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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:44 PM

 

Honestly, Bernie going to the Vatican

is just a cheap political stunt. Even you Bernie supporters have to agree with that. Like he would do this December. He is only doing it for the NY primary.

New Yorkers are pretty savvy. This does work over in republican land where the Jesus card is always used.

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Reply Honestly, Bernie going to the Vatican (Original post)
wilt the stilt Apr 2016 OP
NWCorona Apr 2016 #1
KPN Apr 2016 #4
kristopher Apr 2016 #25
Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #2
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #3
cyberswede Apr 2016 #5
wilt the stilt Apr 2016 #6
Hoyt Apr 2016 #7
Android3.14 Apr 2016 #8
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #9
whathehell Apr 2016 #31
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #42
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #43
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #10
GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #12
wilt the stilt Apr 2016 #13
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #22
reformist2 Apr 2016 #19
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #24
noiretextatique Apr 2016 #28
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #32
wilt the stilt Apr 2016 #11
Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #29
panader0 Apr 2016 #33
NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #14
dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #15
Schema Thing Apr 2016 #16
GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #17
reformist2 Apr 2016 #18
Autumn Apr 2016 #20
bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #21
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #23
hollowdweller Apr 2016 #26
noiretextatique Apr 2016 #27
beedle Apr 2016 #30
panader0 Apr 2016 #34
Hawaiianlight Apr 2016 #35
Paper Roses Apr 2016 #36
Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #37
revbones Apr 2016 #40
H2O Man Apr 2016 #38
revbones Apr 2016 #39
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #41

Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:45 PM

1. Nope!

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 PM

4. You mean like Hillary meeting with

mothers of black people killed by police; residents of Flint MI immediately after the water issue becomes national news; etc., etc.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:41 PM

25. Absolutely agree with your nope. Anyone posting that OP has warped values.

Here's a link to Pope Francis' encyclical Laudato si'. I'm not a Catholic, in fact I'm atheist, but I'm also an environmentalist and my first priority is dealing with climate change by decarbonizing the global economy. As such, I see this document is an incredibly positive step for the effort to move us in a new direction. It is something any liberal should be proud to embrace.

This is a part of the introduction.
1. “LAUDATO SI’, mi’ Signore” – “Praise be to you, my Lord”. In the words of this beautiful canticle, Saint Francis of Assisi reminds us that our common home is like a sister with whom we share our life and a beautiful mother who opens her arms to embrace us. “Praise be to you, my Lord, through our Sister, Mother Earth, who sustains and governs us, and who produces various fruit with coloured flowers and herbs”.[1]

2. This sister now cries out to us because of the harm we have inflicted on her by our irresponsible use and abuse of the goods with which God has endowed her. We have come to see ourselves as her lords and masters, entitled to plunder her at will. The violence present in our hearts, wounded by sin, is also reflected in the symptoms of sickness evident in the soil, in the water, in the air and in all forms of life. This is why the earth herself, burdened and laid waste, is among the most abandoned and maltreated of our poor; she “groans in travail” (Rom 8:22). We have forgotten that we ourselves are dust of the earth (cf. Gen 2); our very bodies are made up of her elements, we breathe her air and we receive life and refreshment from her waters.

<snip>

My appeal

13. The urgent challenge to protect our common home includes a concern to bring the whole human family together to seek a sustainable and integral development, for we know that things can change. The Creator does not abandon us; he never forsakes his loving plan or repents of having created us. Humanity still has the ability to work together in building our common home. Here I want to recognize, encourage and thank all those striving in countless ways to guarantee the protection of the home which we share. Particular appreciation is owed to those who tirelessly seek to resolve the tragic effects of environmental degradation on the lives of the world’s poorest. Young people demand change. They wonder how anyone can claim to be building a better future without thinking of the environmental crisis and the sufferings of the excluded.

