Did the Vatican just gaslight the Hillary Campaign? I think so...

[reformist2]

How to gaslight someone:

1.) First say something outrageous that is designed to elicit a reaction from your opponent.
Check.

2.) Wait for opponent to react, to take the bait, as it were.
Check.

3.) Once opponent is on the record by advancing the outrageous statement, reverse course and vehemently deny the thing that they ran with.
Check.

4.) Wait for opponent to implode. If opponent retracts, they look like idiots. If they don't retract but double down instead, they look crazy.
Checkmate!

[TM99]

1. Yes, I am certain the Vatican

is that interested in our electoral politics.

The simpler answer is someone with connections to the Clinton campaign tried to smear Sanders. It failed miserably. Now they are trying to deflect attention away by nitpicking whether he will or won't actually meet the Pope in private or in public at the conference.

The salient question is what will Clinton be doing that day? Yes, she will be in Hong Kong doing a $2700.00 minimum admission donation fund raiser.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. No, Clinton won't be in Hong Kong. That report turned out to be wrong.

There will be a fund-raiser in Hong Kong but it is being held by one of her cronies, a former Goldman Sachs partner. She will not be there herself.

[TM99]

7. Do we have confirmation please?

Thanks.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Here:

It's a high-buck fundraiser by a former Goldman-Sachs partner.

Update I: Adam B tells me Clinton is not going to the fundraiser.

Update II: hillaryspeeches.com/…

It is an official scheduled event described as follows:

RI, APR 15, 2016, 8:00PM – 10:00PM

Official event

Dinner with Gary Gensler, Chief Financial Officer
Hosted by
Young Joon Kim, Tony Miller, Robert Roche, Ruby Shang, Carolyn Wu, Wenchi Yu and James Zimmerman

Home of Laura Howard

For more information contact Giulia Marchiori Ceresa at [e-mail] or [phone]

Please note that involvement in the Hillary for America campaign is limited to US Citizens and permanent residents. Participants will be asked to provide documentation of their US passport or green card.
Hillary CFO is more accurate. Thanks Adam.

US Uncut assumed Hillary was there.

Update III: I edited the title to be more accurate.

The point is still correct though. Real contrast.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/8/1512575/-While-Bernie-meets-Pope-Francis-Hillary-Hosts-Fundraiser-in-Hong-Kong-w-Former-Goldman-Exec

[BernieforPres2016]

13. Gensler is the guy who set Hillary up to ratfuck Bernie in the January debate

Here's a link to Thom Hartmann's column on it.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34497-the-most-disingenuous-attack-on-bernie-yet

<If you watched Sunday's Democratic debate, you learned something interesting about Bernie Sanders: he voted for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, something Hillary Clinton was all too eager to point out when the two of them got to talking about Wall Street reform.

Sounds pretty bad, right? The guy who goes on and on about how bad Wall Street is actually voted for the bill that crashed economy. So much for all that "political revolution" stuff.

But here's the thing: Hillary Clinton isn't telling a true story about Bernie Sanders and his vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, or CFMA.

As Robert Scheer has pointed out over at Truthdig, then-Congressman Sanders voted for the CFMA, not because he wanted to, but because he had to.

The CFMA had been shoved into an omnibus spending bill at the last minute as part of a deal between Republicans and President Bill Clinton, and because this was a time when, you know, Congress actually did its job, Sanders bit the bullet and voted for the whole package - CFMA included - to keep the government open.>


As Hartmann goes on to point out, Gary Gensler was the one who pushed that CTMA into the Omnibus spending deal with help from Bill Clinton and the Republicans in Congress. Bernie found out about it, and in 2009 he put a hold on Gensler's nomination by Obama to head the CTFC. Gensler was eventually confirmed anyway. Then Gensler told Hillary how to hit Bernie for supposedly supporting something that Gensler himself had jammed into an Omnibus spending bill.

This is who the Clintons are and how they operate. It is karma that the Wall Street weasel Gensler will be hosting a high dollar fundraiser for Hillary in Hong Kong while Bernie is at the Vatican talking about income inequality and the poor.

[SHRED]

23. +10

[thesquanderer]

10. She can't be in two places at once. AFAIK, this is still what's scheduled for the 15th...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207

[TM99]

18. Thanks y'all.

I stand corrected but fuck me the Clooney fundraiser is even worse! $353K to sit with them versus Sanders at the Vatican walking his talk.

[riderinthestorm]

16. She's at Clooney's $350k/plate fundraiser that night

Schmoozing with the 1%...

[kgnu_fan]

17. all the way to Hong Kong to get some $$$$$$

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. No, I don't think so.

What's more likely is that there's some internal conflict between Bishop Sarondo, who issued the invitation, and Margaret Archer, an administrator who might have felt disrespected (maybe she thought the invitation should have come from her and not Sarondo). I really doubt that this Vatican organization is interested in getting involved in US primary politics to the extent of playing that sort of game - if at all. Sanders was invited because of his long involvement with issues of economic justice and Archer didn't like the way it was done. And that's probably all there was to it.

[potone]

3. That is a new definition.

To "gaslight" someone is to try to make that perfectly sane person think that he or she is crazy; the term comes from the movie "Gaslight" in which a husband tried to make his wife think that she was crazy because he was planning to rob her. It is a very cruel thing to do, and it is absurd to think that that was the intention of the Vatican.

[reformist2]

8. I am joking, of course. But today's events had the effect of making Hillary supporters look crazy.

It's just funny to think it was done on purpose!

[potone]

11. O.K.

Really, some of the comments that I have read by Hillary supporters on this topic are so paranoid and irrational, I no longer can even tell what is parody or satire and what is sincere.

[pdsimdars]

14. Honestly though, Hillary supporters don't need any help to make themselves look crazy

Am I right?

As usual.

[TheBlackAdder]

22. A level of neurosis blankets a few, as they stress out over stupid shit that means nothing.

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They scurry with OP after OP trying to validate some perception, void of objective critical analysis.

The sad part is, the few who do this seem to feed off of each other, driving a downward spiral.


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[TheBlackAdder]

20. Sure is. The OP uses some made up "gaslight" to fit some bullshit narrative.

[Armstead]

4. Nah...I just think they have their own internal politcs and personality clashes

[Bobbie Jo]

6. Do what?

[chascarrillo]

12. "Gaslighting" was a term that was in use decades before the movie was made

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

[pdsimdars]

15. Why I remember it from my early years in the 1800s

[ibegurpard]

21. They're certainly acting completely out of their minds

I've never seen anything like this.