I always thought Sanders was a decent person, but I'm starting to think he may be a jerk

[EffieBlack]

I've always respected Sanders and have felt no ill will toward him. Even my criticisms of his campaign have not been directed at him personally but instead at his approach and, often, the behavior and attitudes of some of his supporters. Nevertheless, I liked him and, although he wasn't my first choice, I would have had absolutely no problem voting for him if he got the nomination.

But in the last few days, Sanders has changed his comments and tone and he's acting and sounding like an ass. I'm hoping that this is just a strange but temporary detour and that he'll get back on track and go back to behaving with some dignity and decency since I don't want to dislike him and I certainly don't want to see him turn the Democratic race into a version of the Republican circus. We're better than that - and I think he is, too.

Bernie, please don't prove me wrong. This isn't good for you or us or any of the things you care about.

[revbones]

1. Yeah, I thought Hillary was just slightly corrupted and would be an ok president until Jan this year

Guess we're all entitled to our opinions...

[artislife]

41. heh!

[Chan790]

49. I'm sorry you've been shown the light.

Truly.

I've known for quite some time how corrupt and evil Clinton is and how fundamentally-disqualified she is from serving as President...and I wouldn't wish that on any Democrat. It's like learning that Mickey Mouse at WDW is just some drunk in a costume.

It's awful to see this truth so clearly. A light so clear and pure it feels like razor blades.

[revbones]

58. Bear in mind it was only as a lesser of two evils scenario

I didn't support her in 2008 and wouldn't this time except as the lesser of two evils - until Jan.

I think I had the benefit of being for Edwards in 2008 and then pulled the lever for Obama, and I didn't fully grasp the level of her corruption and lies until Jan of this year.

But yes, it's stunning.

What's so weird though is supposed democrats that back her because she's Hillary and ignore her record and lies, or the ones that yell about party loyalty above all else.

[IdaBriggs]

102. I know way more about her than I ever wanted.

At one point I thought she would be a good Supreme Court nominee.

Now I'm thinking jail instead, along with her husband, in a nice for-profit prison.

[Baobab]

114. I think we all were fooled by Hillary for a while- Especially back in the 90s, during the bubble.

Even recently, I wanted to think better of her and gave her chance after chance to redeem herself, but I think her narcissism is really quite obvious and I know from long experience that narcissists are poison for governments. because of their compulsive lying.

[ThePhilosopher04]

2. He spoke the truth. Get over it.

[reformist2]

36. Yep. Politics ain't beanbag. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

78. It was a factual assessment of Hillary Clinton

He was only stating facts

[Joob]

3. Her own actions are insults.

[Firebrand Gary]

4. Sander's took his mask off.

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We see him for what he is. He's totally untrustworthy to be at the helm of the democratic party.

[Armstead]

12. Naw he's the same Bernie he's always been

People in Vermont love him, even if he can be a bit cranky at times

[morningfog]

24. He won't put up with Clinton slime jobs.

He hit back.

[baldguy]

30. "She started it!" is a line straight out of the Trump campaign.

It's an excuse a grade-schooler would use.

[morningfog]

35. He won't roll over. Message has been sent.

[TM99]

52. Unless of course

it is factually accurate.

The Clinton Machine can not say we are going to disqualify Sanders and defeat him even if it means destroying party unity and then scream we are the victims now when the Sanders campaign fights back.

It's the latest chapter in Clinton's approach to Sanders. She's tried ignoring him, brushing him aside, gently dismissing his policies. The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight.

READ: Clinton on Sanders: 'I'm not even sure' he is a Democrat

No more, a top adviser told CNN. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders' supporters "will come later," an adviser said.
It's a new moment in this Democratic primary fight, with the Clinton campaign poised to dramatically escalate its criticism of Sanders in the coming days.

CNN

THIS is the grade schooler approach. Typical bullies who love to fight you hard but once you push back then run home screaming ouch!

[riderinthestorm]

57. I missed what happened! Recap please? nt

[morningfog]

62. Here's a good review:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1666972

Bernie said Hillary was not qualified to be president in response to her campaign starting a campaign to disqualify him.

[scscholar]

76. But he hit back before the slime...

so you can't blame the slime.

[geek tragedy]

94. No he said she is unfit for the office. It's what people say about Trump.

Bernie just became a Bernie or Buster.

[morningfog]

99. Meh. First, hill said it first. Second, she said McCain was more prepared

and qualified than Obama in 08. Her hands are clean. They are muddy and slimy.

[geek tragedy]

104. no she didn't. they tried to bait her into saying it, and she didn't.

you can't find a quote from her saying he is not qualified.

he's telling anyone who will listen that she is not qualified for the office.

this is his way of saying "Never Hillary"

[morningfog]

105. Her camp said they would disqualify him after they got their ass kicked in WI on Tuesday night.

That is the starting point of this. It came back to bit them in the ass and now they want play victim. I wont' fly.

