Obama: Bless her heart, Hillary didn't ~intentionally~ put America in danger, as far as I know *

[Fumesucker]

* A dramatization, not intended to be an accurate quote.

Hillary: "Obama's not a Muslim... As far as I know."

Ah, revenge served only eight years later and frigid as an igloo on Pluto.

[northernsouthern]

1. As far as I know...

That was a snaaaaaaaap!.

v

[Lars39]

2. "Emails she owned" = She owns this hot mess.

[frylock]

3. She's gonna try real REAL hard to be less careless, if you just give her the chance!

[Fumesucker]

4. Pinky swear!

[Beacool]

5. Obama wants Hillary to succeed him.

The rest of the nonsense is just white noise.

Keep trying.......

[Fumesucker]

7. Obama just watched her pull the same shit on Sanders she did on him eight years ago

Which means in human terms that she is not at all contrite for what she did to Obama..

You don't continue with that behavior you are truly sorry for.

[Beacool]

13. Please......

[Fumesucker]

15. Oh, I think she should be forgiven

I've come to feel pity and forgiveness for those who were fooled by Dubya, it's not their fault they are naive, foolish and imprudent. All of us have a purpose in God's plan even if it is only as a bad example.

[Beacool]

17. A lot of blah, blah over a non-issue.

Obama and Hillary get along just fine. Everything else is wishful thinking on her opponents' side.

[Fawke Em]

28. A "non-issue" that violates the law.

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

[DCBob]

88. "gross negligence" are the key words.

There was no gross negligence.

[Fumesucker]

46. Now we need to get to something really important, what is Bernie's Vatican itinerary?

[Warren DeMontague]

78. CUT IT OUT!

[Warren DeMontague]

77. I will defer to the experts on 'blah blah non issues', here.

Now, lets return to our regularly scheduled attempts to find an anti-sanders "gotcha" ---

like, his wife once lied to the man at a mall foot locker outlet, about her foot size ...

the college roommate of the cousin of one of his celebrity supporters said something mean on twitter, or

....SCANDAL! he failed to properly conjugate a verb a letter he wrote to the newspaper complaining about a parking ticket he got in 1975.

[Dragonfli]

58. "All of us have a purpose in God's plan", the plan of her purpose was revealed to her by Doug Coe

Hillary Clinton's religion is the cult named "The Family" And her Pope is Doug Coe, she understands these things quite well

What that cult teaches is very relevant to knowledge of her place in the grand plan that Gawd has written for her. They believe the Rich are Ordained by Gawd to Rule. Among other interesting things based upon revelations revealed to it's founder directly by Gawd himself via visions, and this "newer" testament changes everything! For one, it reaffirms Gawd's strong held belief in abandoning the poor, but there is so much more to this enlightened branch of Christianity.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has been involved with the Family since 1993 when, as first lady, she joined a White House prayer circle for political wives. Clinton has also sought spiritual counseling from the current head of the Family, Doug Coe. Sharlet argues that Clinton's longtime association with the Family has helped her forge working relationships with powerful religious conservatives such as Family member and anti-abortion crusader Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

The Family nurtures the next generation of prayer warriors in suburban dormitories. Sharlet spent nearly a month living at Ivanwald, a dormitory in Virginia where sons of the Family are sent to immerse themselves in Jesus and clean the toilets of congressmen and senators.

The Family also runs a house on C Street in Washington, D.C. The C Street Center has housed a number of federal legislators, including Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. Residents allege that the center is just a cheap place to live, but as an Ivanwald brother, Sharlet saw firsthand that the center is a religious community. As far as the IRS is concerned, the C Street Center is a church.

Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story.

AlterNet writer Lindsay Beyerstein recently sat down with Jeff Sharlet at a Brooklyn coffee shop to discuss the Family.

Lindsay Beyerstein What is the Family?

Jeff Sharlet: It's an international network of evangelical activists in government, military and business. The Family is dedicated to this idea that Christianity has gotten it all wrong for two thousand years by focusing on the poor, the suffering and the weak.

