Will there be any female Catholic priests at Bernie's conference?

[redstateblues]

[Else You Are Mad]

1. Will there be anyone...

... not from the .1% at Hillary's fund raiser on the same day of the forum?

[vintx]

4. LOL

I love how easy it is to show Hillary up as a shill for the only constituency she's ever truly cared about.

[Hoyt]

2. Good point. From the agenda, it looks like a bunch of white guys, with two women.

Conference programme:

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf


Of course, none of them are Priests, not even Nuns.

[99Forever]

10. Ahhh. So the Jewish guy is now responsible for the gender make-up of the Catholic Church!

Holy moly! Whodda thunk it?

[Hoyt]

11. Of course not, but seems he always ends up surrounded by white guys.

[99Forever]

14. Bullshit.

SSDD

[thesquanderer]

15. always ends up surrounded by white guys... You mean like this?

[Hoyt]

21. I don't know, wearing white pants and shoes to a protest doesn't look very convincing.

[thesquanderer]

22. So he should have gone in blackface? What's your point? That others had it worse?

At least he wasn't supporting Goldwater.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. JFC, again? Call the Fashion Police. Was he wearing white before Memorial Day or after Labor Day?

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Somehow, I bet you've never done anything worthy of making that comment.


Keep representing, as I've discussed before with you.


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[surrealAmerican]

24. What are you, his mother?

"He ruined a perfectly good pair of pants!"

That's your argument?


On edit: they might have been khaki - it's hard to tell in high-contrast black and white photos.

[Fawke Em]

34. The style looks like khaki to me.

But, white pants were popular in that era, too.

[whatchamacallit]

40. Your post is disgusting

of course.

[Hoyt]

43. Well, it is one of those photos that kinda of looks like Dukakis sitting in a tank.

Helped cost him the election too, to our detriment.

[noamnety]

51. I'm not seeing the connection.

Unless you mean that both photos are rectangular.

Bernie was fighting for civil rights. You can appreciate that people were willing to get arrested to fight for civil rights, or shit on them for it. Your decision, of course - but it speaks volumes about what's in your heart.

You don't have to agree with his politics but attacking people BECAUSE they were involved in that fight is beyond ugly.

[Hoyt]

52. I'm saying he doesn't look as convincing as people his campaign trashed- John Lewis, J Clyburn, etc.

[Bohemianwriter]

56. Bernie never trashed John Lewis....

John Lewis sold out to Hillary and trashed Bernie - Karl Rove style....

[Hoyt]

57. LMAO. There you go.

[noamnety]

58. "didn't look arresty enough while getting arrested"

Lord help us.

[Hoyt]

62. He darn sure wasn't being beaten.

[noamnety]

69. If he were a true activist

He would have grabbed the policeman's club and clubbed himself if the cops refused to do it.

[TeddyR]

80. This picture is slightly less a disaster

Than Hills' dog bark. Seriously, Hills barked like a dog. That was awful. We'll see that in attack ads this fall.

[thesquanderer]

83. Can you not distinguish between a photo op and a real event? (n/t)

[Hoyt]

84. Sanders doesn't look exactly like he put himself on the front lines of a violent

protest. It's pretty close to a photo op. I'm not saying Sanders didn't do something worthy, but it does look like a college protest, not what the real Civil Rights icons risked. Then Sanders and his supports trashed every Democratic icon who didn't endorse him, and some were downright racist about it too.

[thesquanderer]

85. So, what, activism doesn't count unless it is life threatening?

It was not a college protest (not that there's anything to be ashamed of there, and he was a college activist as well).

I doubt Bernie was looking for photo ops in 1963.

Also, when did Sanders "trash" a Democratic icon who didn't support him?

[tabasco]

41. What a vile and cowardly thing to post.

You need to find some decency and integrity.

[frylock]

55. It's what vile cowards do.

[frylock]

54. You're right. It probably never happened, and those photos are fabricated.

[Armstead]

38. You're usually at least intelligent in your snarks

This is just stupid

[redstateblues]

29. So women aren't qualified to be priests in the Catholic Church?

[99Forever]

37. Why the fuck are you asking me?

Do I look like the Pope to you?

I'm an agnostic, FFS. If you have a gripe with the Catholic Church I highly fucking recommend you take it up with them. Leave me the fuck out of your faux poutrage.

[alcina]

27. I think Evo Morales

Would dispute your characterization of him as a "white guy."

[chascarrillo]

64. Hsin-Chi Kuan, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga...

Not to mention that Evo Morales is very well known as the first indigenous president of Bolivia. And, hold your seat, he's a politician, too!

[potone]

3. You know the answer to that question.

So why ask? You are just looking for another reason to find fault with Bernie's trip, since all of the other criticisms have fallen flat. Best to let this one go.