[geek tragedy]

107. there is a big difference between the campaign leaking talking points insinuating something

to the press and the candidate getting up in front of a crowd and committing to a hard position.

No one expects Sanders hardcore supporters to object to anything he says or find fault in him at all. But his decision to become the Never Hillary Naderite figure will not play well with actual Democrats who aren't smitten with him.

By his standards, as he articulated them last night, Donald Trump and Pat Buchanan are more qualified to be president than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

That's all you need to know as to whether he's a real Democrat or a third party saboteur.

[morningfog]

109. There is no difference. Bernie headed them off at the pass.

It was good pre-emption.

And he did not say Trump would be more qualified. I remember Hillary did say that of McCain with respect to Obama though.

She picked this fight and now regrets it.

[geek tragedy]

110. Contrary to what people think at DU, whoever is the most negative and personally

attacks the other candidate is not winning the exchange.

"Bernie Sanders says Clinton not qualified" is the headline.

Not his policy claims. That he says a woman who is the most qualified candidate to run for the office in the last half century, if ever, is not qualified.

Something he has not said about Donald Trump or George W. Bush.

In fact, by his criteria--Iraq, protectionism, Panama trade deal, not having a Super PAC, Trump is more qualified than Clinton. As would be Pat Buchanan.

Also not qualified by his standards: Barack Obama (Clinton implemented the deal as Obama's secretary of state).

he's going to force Obama into rebuking his out of line comments.

[think]

39. Hillary's chief economic adviser pushed for and helped write the CFMA. She blamed Bernie for

voting for it when it was snuck into an omnibus spending bill that even her husband had signed.

Talk about being an ass...

[bvf]

80. What's your native language?

[senz]

88. I see you took off all your Third Way apparatus.

How come?

[metroins]

5. I realized it about 2 months ago nt

[runaway hero]

6. It's not good.

You can't talk that way about women.

[jfern]

8. But smearing men is perfectly fine? Got it.

[runaway hero]

23. I'm just saying.

Look what happened to Trump yesterday!

[morningfog]

25. For fucks sake. This has nothing to do with her gender.

[TheFarS1de]

67. However gender .....

is the basis of the outrage . If in doubt label it as such and proclaim moral outrage . Cut and paste indignation that cheapens the issue as a whole while at the same time lessens the impact of the wolf cries . They will harvest what they sow .

[jfern]

7. But Hillary was fine when she implied he wasn't qualified first?

You can dish it out, but can't take the heat.

[Sheepshank]

11. You know that you should back that up....right?

[jfern]

15. She was asked if he was qualified

She said he hadn't done his homework.

Also last night her campaign said they were going to disqualify him.

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination.
As Sanders took a victory lap following a 14-point triumph in Wisconsin, Clinton took fresh aim at the Vermont senator as part of a three-part strategy before the New York primary on April 19: Disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

I guess people are in shock that after Hillary went nuclear Bernie decided no more Mister Nice guy. Get over it.

[Sheepshank]

21. She never said it...thanks nt

[jfern]

22. You can dish it out, but can't take it

[morningfog]

29. She's too much of a scripted coward.

She has others do her dirty work and then plays pitiful me. It didn't fool anyone in 2008 and it isn't fooling anyone now. Except the willfully, happily fooled hill peeps.

[Sheepshank]

34. Everyone freaking out over the obvious...she never said it. Nt

[radical noodle]

47. He's being called a liar because of this

She NEVER said he was unqualified.

[PowerToThePeople]

9. Truth hurts?

[Agschmid]

10. Sure seems like, and I've voted for him several times.

I didn't realize it when he was my senator...

But the national stage is different, and I'm not behind him in this primary.

[oldandhappy]

13. he is honest and ethical and speaks truth -- not always pleasant information

You called him an ass and a jerk but since I do not know you I really do not know what that means. I saw his speeches last night and tonight and he was simply telling his truth. These are all issues he and I and you care about.

And it is OK to take some time off and listen to Hillary!! That always sends me right back to alternative media.

[BeyondGeography]

14. He has a temper

It was only a matter of time. I knew that when I saw this a while back:

If you can't handle some heat from a blowhard at a town hall then you're not going to keep your cool all the way through a presidential campaign.

[artislife]

46. You think he will topple a regime, though?

She is a warhawk and mighty snarly when confronted and she thinks there is no recording going on.

