Is it time for Senator Clinton, for the sake of unity, to concede?

[Warren Stupidity]

You decide!

123 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Yes. Senator Clinton having lost 7 of the last 8 primaries, should withdraw.
	113 (92%)
	No. Senator Clinton, despite having lost 7 of the last 8 primaries, should fight to the bitter end.
	10 (8%)
	Nader!
	0 (0%)
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[whatchamacallit]

1. Stick a fork in her

She's done.

[Dustlawyer]

105. I would say she is done as far as the General election, she can still limp to victory in

The Primary. To quote about a million Hillary supporters and almost all of the media from last year, "You have to vote for Hillary because Bernie cannot win the General. You will just be handing the Presidency to the Republicans!"

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I don't hear them conceding that Hillary should withdraw because she cannot win the General.

Yes, she cannot win with all of the dirt coming out with the FBI investigation, Panama (which we know is only just beginning for her and her friends), and a host of other negatives that will continue her campaigns slide. It's hypocritical to push one direction, but when the facts show it should go the other way to just ignore them!

[daleanime]

151. +1

[pdsimdars]

128. That was P E R F E C T !!!

I've seen that statement before but this one seemed to hit the nail on the head.
Thanks

[AgerolanAmerican]

153. Why do you hate forks?

[roguevalley]

156. she doesn't care about unity. she's going to buy some later after

She 'destroys/disqualifies' bernie. Bill has a spare half million I heard to do it that he found in the cushions

[KMOD]

2. Wow!

Are you serious?

[Warren Stupidity]

6. serious as snot

[KMOD]

14. I don't take snot seriously.

thanks.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. that snot's funny

[KMOD]

19. lol

[Jeffersons Ghost]

56. No Hillery should use her every resource to protect us from "dirty cop" FBI agents...

FBI online assholes are covering for each other like dirty cops, while Chinese satellites reveal their humint agents to killers [Who's Top-Gun in reveling and arresting "Tigers," using China's orbiting technology?].

[kristopher]

87. Winner of weirdest post of the month.

[Hiraeth]

134. +2. I love it so much I want to make it my sigline !!

[SMC22307]

60. It helps protect your lungs.

You should take it seriously.

[grossproffit]

3. Bernie does well in online polls.

The math isn't there.

[roguevalley]

157. no.

[YASSIR THE FAT]

4. DU Rec.

Yes, she should concede, and deal with her legal issues.

[daleanime]

77. +1

It's not like she needs the money.

[pdsimdars]

129. Do it for the children . . ..

[hack89]

5. Let's wait for NY and PA

that is when the failure of BernieMath will be clearer.

[timmymoff]

29. Another move of the goalposts?

we were toast after Iowa according to people like you.

[dchill]

80. Those goalpuppies need serious rehab.

Getting rickety and frayed.

[hack89]

89. No. You have been toast for quite a while

WI nets him 10 or so delegates. He is still in a huge hole.

[timmymoff]

90. Not near the hole the dems will be

on November if Negatives Nancy is nominated.

[hack89]

91. That's what happens when you let the people have a choice

They sometimes see things differently than you do.

[pdsimdars]

135. So THAT'S why the Dems don't want to let the people choose the nominee.

I have been wondering why they were rigging this primary. That explains it.
Thanks.

[hack89]

136. So Sander's victories are illegitimate due to the process?

or only Hillary's?

[anigbrowl]

145. Clinton still leads Sanders in terms of pledged delegates by ~25%

Kudos to Sanders for a string of victories, but as I have pointed out before winning in a state with a small population is not that big of a deal because ultimately victory is based on the number of people who vote for you. It might not seem fair to you that states like NY or CA count for much more than states like WI, but it's a reflection of the fact that many more people live in NY and CA than in WI.

[roguevalley]

159. she'll be indicted by then.

[anigbrowl]

162. You hope. Seems highly unlikely to me.

I'm guessing that if she isn't, you'll switch to saying that she should have been, or that it's surely bound to happen before the GE, or before she's sworn in, or before the end of her first term, or her second term, or whenever.

[leftynyc]

132. Not at all

It's been obvious for over a month the math will do Bernie in. Simple fucking math. I see you're still in the denial stage of grief. My sympathies.

[timmymoff]

140. If it's such simple math, why is

Corporate H going so negative?