[artislife]

19. Let them declare war on the Catholic Church

And break my people from her grasp forever.

I grew up going to a house with a pope doll that was changed for the seasons of the year. I did the stations of the cross, I lit candles and prayed to a bloody Christ sitting on the saddest depiction of Mother Mary. Oh, let them at it.

This ought to be good.

[AgingAmerican]

5. Are you flummoxed?

This is just pathetic

[Avalux]

6. No of course not and you know that. What is your point? n/t

[polly7]

7. The Vatican has tremendous impact on many people

worldwide with the power to affect change in all of those things this conference will be addressing. I don't agree with much of the Catholic Church's doctrine but this goes beyond religion, and the Pope has been pushing these causes himself since being named.

The suffering of the world can't wait.

[mak3cats]

8. This red herring didn't work yesterday...

...and it won't work today. These kinds of posts really makes the Clinton campaign look desperate, IMHO. Strawman grasping at its finest.

[GreatGazoo]

9. I'll mention issues and you tell me why each and every one of them is incredibly "SEXIST"

1. We should have universal healthcare for all of our citizens.

2. We should have a national minimum wage of $15 per hour.

3. We should limit our foreign interventions and regime changes like the ones that made a mess out of Iraq and Libya.

4. We should have tuition free public college available for all.

[alcina]

32. Oh! This looks like fun!

If my hands weren't frozen and I wasn't trying to type on my phone, I'd definitely play.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Yes. But the robes make it very difficult to get an accurate count.

[mak3cats]

13. LMAO!! (eom)

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

16. Margaret Archer?

[seabeyond]

17. Sanders will put women's issues and gay's issues to the side because they disagree. Nt

[Bluenorthwest]

39. Here's Nancy Pelosi's glowing review of Francis in Congress, no mention of LGBT or women's issues:

“The Holy Father Pope Francis’ address to Congress was extraordinary. With absolute clarity, beauty and moral urgency, Pope Francis called on all of us to be better stewards of Creation and instruments of God’s peace.

“Standing in the very heart of our democracy, Pope Francis spoke to the better angels of our nature and of the American people. He reminded us of our sacred and inescapable responsibility to those struggling to escape poverty, persecution and war. He challenged us to rescue our planet from the climate crisis that threatens the future of our children and the health of God’s creation – and to do so sensitive to the needs of the poor. His Holiness urged us to live our values and reach beyond our divisions.

“On a personal note, my husband Paul, my children and I have more than 100 years of Catholic education among us, and this has been a day of profound joy for my family. It has been an awesome privilege to welcome His Holiness to the Congress. My deepest thanks to the Pope for the honor of his historic visit and the elevating, illuminating leadership he continues to provide Catholics and non-Catholics the world over. May the Holy Father’s message of hope, peace and dialogue echo through the halls of the Capitol and across the country for a long time to come.”
http://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/pelosi-statement-on-pope-francis-address-to-congress/


And here's Obama's greeting to Francis, fully devoid of any mention of women priests, LGBT rights or contraception:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/23/remarks-president-obama-and-his-holiness-pope-francis-arrival-ceremony

'But it's different for Bernie' they say 'we can't say why. Wink wink. Nudge nudge. Different....'

[cyberswede]

44. Well, he'll probably discuss the issues that the seminar is about.

I wouldn't expect him to talk about the idolatry of money at a gay pride parade.

[seabeyond]

48. I betcha he will not be really participating in the discussion. But, that is a wait and see.

How this plays out is not clear at all.

[cyberswede]

49. Attendees at conferences are there to learn more about issues, even if they don't present.

There's nothing wrong with attending a conference to learn about things from the perspective of others - from participants and other attendees.

There will be plenty of opportunities for him to discuss issues with people there, even informally.

Not sure what your gripe is...

[99Forever]

67. And what will Hillary be doing at this conference?

I guess we'll have to "wait and see."

[mmonk]

18. Yes! Because exploitation of the poor and care taking of the earth

do not exist as long as the Democrats take a dollar from the exploiters and do their bidding when in office.

[thesquanderer]

20. OTOH, Hillary hangs with leaders of countries who are abysmal on women's rights...

...but I guess it's okay because she takes money from them?

[polly7]

25. In exchange for weapons currently being used to commit horrific war-crimes against small children.

[thesquanderer]

28. Saudi Arabia, the Vatican, I keep getting those two mixed up... (n/t)

[Ferd Berfel]

30. Attack the Cathollics?

and somehow Bernie is responsible for that?
Go for it Lucky!





Admit it- the real problems here is that her highness wasn't invited.

[redstateblues]

31. Why does the Catholic Church forbid women from being priests?

Someone educate me. I've never heard the reason.