The Family says that instead, what Christians should do is minister to the up-and-out -- as opposed to the down-and-out -- to those that are already powerful. Because if they can win those people for Christ, they win the whole deal. That's what this network is dedicated to. It includes nonprofit organizations, it includes think tanks, it includes various ministries.

Lindsay Beyerstein: Where did they get the idea that they should be ministering to the up-and-out? There doesn't seem to be a lot basis in Christianity for that view.

Jeff Sharlet: Two places. The founder of the Family, Abraham Vereide, would describe it as his "new revelation" that came to him in the middle of the night, very literally: in a vision from God in 1935 in response to the Great Depression and, more particularly, to a series of very successful labor strikes that he saw as challenging God's sovereignty. So, God comes and gives him this new revelation to say, "This is what I really meant"...

More

[geek tragedy]

35. Obama didn't hold it against her.

This is presidential politics, not a gathering for afternoon tea.

[Fumesucker]

40. Clearly you know Obama's heart better than I

I will bow to your superior wisdom.

[geek tragedy]

41. his thumb is starting to press on the scale on her behalf

in the primary.

he also appointed her Secretary of State

[Politicalboi]

47. Two mistakes he'll regret someday soon

If he can forgive or defend her, then let the cards fall where they may. He's playing a losing hand.

[grasswire]

44. it's NOT HIS to decide, NOT HIS to ignore

And certainly NOT HIS to contaminate the adjudication of the matter by commenting.

[IdaBriggs]

23. "I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations." - Obama

I think he's playing Chicago politics with her, and is going to take her and the Clinton Foundation down. She was given rope, and hung herself with it.

Neither of us will know for certain which of us is right until the FBI investigation is complete.

[Beacool]

25. Don't make me laugh.

Do you really think that Obama would prefer Sanders as the nominee??????

Ahhh, this place is a riot.

[IdaBriggs]

29. Yes, I do. I even think he encouraged the only guy with no DNC ties

To run so he can take out the whole corrupt system that has stymied so many of his efforts in the last eight years.

I am a cynical sort. I might be wrong. We will see, won't we?

The third act is about to begin....

[Beacool]

38. That's just one more proof that people on this site live in a parallel world.

No, Sanders is not Obama's choice to succeed him. Please, get real.

[IdaBriggs]

45. Fifty cents she drops out before May 31st --

Either due to the FBI scandal directly, or for "sudden personal reasons".

Loser can Paypal the winner. Are you in?

[CoffeeCat]

62. I always find this intriguing

Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send or store classified information on personal email.

That executive order was issued by President Obama on Dec 29, 2009, after Hillary's private server was up and running.

Unfortunately, there's a lot that we don't know and will never know. What we do know is that Hillary will be interviewed by the head of the FBI in the coming days.

[Fumesucker]

82. What did Obama know and when did he know it?

I can just see him laughing while reading Hillary's emails before she gets them...

[CoffeeCat]

86. Especially the emails between

Hillary and Sid Blumenthal. She has some very detailed and sensitive emails going back and forth with Sid.

Oooops. Sid didn't have a security clearance. It's illegal to pass classified information to someone that lacks a security clearance.

That must be why some of the emails between herself and Blumenthal were not originally turned over to the FBI. I believe that's Obstruction of Justice.

But hey, I'm no lawyer.

(Seriously, this whole thing is so full of wrongdoing, it's beyond the pale).

[CentralCoaster]

6. Basically, "Vote for the Jewish civil rights champion, community organizer"

It's as close to an endorsement as we're gonna see.

Wow, the Pope, then Carter, now Obama.

[Fumesucker]

11. Dare it be said, Trifecta?

[restorefreedom]

8. the president basically admitted she committed a felony

intent is not required.

cant wait to see how they try and spin themselves out of this one.

[Fumesucker]

10. Bless her heart

Anyone who was fooled by Dubya should be able to claim mental impairment.

[restorefreedom]

33. yes! and should never be near the levers of power. nt

[reformist2]

60. Notice how Obama said she was guilty of "carelessness" - which sounds a lot like "negligence".

[restorefreedom]

71. yes, because it is. its the nonlegal way of saying negligence.

sounds like trouble coming her way.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. If you've watched Arrested Development, you'll be aware of the concept of "light treason".