[anigbrowl]

144. Sorry, it's Bernie supporters who are moving the goalposts with threads like this

I can't help noticing that la Clinton still has about 25% more pledged delegates than Sanders (I'm not even including superdelegates in this analysis and I will relentlessly mock anyone who attempts to bring them up as a diversion tactic; you've been warned). So even though she is ahead in terms of the number of people who have already voted for her, and even though some of the most populous states have yet to vote, a bunch of people think she should drop out because Sanders has beaten her several times in a row in smaller states?

"Stop the race! The guy in second place has been catching up a bit, so the person in front should just drop out!" strikes me as a pretty absurd argument. If Sanders supporters were as confident as they claim to be, why wouldn't they want him to win in the conventional manner, by ending up with more delegates than she has?

[pdsimdars]

133. It's not about that

It's about the GE. There is just too much weight on her. That plus the fact that in every poll she loses against most of the GOP candidates except Trump, who it looks less and less like he'll get their nomination. And she loses against the others.

Whereas Bernie doesn't have all those extra issues hanging around and WINS against every GOP candidate and by much bigger margins than Hillary

Think about it. Do you want to lose the GE, just so you can have Hillary as the nominee?
Or do you want to win the GE with Bernie?

[bigwillq]

7. No

She's still winning.

[pdsimdars]

137. Awwww, just look at those poll trends . . . .

She's winning like a hot air balloon with a hole punched in it, slowly sagging and shrinking.
While all the enthusiasm is going to Bernie and so are the poll numbers.

We just wonder if the Hillary supporters will wait until that last puff of hot air has escaped and the balloon is flat on the ground, or what it is that will make them realize what is happening.

[bigwillq]

141. Awwwww, I don't like Hillary. But to say she should concede is redic.

[Beacool]

8. LOL!!!!

Sanders will also win Wyoming. Guess what? He still will be behind in pledged delegates.

This board is a riot.

[Lucinda]

81. +1

[Joob]

9. Just because a lot of people think it doesn't mean we'll figure out a way to suppress a vote!

[AzDar]

10. For the sake of the Party... she's under investigation for serious offenses, after all.

[quantumjunkie]

11. +1

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. She's still not losing in pledged delegates (and still way ahead)

No way in hell should she "concede". What are you even talking about? It's Bernie who has to massively over perform in the remaining primaries to even get close and even then he probably won't even have enough. Dream on.

[Beacool]

13. Isn't this place funny?

Some DU members must live in an alternate reality where the candidate who has received the most votes from registered Democrats, who is both ahead in pledged delegates and the popular vote should be the one conceding.

[Fumesucker]

21. The sense of humor here is the only thing that keeps me coming back

There are some seriously funny people on DU, both deliberate and inadvertent. I get far more smiles and chuckles from DU than I do frowns.

[Agschmid]

23. Same.

[Beacool]

25. I'm a big Star Trek fan.

Coming here is like going through a wormhole into another dimension. I sometimes feel like Captain Janeway on Voyager. She was in the Alpha Quadrant and all of a sudden her ship is thrown 70,000 light years to the Delta Quadrant by an alien entity. DU is like the Delta Quadrant.

[StevieM]

27. I like Star Trek too, although I haven't watched an episode in a really long time.

Bea, the next two weeks are going to be annoying, especially after Wyoming.

But at least they'll settle down (somewhat) after NY on April 19. Then comes April 26 when I am counting on a 5 state sweep. (PA, MD, CT, RI, DE). That should firmly establish her as the inevitable nominee. Indiana, on May 3, could be the icing on the cake.

[Beacool]

31. Hi, Stevie!!!

I'm not worried. As I have said more than once, steady as she goes. We are playing the long game.

[Fumesucker]

33. I'm reminded of Arthur C Clarke's Childhood's End..

Trek fans usually have a decent handle on satire and irony.

[Beacool]

38. That's a sci-fi classic.

Good quote. Yep, Trekkies appreciate satire and irony.

[roguevalley]

160. some believe she isn't corrupt. go figure

[Beacool]

161. Some think that Sanders is not talking out his backside and has a chance to fulfill his agenda.

Go figure.

[Onlooker]

15. Wow, young white straight men really do seem to dominate DU by a wide margin

If not, these results would be much closer according to the demographic polls I've seen.