[SDJay]

35. The Apostles...

It's because Jesus named 12 men as his apostles. These apostles were chosen to spread his teachings after his time on earth, and that's just always the way it's been.

Note: I'm not saying I agree with this or that it's a valid explanation at all. I'm just trying to answer your question as someone who was raised in a staunchly Catholic household.

[geek tragedy]

33. 28/30 are men, nt

[cyberswede]

46. And?

Contact the organizers of the conference and ask them to include more women next time.

[geek tragedy]

75. Just stating a fact.

Also a fact: one of the two women is Margaret Archer.

[Autumn]

36. Yes a whole shitload of them

[whatchamacallit]

42. I doubt you'd ask if Hillary had been invited and accepted

but that's SOP with hillfolk.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Where there any female Catholic priests at Hillary's Wall Street gigs?

Any, homeless female attendees?

[jillan]

47. Welcome to Day 2 of the Poutrage.

[restorefreedom]

50. if you want to start slamming the catholic church, bring it.

states left to vote

ny
nj
ct
ri
pa
ca

all with large catholic populations...

so i see you making sure hillary has zero chance of winning a general if by some freak event she becomes the nominee...good plan

[frylock]

53. This invitation is just killing you guys!

[QC]

61. This is the most entertaining DU has been in years!

I keep closing the browser window, since I have a lot of work to do, but I can't stay away!

[frylock]

63. It is truly fascinating.

I know I shouldn't waste my weekend poking fun at them, but like you, I can't look away!

[QC]

66. It's like one of those train wrecks they used to stage for audiences!

[magical thyme]

59. 1. I wasn't aware Bernie was hosting a conference. 2. Not priests, but yes academics nt

[Ken Burch]

60. Were there any when THIS happened?

[redstateblues]

65. There are no female priests. My question is

What does the church have against women? Why aren't they good enough. Why can't anyone answer that question?

[Ken Burch]

68. Don't know. It needs to change. But you're making it sound like this is on Bernie somehow.

Nobody in American politics is going to be able to change the Church's position on women in the priesthood. Certainly HRC would never be able to, and we can assume she didn't mention it on the occasion shown in the photo I posted.

[redstateblues]

74. On Bernie? The Catholic Church's ban on women in the priesthood

has nothing to do with Bernie or any politician. I just think it is pretty appalling that in 2016 an institution as powerful as the Catholic Church relegates women to second class status. I haven't heard any good rationales yet. I'm a member of an inclusive church that has a female pastor and we haven't been struck by lightning yet! I remember when the current Pope was installed there was an outpouring of disdain for the institution on DU for it's sexism. Guess it's cool now. Carry on.

[arcane1]

78. "It has nothing to do with Bernie, but I posted it in the Primaries forum"

And with "guess it's cool now" you show your true colors. Exploiting sexism to score cheap points.

Credibility = 0

[chascarrillo]

71. Then your post is off topic for this board. -nt-

[arcane1]

77. I'm sure you accidentally posted your "honest" question about the church in the Primaries forum.

You are so pathetically transparent, I'm surprised you can't see your internal organs

[beam me up scottie]

82. When did you start asking this question? If it's today please stop exploiting my cause.

I don't appreciate being used as a pawn so you can bash Bernie.

[nichomachus]

70. Are there any female leaders of The Family cult?

Hillary goes there regularly to pay homage. Unfortunately, the women there only get to cook and clean for the Bretheren. Why hasn't she done something about that?

[Goblinmonger]

72. I hope you are out in support of calling the RCC on their bigotry in the future.

It will be appreciated. What usually happens is that people that point that out are called religious bigots who just don't understand the awesomeness of the Pope Frank.

It's good to see another ally. Hope to see you fighting the good fight. You should come to the Religion forum. There are many there that don't want to deal with the bigotry of the Pope and the RCC when it comes to women, LGTBQ, and other issues. And who ignore the child rape scandals.

Here, I'll make it easy for you. Come on over. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1218

Or is this just a means to try and criticize Sanders?

I'm guessing it's that. Right?

In which case, two things:
1. So the Jewish guy is responsible for the dogma of the RCC? Seems silly.
2. He has already said that he doesn't agree with the pope on issues of women and gay rights. Has Clinton said the same thing?

[arcane1]

79. They'll have to offer condemnation toward ALL Dems who are Catholic too. Biden first.

I don't see that happening, because the poster is not being honest. Just cheap.

[WhiteTara]

73. ...

women have 2 roles in the RCC...mother or whore

[arcane1]

76. Yep, Jewish Bernie hates women because there are no women Catholic priests.

Got it

[beam me up scottie]

81. Were there any when Obama met with the popes? You might want to watch who you throw under the wheels

UNDER THE BUS WITH OBAMA!!!