[BeyondGeography]

63. It's a fair question but you have to get the job first

I think she wins on qualifications and he has a good argument on basic judgment. None of that will matter if he can't keep his cool. Everyone who is not on his side will be coming at him hard the next two weeks and a lot of it won't be fair. Today was not a good start for him.

[frylock]

51. Really?

[BeyondGeography]

65. She has her issues, too

That incident read a lot worse than it looked, though.

[Autumn]

73. You seen Hillary's temper?

[azmom]

16. Hillary is the ass with her sleazy campaign.

When a woman speaks some people think it's shouting. Such fucking bullshit from day one.

[jillan]

17. That's ok. If I posted the adjective I use to describe Hillary, I'd be banned.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Don't let the fact that Hillary started this stop you from slinging names around.

[bigwillq]

19. A jerk in politics?

Gasp. I guess that's something he does have in common with the Clintons.

[amborin]

20. HRC took the low, smearing swiftboating road; last nite she said she's attack; as if she hasn't been

she has no plans or platform, just status quo to the benefit of the elite

[EffieBlack]

27. "But she started it!" is a laughable response

It's pathetic when Donald Trump whines it and it's no less pathetic when used to defend Bernie's behavior.

[frylock]

56. What kind of weak-ass strategy is it to allow yourself to be swiftboated?

[baldguy]

26. The more I see the more I dislike him.

If it's not the arrogant presumption, it's the hypocrisy & lies.

[Bohemianwriter]

37. where has Bernie lied?

Do you support Hillary because in your mind she's a fountain of truth and integrity?

[runaway hero]

60. he hasn't lied

he just needs to check his temper.

[baldguy]

61. You keep believing that. Don't worry your poor little head about it.

[redstateblues]

70. He's become a serial liar. Sad to see someone start honest and

start to lie as things get tight. Combine that with his confusion about breaking up the big banks and it looks like the pressure is starting to get to him.

[DemocracyDirect]

79. Need to look in the mirror and realize that you are not looking at an alternative reality...

What you have said applies perfectly to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

But most of us wouldn't be so mean to say it.

[redstateblues]

101. I know it's hard to admit that the hero you idolize

has become just another lying politician

[Peregrine Took]

28. And I'm supposed to care what you always thought because? N/t

[bkkyosemite]

31. Crap[ what she just said on twitter takes the cake.

[artislife]

48. ^^^Truth!

[ibegurpard]

32. Lol no you didnt

Do you think people can't look up your previous rants?
Spare us.

[phleshdef]

33. The Clinton's have never ran a campaign without getting down in the muck.

You are being disingenuous and you know it.

[m-lekktor]

45. They wallow in sewage, they are the vilest of vile. They represent everything that

is WRONG with politics.

[redstateblues]

38. Bernie's lies have become bigger and more frequent

He is definitely not ready for prime time. Sad to see. I used to respect him

[artislife]

50. And she's an effing angel.

[m-lekktor]

40. Seriously? I NEVER got the impression you liked Bernie Sanders. this is news to me. nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

42. If you think spelling out her disaster after disaster of a career is being an ass...

Well then I hope Bernie Sanders keeps being an ass till he takes that nomination and enters the white house.

[CentralMass]

43. Nice talking point.

[Kalidurga]

44. Yes because accusing someone of arming mass shooters is a non-jerk thing to do.

So, no I don't care if you think Bernie is a jerk. Hillary isn't just a jerk she actively looks for business opportunities in toppling the leaders of other countries. Yeah, so think Bernie is a jerk all you like. The facts don't look good on Hillary for a reason.

[ViseGrip]

53. All the media/party help and Sanders should take this shit from her?

It just doesn't work that way. She has gone negative a while ago. It's not going to work out.

[ecstatic]

54. As a former regular MSNBC viewer, I've known he was a jerk for years.

An arrogant, dismissive jerk.

[malokvale77]

55. I thought from the start...

you might be a jerk.

You have not proved me wrong.

[EffieBlack]

64. Thank you for providing an excellent example of why I often criticize some Sanders supporters

It would have been nice if you all had followed your candidate's lead and elevated the tone of your online debates, but sadly, it seems that instead, he's following yours.

[malokvale77]

71. Sadly, you follow the tone of HRC.

What can I say?

[TM99]

77. So let me see if I get have this right.

You can say that Sanders is not even a decent person but in fact really a jerk.

And if we push back against your bullshit comments, then we should follow our candidate's lead and elevate the tone in online debates?



Fuck me, you are a hoot! You are not even consistent even within your own damned thread. You swing a punch and then when others throw one back you get all holier than thou. Typical narcissistic bullying behavior by Clinton and apparently now her followers.

[Beacool]

72. You just proved his point.

Another classy Sanders' supporter........