14. I urgently appeal, then, for a new dialogue about how we are shaping the future of our planet. We need a conversation which includes everyone, since the environmental challenge we are undergoing, and its human roots, concern and affect us all. The worldwide ecological movement has already made considerable progress and led to the establishment of numerous organizations committed to raising awareness of these challenges. Regrettably, many efforts to seek concrete solutions to the environmental crisis have proved ineffective, not only because of powerful opposition but also because of a more general lack of interest. Obstructionist attitudes, even on the part of believers, can range from denial of the problem to indifference, nonchalant resignation or blind confidence in technical solutions. We require a new and universal solidarity. As the bishops of Southern Africa have stated: “Everyone’s talents and involvement are needed to redress the damage caused by human abuse of God’s creation”. [22] All of us can cooperate as instruments of God for the care of creation, each according to his or her own culture, experience, involvements and talents.

15. It is my hope that this Encyclical Letter, which is now added to the body of the Church’s social teaching, can help us to acknowledge the appeal, immensity and urgency of the challenge we face. I will begin by briefly reviewing several aspects of the present ecological crisis, with the aim of drawing on the results of the best scientific research available today, letting them touch us deeply and provide a concrete foundation for the ethical and spiritual itinerary that follows. I will then consider some principles drawn from the Judaeo-Christian tradition which can render our commitment to the environment more coherent. I will then attempt to get to the roots of the present situation, so as to consider not only its symptoms but also its deepest causes. This will help to provide an approach to ecology which respects our unique place as human beings in this world and our relationship to our surroundings. In light of this reflection, I will advance some broader proposals for dialogue and action which would involve each of us as individuals, and also affect international policy. Finally, convinced as I am that change is impossible without motivation and a process of education, I will offer some inspired guidelines for human development to be found in the treasure of Christian spiritual experience.

16. Although each chapter will have its own subject and specific approach, it will also take up and re-examine important questions previously dealt with. This is particularly the case with a number of themes which will reappear as the Encyclical unfolds. As examples, I will point to the intimate relationship between the poor and the fragility of the planet, the conviction that everything in the world is connected, the critique of new paradigms and forms of power derived from technology, the call to seek other ways of understanding the economy and progress, the value proper to each creature, the human meaning of ecology, the need for forthright and honest debate, the serious responsibility of international and local policy, the throwaway culture and the proposal of a new lifestyle. These questions will not be dealt with once and for all, but reframed and enriched again and again.

Chapter One

...


http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:46 PM

2. I see you have a firm grasp of the situation



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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:47 PM

3. OMG

really spin out all you want

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 PM

5. It he were auctioning off a dinner invite with George Clooney, I'd agree with you.

But he's going to a conference on a topic that he has been publicly vocal about for decades.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 PM

6. How is the kool aid?

 

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 PM

7. Exactly. Even worse, he looked us in the eye and essentially said the Pope summoned him in an

 

attempt to gain an edge in NY.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:51 PM

8. The bizarre flailing of Hillary supporters says it all

 

They don't know whether to shit or go blind.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:51 PM

9. You guys just can't stand it that Bernie was invited to speak

about "the idolatry of money" at the same time Hillary will swanning about with the Clooneys at a $350K fundraiser. The optics suck for her and you know it. Anyhow, since the Vatican organization invited Bernie at the behest of the Pope's friend Msgr. Sarono, it's pretty hard to call this a political stunt, unless the Vatican is conspiring with Bernie, which is doubtful. The more you guys flog this issue the more ridiculous and envious you look.

Envy is one of the deadly sins, along with greed, anger and pride - all of which seem to be showing up quite a bit in Hillary's camp lately. Go do some sloth, gluttony and lust instead; it's more fun for you and less annoying to others.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:53 PM

31. ..and Hillary was not

The green eyed monster is unhappy.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:24 PM

42. He isn't a listed speaker

He's an attendee.

This isn't an issue off the inter webs but the Bernie campaign embellishing what he is going to Rome for will probably earn some more Pinocchios.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:19 PM

43. Read this and tell me he's just going to be sitting there like a potted plant.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:52 PM

10. So he's like every other politician, and not the paragon of virtue that his fans make him to be?

I figured as much.


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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:54 PM

12. I almost feel sorry for you...

 

But this just feels so good!