[Impedimentus]

16. Hillary is a true patriot and a champion of the poor, she will quit for the good of the country !!!

Expect her to do the RIGHT THING any minute now. She will go down in history as a GREAT American, having secured her legacy as a defender of the downtrodden, the Heroine of the Middle Class, a modern Joan of Arc who put her country ahead of her personal ambitions.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[StevieM]

26. If Bernie wins the nomination then of course Hillary will do the right thing and support him.

As it stands now she is leading him, and leading by a lot.

I hope Bernie does the right thing and supports Hillary if she is the nominee.

[NuclearDem]

18. ...

[Ken Burch]

20. Look, I'm not thrilled with the tactics she has used against us, but this doesn't help Bernie.

The best thing we can do is to beat HRC in the remaining contests...which we have a real shot of doing now.

Iif we do get Bernie nominated, we will need HRC and her supporters to get on board with us in the fall. They are sabotaging their chances by dissing us...we shouldn't repeat THEIR mistakes.

We need to show them that there is another way to do politics.

Thank you for your support so far, but please consider self-deleting this OP for the good of our candidate.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Sheesh, its a parody of the nonsense from the camp.

Humorless not a good way to go through primary season on du.

[Ken Burch]

32. I get that your intent is parodistic, but that may not read that way.

It's crucial that we not do anything that makes us sound like a bunch of Richards.

Let's get back at their arrogance by beating them at the polls(as Wisconsin shows we can do).

Could you at least put a "sarcasm" smilie in your OP?

[anigbrowl]

146. Sure it is

[pdsimdars]

138. Kinda like all those in the MSM calling for Obama to be more conciliatory to the Republicans

As if Obama hasn't bent over backwards for them and they still keep kicking him every chance they get. UTTER NONSENSE!

[StevieM]

24. LOL, only on DU is the front runner, who is ahead by over 200 delegates called on to concede

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the race to the trailing candidate.

For the next two weeks we will be hearing Sanders supporters rub our noses in her imminent crushing defeat in the New York Primary.

After Hillary wins NY on April 19 we will still be hearing that Hillary's campaign is in disarray and she needs to drop out for the good of the party.

When she follows up by sweeping 5 states on April 26 (PA, MD, DE, RI, CT) the tone will start to change. At that point people will stop claiming that her campaign is falling apart. But they will still call for her to yield the nomination to Senator Sanders.

[Ken Burch]

34. In fairness, your candidate essentially refused to recognize Obama as the frontrunner in '08.

For most of that campaign, she acted like it was presumptuous of the guy to even have entered the primaries, and encouraged two states to defy party rules on primary dates just so she could get an unfair early advantage by campaigning in those states when every other candidate had agreed to stay out of those primaries.

[StevieM]

65. I disagree with everything you have said.

1) Michigan and Florida set their own primary dates. And it is a bit silly to say that a state "broke party rules," especially when it was the Republicans who made the rules in Florida.

Hillary didn't campaign in Michigan. Obama encouraged his supporters to vote "uncommitted." Then when she won, but with 40% voting uncommitted, the media savaged her by saying "40% of the people would rather vote for NO ONE then to vote for Hillary Clinton!" In Florida, Senator Obama ran national commercials that aired in Florida, while no Clinton ads aired in that state. She didn't show up in Florida until election night, not stepping out of the plane until the polls had closed.

2) I am not sure why it would ever make sense for one candidate to recognize the other as the front runner, or why the leading campaign would expect that (or care). If you are talking about her staying in the race in spite of his pledged delegate lead, please remember that the last race that close was in 1984, and at that point it was unheard of to treat the PD category as the decider of the race. 2008 was the first time that PDs were treated as the equivalent of electoral votes.

3) I don't agree that she acted as if it were presumptuous for him to enter the race. I remember that she was so cognizant of his potential threat that she moved up her announcement date to January 2007. She had originally planned to do the "waiting for the front runner" thing that Al Gore and George W. Bush did in 2000, where they didn't officially enter the race until the late summer/early fall.

[anigbrowl]

147. Not how I remember it

And I was very much in favor of Obama over Clinton in 08. That's why I joined DU in fact.

[pdsimdars]

139. D E L U S I O N

[jack_krass]

28. STICK A FORK IN HER, SHE'S DONE!!!

[Ken Burch]

35. Can we all here just stick a fork in the fork-sticking?

n/t.

[PonyUp]

41. ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. I voted: "DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided" ...

because there wasn't a option.

