2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHonestly, Bernie going to the Vatican
is just a cheap political stunt. Even you Bernie supporters have to agree with that. Like he would do this December. He is only doing it for the NY primary.
New Yorkers are pretty savvy. This does work over in republican land where the Jesus card is always used.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)KPN
(15,645 posts)mothers of black people killed by police; residents of Flint MI immediately after the water issue becomes national news; etc., etc.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Here's a link to Pope Francis' encyclical Laudato si'. I'm not a Catholic, in fact I'm atheist, but I'm also an environmentalist and my first priority is dealing with climate change by decarbonizing the global economy. As such, I see this document is an incredibly positive step for the effort to move us in a new direction. It is something any liberal should be proud to embrace.
This is a part of the introduction.
2. This sister now cries out to us because of the harm we have inflicted on her by our irresponsible use and abuse of the goods with which God has endowed her. We have come to see ourselves as her lords and masters, entitled to plunder her at will. The violence present in our hearts, wounded by sin, is also reflected in the symptoms of sickness evident in the soil, in the water, in the air and in all forms of life. This is why the earth herself, burdened and laid waste, is among the most abandoned and maltreated of our poor; she groans in travail (Rom 8:22). We have forgotten that we ourselves are dust of the earth (cf. Gen 2 ); our very bodies are made up of her elements, we breathe her air and we receive life and refreshment from her waters.
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My appeal
13. The urgent challenge to protect our common home includes a concern to bring the whole human family together to seek a sustainable and integral development, for we know that things can change. The Creator does not abandon us; he never forsakes his loving plan or repents of having created us. Humanity still has the ability to work together in building our common home. Here I want to recognize, encourage and thank all those striving in countless ways to guarantee the protection of the home which we share. Particular appreciation is owed to those who tirelessly seek to resolve the tragic effects of environmental degradation on the lives of the worlds poorest. Young people demand change. They wonder how anyone can claim to be building a better future without thinking of the environmental crisis and the sufferings of the excluded.
14. I urgently appeal, then, for a new dialogue about how we are shaping the future of our planet. We need a conversation which includes everyone, since the environmental challenge we are undergoing, and its human roots, concern and affect us all. The worldwide ecological movement has already made considerable progress and led to the establishment of numerous organizations committed to raising awareness of these challenges. Regrettably, many efforts to seek concrete solutions to the environmental crisis have proved ineffective, not only because of powerful opposition but also because of a more general lack of interest. Obstructionist attitudes, even on the part of believers, can range from denial of the problem to indifference, nonchalant resignation or blind confidence in technical solutions. We require a new and universal solidarity. As the bishops of Southern Africa have stated: Everyones talents and involvement are needed to redress the damage caused by human abuse of Gods creation. [22] All of us can cooperate as instruments of God for the care of creation, each according to his or her own culture, experience, involvements and talents.
15. It is my hope that this Encyclical Letter, which is now added to the body of the Churchs social teaching, can help us to acknowledge the appeal, immensity and urgency of the challenge we face. I will begin by briefly reviewing several aspects of the present ecological crisis, with the aim of drawing on the results of the best scientific research available today, letting them touch us deeply and provide a concrete foundation for the ethical and spiritual itinerary that follows. I will then consider some principles drawn from the Judaeo-Christian tradition which can render our commitment to the environment more coherent. I will then attempt to get to the roots of the present situation, so as to consider not only its symptoms but also its deepest causes. This will help to provide an approach to ecology which respects our unique place as human beings in this world and our relationship to our surroundings. In light of this reflection, I will advance some broader proposals for dialogue and action which would involve each of us as individuals, and also affect international policy. Finally, convinced as I am that change is impossible without motivation and a process of education, I will offer some inspired guidelines for human development to be found in the treasure of Christian spiritual experience.
16. Although each chapter will have its own subject and specific approach, it will also take up and re-examine important questions previously dealt with. This is particularly the case with a number of themes which will reappear as the Encyclical unfolds. As examples, I will point to the intimate relationship between the poor and the fragility of the planet, the conviction that everything in the world is connected, the critique of new paradigms and forms of power derived from technology, the call to seek other ways of understanding the economy and progress, the value proper to each creature, the human meaning of ecology, the need for forthright and honest debate, the serious responsibility of international and local policy, the throwaway culture and the proposal of a new lifestyle. These questions will not be dealt with once and for all, but reframed and enriched again and again.
Chapter One
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http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)really spin out all you want
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)But he's going to a conference on a topic that he has been publicly vocal about for decades.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)attempt to gain an edge in NY.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)They don't know whether to shit or go blind.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,692 posts)about "the idolatry of money" at the same time Hillary will swanning about with the Clooneys at a $350K fundraiser. The optics suck for her and you know it. Anyhow, since the Vatican organization invited Bernie at the behest of the Pope's friend Msgr. Sarono, it's pretty hard to call this a political stunt, unless the Vatican is conspiring with Bernie, which is doubtful. The more you guys flog this issue the more ridiculous and envious you look.
Envy is one of the deadly sins, along with greed, anger and pride - all of which seem to be showing up quite a bit in Hillary's camp lately. Go do some sloth, gluttony and lust instead; it's more fun for you and less annoying to others.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)The green eyed monster is unhappy.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)He's an attendee.
This isn't an issue off the inter webs but the Bernie campaign embellishing what he is going to Rome for will probably earn some more Pinocchios.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,692 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I figured as much.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)But this just feels so good!
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)and while you are at it call Diana Bernath who is pretty well known around Georgia and ask her if I am antisemitic. I only coached baseball with her husband for 5 years and the horrors is he is Jewish.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Thanks Bill Clinton, for this latest laugh-line.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The wailing and gnashing of teeth reminds me of when the bird landed on his podium.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Do you know you are posting to yourself? Are you supposed to be switching usernames? Why do you keep asking you about kook aid?
panader0
(25,816 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)referring to your OP. Am I right?
dragonfly301
(399 posts)In our country, the person who has been passionately speaking about income inequality for decades is Bernie. I'm sorry your gal wasn't invited too, I'm sure it stings. Maybe if she had just released the transcripts so that the Vatican could see that she said "cut it out" to Wall Street...
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)But you knew all that.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Bernie!
Autumn
(45,082 posts)up in Nevada highlighting the soft support she really has will pass, eventually. Here
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Jesus dude, step down from the ledge. You're being very un-Jerry right now.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I love how much this bothers you folks.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)It really seems to be a problem for Hillary supporters.
beedle
(1,235 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)You know the event has been planned for a long time right?
So, no, he is NOT only doing it for the NY primary.
P.S.--Jerry Garcia would have been an all in Bernie supporter and you know it.
Get a new avatar, or a new candidate.
Hawaiianlight
(63 posts)how ironic
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Any information he may glean from this conference will be good for all of us, not just for Catholics. The unbelievable baloney from those making negative political hay from this are really pushing the envelope.
What would Hillary supporters say if she was taking this trip?
I've about had it with the Bernie bashing. I had been open to all points of view but this bashing has made me a firm believer that Senator Sanders is on my side.
I'm too old to keep up with a lot of this but when the sparks start to fly, I pull back and find that I am more in line with Bernie.
I cannot stand the thought of 4 or 8 more years of the same old, same old. I am having trouble forgiving some of the current controversy regarding the e-mails, donations ,speeches, etcetera. Big questions arise!
I miss the old days with real political discourse.
DU is getting to be a big headache for me. I want to follow what is going on but with all the vitriol, I head for the aspirin!
Bluenorthwest
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Lots of context in those 13 hides.....
revbones
(3,660 posts)I certainly was.