[malokvale77]

74. He's a johnny-come-lately compared to you. nt

[frylock]

59. Poor Hillary.

[awake]

66. When I frist heard about this I was surprised but after listening to it I feel it was hard hitting..

.. Not snarky! He connected her qualification to be pres. to her actions and her taking very large sums of money from Wallstreet as well as her use of supper pacs also he questioned her vote to go to war in Iraq. He showed that he has a backbone able to stand up to what ever is thrown at him ether by Hillary, Trump, Cruse or whom ever. When Bernie says he will have our back we now have seen that he has the abality not just to take it but to dish it, he can protect our back so I will protect his.

[Matariki]

68. Is this part of the 'disqualify' him thing?

Or part of the 'attack his strengths' thing?

[basselope]

69. Does telling the truth bother you that much?

[bettyellen]

75. He was a sucker to take the bait. Reporters tried to get Hillary to say the same thing a few times

and she was too smart to do that. He really fucked up.

[Beacool]

82. Except that it wasn't a game of "gotcha" with reporters.

He said it at one of his rallies. He knew exactly what he was saying, it wasn't a slip of the tongue. That's far worse.

[bettyellen]

86. you're right, I think the bait was reacting to the WaPo article that seemed to quote Hillary....

but actually did not.

[delrem]

84. Would you count Hillary Clinton tweeting Sandy Hook against Sanders as a "tone" argument?

[bettyellen]

85. why change the subject?

[Bonobo]

81. People are complicated, Effie.

Did anyone ever get the (mistaken) impression that you are an ass?

It's because people are complex and have many sides.

Whether or not those sides are shown speaks to a person's honesty as much as it does to their character.

We all have buttons.

[delrem]

83. Proly because you're still a bit miffed about Wisconsin, just yesterday.

So you're feeling especially vulnerable.

Tone is important, though.

Would you count Hillary Clinton tweeting Sandy Hook against Sanders as a "tone" argument?

[EffieBlack]

115. I'm not miffed about Wisconsin. But nice try at deflection

[ForgoTheConsequence]

87. He's a jerk because he's winning.

Personally, I think sending 2000 Americans to their death in an illegal war and making 15 millions dollars off for profit colleges is pretty "jerky" but hey we all have are different standards.

[senz]

89. You sure had me fooled, EffieBlack.

I thought you couldn't stand him from the getgo.

[yardwork]

90. I was just thinking the same thing.

[bigtree]

91. I'm less charitable

..I think he's a slick and calculating politician who operates very much like the politicians and political figures he regularly criticizes.

He doesn't deserve goodwill and comity toward his campaign because of the arrogance and superiority he's displayed toward his rival and anyone who dares support her.

[LexVegas]

92. I think he is a sexist, lying jerk. nt

[TheSarcastinator]

95. don't forget "commie"!!

You forget the red baiting: it usually gets played right after the accusation of sexism.

[LexVegas]

96. I thought he was a socialist? Either way, being a sexist doesn't relate to ones politcal leanings.nt

[TheSarcastinator]

98. more ratf*cking!

Hows that working out? Feeling confident that the ad hominems are more effective when directed against Sanders than they did against Obama?

[LexVegas]

100. What does that have to do with your guy being a sexist jerk? nt

[Bluenorthwest]

111. What about your candidate praising Reagan for doing what he did not do while claiming the LGBT

community waited for Reagan's leadership to guide the nation on AIDS? Talk about ignorant, bigoted, right wing patriarchy supporting rhetoric. Why do you support that? Do you believe all of that?

[geek tragedy]

93. "May be?" nt

[Vinca]

97. I used to think the same about Hillary.

[pdsimdars]

103. I think this meme went stale months ago

I used to support Bernie until . . . . . . . .

or


I'm a Bernie supporter, but . . . . .


I think they have a $hillary talking points updater app. Check it out, get some of the freshers memes and get back with us. OK?

[EffieBlack]

116. I never claimed to be a Bernie supporter

I said I always liked him. Two different things.

[Hiraeth]

106. "Bernie, please don't prove me wrong."

[Avalux]

108. So the disqualification smear is working on you - sorry to hear that.

Question - have you actually seen him behaving like a jerk in person? I have not seen that.

It's interesting to me how a man who has lived his life in true service to others and has a good reputation among his colleagues (on both sides) would SUDDENLY become a jerk at 74 years old.

Think about it.

[Baobab]

112. I thought Hillary was a decent person until sometime in 2007 or 2008 when I realized both she and

Obama were lying to us shamelessly on health care because of #WTO.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

113. I thought Hillary was a decent person. Figured out I was really high. Laughed.

[NightWatcher]

117. Sure, because Hillary didn't do this same shit in '08. Wait, she did

[Bread and Circus]

118. I am sorry but I your original post is self serving garbage.