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:58 PM

13. meet you at the Gwinnett democratic meeting every saturday morning

 

and while you are at it call Diana Bernath who is pretty well known around Georgia and ask her if I am antisemitic. I only coached baseball with her husband for 5 years and the horrors is he is Jewish.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:33 PM

22. LOL! Thou doth protest too much. Keep digging.

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:30 PM

19. "almost", lol!


Thanks Bill Clinton, for this latest laugh-line.

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:37 PM

24. I don't feel sorry. I could care less about the vatican but I'm enjoying this.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth reminds me of when the bird landed on his podium.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:46 PM

28. It is something, isn't it?

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:53 PM

32. It's truly bizarre, they've gone off the deep end.


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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:52 PM

11. will that be the purple kool aid for you?

 

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:46 PM

29. This is the second time you have asked yourself about kook aid drinking....

 

Do you know you are posting to yourself? Are you supposed to be switching usernames? Why do you keep asking you about kook aid?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:54 PM

33. Yeah,, what the fuck?

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:58 PM

14. When you say "cheap political stunt", I assume you are

 

referring to your OP. Am I right?

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:00 PM

15. The Vatican wanted experts in income inequality to speak

In our country, the person who has been passionately speaking about income inequality for decades is Bernie. I'm sorry your gal wasn't invited too, I'm sure it stings. Maybe if she had just released the transcripts so that the Vatican could see that she said "cut it out" to Wall Street...

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:04 PM

16. Hardly. This is directly in his wheelhouse, and he and the Pope have common cause.



But you knew all that.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:27 PM

17. You folks are hillarious.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:29 PM

18. Yes. By all means, run with that spin. Tell the people of NY that the Pope was tricked into inviting


Bernie!

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:30 PM

20. I know it must hurt . The sting from this and Hillary's delegates not bothering to show

up in Nevada highlighting the soft support she really has will pass, eventually. Here

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:31 PM

21. How many times do you plan to post about this?

Jesus dude, step down from the ledge. You're being very un-Jerry right now.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:35 PM

23. A Jewish guy going to the Vatican? What's next, the white house???


I love how much this bothers you folks.




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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:43 PM

26. Maybe Hillary could meet with Netanyahu as retaliation?

 

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:44 PM

27. Is this your 2nd thread about this conference invitation?

It really seems to be a problem for Hillary supporters.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:50 PM

30. Caught on Tap: Cheap political stunt by the now world famous crimianl

 

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:56 PM

34. "only doing it for the NY primary."

You know the event has been planned for a long time right?
So, no, he is NOT only doing it for the NY primary.

P.S.--Jerry Garcia would have been an all in Bernie supporter and you know it.
Get a new avatar, or a new candidate.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:56 PM

35. Lectured on political stunts by Clinton supporters

how ironic

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:01 PM

36. Good grief, what the heck is wrong with Bernie going to Rome?

Any information he may glean from this conference will be good for all of us, not just for Catholics. The unbelievable baloney from those making negative political hay from this are really pushing the envelope.

What would Hillary supporters say if she was taking this trip?

I've about had it with the Bernie bashing. I had been open to all points of view but this bashing has made me a firm believer that Senator Sanders is on my side.
I'm too old to keep up with a lot of this but when the sparks start to fly, I pull back and find that I am more in line with Bernie.

I cannot stand the thought of 4 or 8 more years of the same old, same old. I am having trouble forgiving some of the current controversy regarding the e-mails, donations ,speeches, etcetera. Big questions arise!

I miss the old days with real political discourse.

DU is getting to be a big headache for me. I want to follow what is going on but with all the vitriol, I head for the aspirin!

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:01 PM

37. Transparency is transparent....

 

Posts hidden by Jury: 13
Total posts: 503
Percentage of posts hidden: 2.58%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197337&sub=trans

Lots of context in those 13 hides.....

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:20 PM

40. Watch it - you might suddenly be the target of some creepy private messages...

 

I certainly was.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:02 PM

38. silly

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:20 PM

39. So what did you think when Obama went to Berline? nt

 

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Response to wilt the stilt (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 04:21 PM

41. You are obviously jealous

 

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