[Logical]

45. What the hell are you talking about? Nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. I'm sure you didn't get the hilarity of suggestion that the candidate ...

that is winning the popular vote AND delegate count, withdraw to preserve "party unity", when the candidate losing the popular vote AND delegate count is only competitive in open primary/caucus states, escapes you.

[Logical]

66. Nice try, some posts are a waste. Nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. True and your post is a perfect example.

[Logical]

99. Wow, that was so clever. Nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

101. A second example! Thanks.

[Number23]

88. It's both precious and adorable, ain't it??

[1StrongBlackMan]

100. Precious and adorable ...

and head shakingly, sad.

[Lucinda]

82. :)

[Tarc]

36. The candidate that is actually going to win doesn't concede

It must be Opposite Day in Camp Sanders.

[hellofromreddit]

37. I think both candidates are obligated to stay in as long as possible

It's a tight race and either one bowing out now is a disservice to their supporters.

[Lil Missy]

40. It's not a close race. Math is your friend. n/t

[hellofromreddit]

48. The relentless smug comments from you Hillary people is why she's losing

It's not just here. The entire tone of her campaign at all levels is one of looking down on the rest of us pissants. From telling us that we're stupid for wanting big changes (or "ponies" as you people put it) to accusing us of not being real democrats to acting as if we'd give a fuck about subway tokens to beating us over the head with the word "math", the message has been 90% insult and 10% threats about Trump and Nader. It's no wonder Clinton's strongest trend is downward. Effectively telling potential supporters "fuck you" all day long is a poor way to campaign.

[1StrongBlackMan]

51. The Math is not a "smug comment" ...

because you do not wish to recognize the improbability of you candidate's quest.

[hellofromreddit]

58. Then show me the math!

Thread after thread after thread you toss around "math" like it's some kind of magic word. Go on, demonstrate to all of us that you actually know what you're talking about instead of just pretending.

I can't wait so see all the work you fail to produce.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. At last count ...

Bernie is losing the popular vote AND the delegate count with more than 50% of the states counted.

[hellofromreddit]

63. That's an observation. As expected, you presented no math

Simply slapping the word "math" onto obnoxious comments is not going to cut it.

Observation: "Bernie is losing the popular vote AND the delegate count with more than 50% of the states counted."

{if you had done even the smallest amount of actual math it would go here}

Conclusion: "...the improbability of you candidate's quest." (sic.)

Care to try again? Hell, you don't even have to crunch any numbers--just present a logical argument to connect your observations and conclusions without falling back on opinions or insults.

[1StrongBlackMan]

92. Ahhh ... got'cha ...

Still math.

[Lil Missy]

73. But, she's not losing. She's winning.

Reality (math) has a pro-Hillary bias.

[hellofromreddit]

75. Then show me your math

An observation is not math. Math involves reasoning and work, neither of which you have demonstrated in this discussion.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Excellent list. All you left out was "berniebroooooos!!!!"

berniebroooooooooooos!!!!!!

[anigbrowl]

148. This might be a good analysis if she were actually losing

I absolutely encourage you to vote for or keep supporting Sanders, but you sound like the person who complains about being told to take an umbrella with you because it's raining.

[SheilaT]

39. No. That's ridiculous.

I'm a strong Bernie supporter, and I sincerely think that Hillary would be a total disaster as President, but this is as stupid as all the calls for Bernie to quit.

This is almost undoubtedly going to go all the way to June 7.

[Logical]

46. I think it was just a joke. Nt

[tiredtoo]

42. I like this poll

and i like the humor involved. I am an old white guy and voted for Hillary to concede. doing so with humor as i presume the poll was meant to be.

[Kalidurga]

43. Yes she should give up.

She knows if she wins she has to then win in the GE. Everyone admits or complains that Independents won't vote for her. We absolutely need Independents to win in the GE.

[longship]

44. Don't do it! It's a trap!

Erik Bauersfeld died

And yes, Hillary is going to lose... Again!

on edit: sorry, couldn't resist.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. At the very least her campaign should fix its "tone", stop attacking Sanders and his supporters

Recongize that theyre going to need to come on board and support us against the republicans in november!

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. My ... what a difference a matter of months make! ...

And, do you think the previous months have had an effect on the present?

[Warren DeMontague]

54. No, no difference at all.

I was a smartass then, and I'm still a smartass now.

