred. Semper Why!!

[Wilms]

17. Come on, Sky. She's a war hero.

Just ask the MIC.

[oldandhappy]

8. Endorsements, previous senator picked her, extended listening tour brought

her into contact with a lot of folk and she is good at that, a lot of visits to the poor part of the state with promises to help, and major contacts with FLOTUS level folk in NYC. And once elected she did work hard for the state. I am not voting for her but I am willing to acknowledge that she was a hard working senator.

[Buzz Clik]

9. Somebody should write some laws regulating this behavior. Oh, wait.

They did. And she followed all of them.

[DanTex]

12. She was a highly involved First Lady, so it's not surprising she pursued her own political career.

No conspiracy theories needed.

[athena]

13. Because New Yorkers elected her to represent them?

If I recall, they were very happy with her performance on their behalf.

By the way, it's not banks that vote. It's people. I'm not sure what you mean by insinuating that she had to make deals with banks to get elected. She certainly had name recognition, which most people don't have when they first run for office.

[hrmjustin]

14. If you know NY history you would know we have voted several times for people

who just moved here to the senate.

Hillary was and is popular in the state no matter what any poster on this site tells you.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Who are those since you know this history? RFK lived in NY from age 2, Moynihan from age 6....

All the rest in my lifetime have been NY born and raised as far as I know. You say several have just moved to NY when elected to the Senate. When? Who? Which?

[hobbit709]

15. Name recognition.

[Gwhittey]

16. Because of 2 things

1 in Primary some no name Lawyer ran against her.
Hillary Rodham Clinton - 565,353 (81.98%)
Mark P. McMahon - 124,315 (18.03%)

And then As a (D) in NY it is easy to win. The (D)Senator she was replacing was in office since 1977.

[Denis 11]

18. I recall when this occurred.

The first family get a pass to choose the residency they wish when leaving the White House.

[Dem2]

20. She wanted to run for president

Being an elected Senator is a distinct advantage. Banks do not vote by the way - I don't think the votes of a few Bank employees could change an election outcome.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. She moved there in order to run for Moynihan's seat. It's classic Machine politics.

Frankly I was surprised NY went for it.

[Agnosticsherbet]

24. A 1999 article from Slate explains it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1999/02/can_hillary_be_a_new_york_senator.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Robert Kennedy's ties to NY were almost as tenuous when he was elected senator.

My mom took to me the front of a rope line when he was campaigning in Queens to shake his hand. We loved him and didn't care where he came from.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. You are very much incorrect. Bobby was 2 when the family moved to Riverdale, in the Brox and

RFK attended school in NY until the his father's work took the family to London. RFK also lived in NY as an adult when working for the DOJ in the 50's. So he'd lived in NY for many years including many formative years. Hillary moved to NY and the following year entered the race for Senate.

[Trust Buster]

26. She received the most votes. Something the Sanders crowd just can't seem to grasp.

[Jitter65]

29. LOL!

[Cali_Democrat]

33. hahaha. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. ...

[JoePhilly]

51. Lol

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. Are you sure it wasn't a part of the deal she cut at the crossroads? ...

[Baobab]

61. Robert Johnson.. No, but that analogy is a very good one because

the "deal" thats being struck is one which preseveres a lot of evil at the top in a great many countries,

What do you make of the document here?

http://www.cuts-geneva.org/pacteac/images/Documents/EAC%20Forum/Forum17/EAC%20Geneva%20Forum-%20WTO%20Note%2017.pdf

[Depaysement]

27. It's the reason why she moved to NY

To run for the Senate.

[closeupready]

31. It was an easy shortcut.

[Go Vols]

45. +1

[treestar]

34. The voters chose her

I am sure her opponent made the most of it, but the voters in NY decided they did not care about that.

She had national presence before, so it is absurd to say that had no effect. She was an unusual case.

[brooklynite]

35. See, we have newspapers, and magazines and TV sets...and we even had this new-fangled internet thing

We're able to learn about people in the world around us, whether they live here or not.

I've noticed that Sanders people keep falling back on "people haven't learned about him yet" (after 10 months of campaigning) to explain why he's not ahead.

[Baobab]

41. Huh?

I think thats quite understandable given the situation. Still, he's catching up fast, and the reason is his positions are much closer to the positions take by most of us.

[Lizzie Poppet]

37. She came prepared:

[Trust Buster]

39. I think that's a picture of Bernie changing his Party affiliation for an election.

[Capt. Obvious]

38. That's pretty common

Doesn't always work too well - see: Scott Brown.

[Tarc]

43. Yep

[mcar]

44. She got elected

[speaktruthtopower]

47. Wall $treet

[JI7]

48. how old are you ? the support for a Senate run came first

[Goldfish]

53. Good question!

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that John F. Kennedy Jr. was also interested in
running for that Senate seat. Unfortunately, his untimely death in a plane crash brought
that aspiration to an end. I always think how things might have worked out differently
if he had run. At least she wouldn't have had such an easy victory.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

74. John John,,, New York loved John F. Kennedy Jr.

We all loved him..Who knows, maybe he could have been President...

John F Kennedy Jr- Powerful Speech,
1988 Democratic National Convention:

[MineralMan]

57. She ran for the office and people voted for her.

How else? The results of that election and the campaign prior to it can all be Googled. I suggest that you go do some searching.

[loyalsister]

59. She established residency, filed for candidacy, and raised enough money

nt.

[bettyellen]

66. After killing Vince Foster and some babies and eating them all... she gained magical witch powers

I thought everyone knew that?

[TSIAS]

72. She was a carpetbagger

As long as she followed the rules, she was allowed to run for the Senate. She wanted to run in an open seat in a blue state, rather than Arkansas.

[Raster]

76. Because she would not have won dogcatcher in Arkanasas.

She pushed someone else out of the way in absolutely secure Senate Race, someone who had actually earned the chance to run. However, her majesty had a dream, and that Senate seat was just another stepping stone.

[tabasco]

75. She gained notoriety by being married to Bill Clinton.

She would still be working for Walmart if she hadn't married a future president.

[jfern]

77. She used the fact that she was first lady

Obviously if she was just some random Arkansas lawyer named Hillary Rodham, the Democratic party would have nominated someone who had lived in New York for at least a few years.

[longship]

78. However, her two presidential campaigns have been utter rubbish.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders keeps on keeping on, sometimes with the help from nature.

And any mention of Birdie Sanders utterly pisses off Hillary supporters. Fuck them. It was just a little finch which obviously had more taste in a candidate than Hillary supporters. And Bernie seized the situation. And the crowd went wild. Too bad for Hillary. But she makes people pay to hear her speak. Birds don't have the money. Apparently.