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. But now you're a whiny, victimized smartass ...

requesting the comity requests that you dismissed (or remained silent to) the pleas of other requesting what you now are requesting.

As I said ... My ... what a matter of months make.

[Warren DeMontague]

85. I'm 'whiny and victimized'? Well, that's fucking rich.

[1StrongBlackMan]

104. Yes. It is ... and unflattering, too.

[Warren DeMontague]

111. I should defer to the experts on the matter, I guess.

but, no. "laughing at you" is not "whining".

[1StrongBlackMan]

113. You are/were laughing at me?

Go figure.

[Warren DeMontague]

114. You missed the winking smiley in the original post too, i guess?

Yeah, well, we're all getting older. The eyesight is the first to go, dont i know it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

115. winking smiley = laughing at, when there is a laughing smiley?

[Warren DeMontague]

117. damn, buddy

you need new hobbies, I think.

[1StrongBlackMan]

120. I'm happy with the hobbies I have ... buddy.

[Warren DeMontague]

121. You seem tense.

Cheer up, Charlie!

[1StrongBlackMan]

123. I seem to misread a lot of stuff.

[Warren DeMontague]

124. Yeah, i hear that. It happens.

I just figured out a while back that as a general matter of personal policy, its hard to go wrong not taking DU very seriously.

[VulgarPoet]

110. Methinks you forgot your sarcasm tag, DeMontague

ETA: tag, not tage.

[Warren DeMontague]

112. I put a winking smiley in there!

DOES NO ONE NOTICE THE HUMBLE WINKING SMILEY ANYMORE!?!

[TheFarS1de]

116. No time for nuance

It's indignation central right now and the Bullshit express is unloading

[Warren DeMontague]

118. YOU'LL EAT THIS SHIT SANDWICH AND NOT ONLY THAT YOU WILL LIKE IT

What an inspirational message, huh?

[HassleCat]

52. I know it's supposed to be funny

But we need to chill on the goading and gloating. One candidate will win, and there will be many hard feelings on the other side. We should try not to add to the animosity.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. I'm going out on a limb here; but ...

I suspect those identifying with the "Bernie or Bust" faction, that is over-represented on DU, care little about, and in fact welcome, the animosity within the Democratic Party

[MrMickeysMom]

64. Speak for yourself...

The rest of us are too concerned what the Democratic party has turned into. What is "over-represented" on DU is outside your window.

Sunshine is good.

Speaking of that, good night.

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. The rest of DU.

[tiredtoo]

68. The Bernie or Bust faction

is pseudo. this group was put together by Karl Rove (Bush's brain). Do not let Rove get the best of you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Trust ... I am not ...

the Bernie or buster faction is but a small - really small -part of the left and a vanishingly smaller part of the Democratic base.

[tiredtoo]

71. The mass media that sold us on the Iraq war

is the same mass media that is selling us the candidate that voted for the war.

[progressoid]

55. NADER!!!

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[Autumn]

57. Well past time for her to drop out

[Beacool]

72. Sure, the candidate ahead in pledged delegates always drops out of the race.

[Autumn]

76. Remind me about Nevada and Hills's soft suppprt there.nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

78. i want her to stay in

she can tell us about her trip to bosnia

[beaglelover]

67. She didn't lose 7 of the last 8 PRIMARIES. Educate yourself please before you post.

[YASSIR THE FAT]

93. Yes she did, and she will lose the rest of the primaries.

Educate yourself.

[Lucinda]

97. LOL A primary is not a caucus.

Google.

[beaglelover]

106. Primaries do not equal caucuses.......Jesus Christ some people are really uneducated on this site.

[liberal N proud]

163. Facts don't matter when you are trying to create hype for a failing venture.

[ecstatic]

74. Is math important to Bernie supporters?

Just wondering. Doesn't seem like it.

[beaglelover]

107. No, obviously not. They live in LA LA land and ride unicorns with rainbows shooting out of their

asses! LOL!!!

[stone space]

109. Math is VERY important to THIS Bernie supporter.

[dchill]

79. Yes. She has dementum.

(My term for the opposite of momentum.) AKA lethargy.

[Lucinda]

83. Which of the last 7 PRIMARIES did Bernie win?

[YASSIR THE FAT]

94. Based on what I've seen so far.

All of 'em!

[Lucinda]

96. Nope. :)

[fun n serious]

84. This whole thread gave me a good laugh. Thank you everyone

[B Calm]

95. Yes she needs to drop out so the party can unite behind the liberal candidate.

[vintx]

102. Yes, she and her supporters need to stop using RW tactics that will only aid the GOP in the fall.

The red-baiting tactics and baseless smears need to stop now, so that the party can come together.

[stone space]

103. I was dissapointed when O'Malley bowed out after the Iowa Caucus.

Is there a problem with waiting for the convention?

There are a few states left to go, yet, and their voices matter as well.

[anigbrowl]

150. Me too, but...

it takes a lot of money to run a political campaign, and my impression was that O'Malley ran out of the stuff early on. I'd rather we had publicly funded elections, but realistically you'd have some sort of filter to exclude joke and crazypants candidates*. More to the point, the fact that you need a pretty solid financial plan to be competitive is a given right now, so you have to build your campaign strategy around the way things are rather than the way you'd prefer them to be. O'Malley knew that this would require decent amounts of cash before he announced so if he went broke after IA that's his own fault. He could have raised more or made a decision to spend less in IA and campaign more aggressively in NH or whatever. Personally I don't think he was ever a serious contender and just threw his hat into the ring in hopes of either getting a job or getting his name out there for a more serious run in 2020.

* that might seem pretty harsh, but after sitting through many hours of watching the no-hoper candidates on C-Span it's hard to avoid the conclusion that a lot of them are cuckoo. If you missed it this time tune in next cycle before the New Hampshire primary; it only costs $1000 to get on the ballot in NH and there's no minimum signature requirement so there's always a bunch of fringe candidates on the NH ballot.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

119. Well, the only other Democrat she could concede to is Martin O'Malley. Bernie Sanders is I-VT

...so no.

I stand by what I posted two weeks ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1502475

I agree Hillary will win -- I just think this will probably go until May. (June was probably overly optimistic). There are only 373 delegates in play between now (March 16th) and New York. Then 631 come in in the second half of April.

I'm going to guess a roughly 40% Hillary /60% Bernie split on the 373, followed by a roughly 60% Hillary/40% Bernie split on the 631. So that gets us to May with about 2030 delegates.

That's just my take -- your mileage may vary.

All of the states contested since mid-March are right in Senator Sanders' wheelhouse: small, and lacking in ethnic diversity (excepting Hawaii -- and I'll stipulate the "lack of diversity" comments made about Hawaii were idiotic).

[factfinder_77]

122. Clinton +2,403,691 popular votes

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[Demsrule86]

125. Caucuses are not primaries and are small in terms of votes

But you are right...the only way Bernie can win is if she quits...stick a fork in him...he is done. And after New York maybe he will admit it.

[bkkyosemite]

126. LOL.....what a poll.

[RandySF]

127. The one still on track to win the nomination?

Cute

[leftynyc]

130. I've been here over 10 years

and this is the stupidest poll I've ever seen. Why should the person in the lead of delegates, superdelegates and actual votes drop out. The desperation at the realization that simple math will do in Bernie has made you all nuts.

[Beacool]

158. The funniest part is not the poll, but the almost 200 votes it got on the first option.

Once again proving that this is a pro-Sanders board and no amount of ridiculous nonsense ever stops them from bashing Hillary.

[Sheepshank]

131. it's the only way Bernie will win, so I understand the wetdream

but as much as she has said she would never expect that from Bernie, you'd think BS supporters would find some comfort in that statement, that he will get a chance to bow out gracefully.

[DrDan]

142. of course she should - only 250 delegate lead - time to call it quits

[PAMod]

143. This post is the equivalent of "it's just a flesh wound..." eom

[Dem2]

149. Waste of electrons

[Trust Buster]

152. The results of this ridiculous poll only proves one thing.

It proves how unfair Hillary supporters are being treated within this kangaroo jury system. That's all this achieved.

[dchill]

154. If she really loves America...

Indubitably.

[Gothmog]

155. Democrats would be insane to nominate Sanders

Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.

The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.”

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because these polls do not measure what would happen to Sanders in a general election where Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads.

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164. Hillary is a looming disaster for Democrats.

Bill Clinton's behavior today is a prime example.

And if the email scandal doesn't get her, the Panama Papers or her and Bill's Cayman Island secret bank accounts will.

My gosh, this isn't about HER!

She is not one of us, she is an aristo!