It's not so bad if you didn't mean to get hacked while breaking the law.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Obama is clearly feelin the bern.

[anigbrowl]

14. Don't like the news? Rewrite to say what you wish it said

It's hardly revenge when Obama is saying she did 'an outstanding job.'

[Fumesucker]

18. Heckuva job Brownie

[anigbrowl]

20. Got nothing to say? Drag out an old catchphrase!

Hopefully some people will nod along in recognition and it will be like you made a joke without having had to put in the mental effort of composing one.

If Obama had not been happy with Clinton's work as SoS I rather doubt he'd have left in place for 4 years.

[Fumesucker]

43. It's a catchprase for a reason and has a lot of subtext most of us here understand and appreciate

[anigbrowl]

52. Yes, that's the very point I was making

You're like a comedian making a mother-in-law joke - an easy way to get a little cheap applause when you don't have anything original to say. I'm sure in your mind it's a devastating critique, and now everyone thinks Clinton's tenure as SoS was like a 4-year-long version of Hurricane Katrina.

Obama, though, is more likely to be thinking of the fact that a country like Myanmar is swearing in its first democratically-elected government in 40 years, not least thanks to Secretary Clinton's diplomatic efforts some years back.

[Fumesucker]

67. Never mind the people of Myanmar, it's Clinton who gets the credit

Although she doesn't want to take responsibility for the disasters on her watch...

[anigbrowl]

75. She deserves quite a bit of credit in this case

The people of Myanmar were not in any position to do very much if the military junta didn't allow them to, as evidenced by the way the country has been run for the last several decades. Of course, you hate Clinton so much that you are never going to change your mind but at least you managed to construct an original comment this time instead posting a meme or a catchphrase, so I guess that's progress.

[Major Hogwash]

72. Burma.

Nobody refers to Burma as Myanmar anymore.

[anigbrowl]

74. Other way around

but thanks for playing.

[Major Hogwash]

79. Here you go . . .

Burma continues to be used in English by the governments of many countries, such as Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom. Official United States policy retains Burma as the country's name, although the State Department's website lists the country as "Burma (Myanmar)" and Barack Obama has referred to the country by both names.[

Link --
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar

You're welcome.

[anigbrowl]

81. I've only been interested in that country for 25 years

You clearly know so much more about it than I do after reading a Wikipedia article. Of course, I remember when it was still called Burma by everyone, until the government of the country decided to officially change the name. Perhaps the newly democratically elected government will change it back to Burma again, though this doesn't seem too high a priority at present.

You're welcome yourself.

[tralala]

76. The UN still calls it Myanmar

[IdaBriggs]

30. Good one!

[JackRiddler]

16. Can you direct us to the story you mean, please? Thanks

[JimDandy]

54. I'd like to know too. I'm not on DU all day, so nebulous posts like these are a time-waster

They easily could have put their convo in context with a link.

[Dragonfli]

64. It was in reference to something he said on one of the Sunday talking head shows

I don't own a TV, so I am not sure which one. I don't think there is a link yet to it, so we can forgive the OP a lack of one I think.

I personally can't wait for a clip to appear on youtube, so I can see for myself as no doubt you would like to as well.

[JimDandy]

68. Thanks. I found it... Clinton's private server for public SOS email

[Fumesucker]

70. Sorry, it's getting difficult to distinguish real requests from disingenuous ones these days..

Yeah, if you're away for a while this place can take some catching up with..

[pdsimdars]

19. He didn't say she DIDN'T put America in danger. . . .

Some interesting information. . Her server had LESS protection a certain dating site that got hacked and they released all the information about all the people on it.

And the government servers get about 100,000 hacking attempts each day.

But a REALLY important fact is that when you don't use government servers, they have no marks to tell them when something has been hacked. And if anyone, like some other government, hacked her, they will NOT tell us about the secrets they got. They have gotten some of our secret information and can use it. The government has to ASSUME that she was hacked and have to change everything because they have to ASSUME other governments know how we do things.

[Fawke Em]

39. Not quibbling, but it should be pointed out that, yes, there have been

government servers that have been hacked, but NOT the servers that house national security secrets. Those are INTRANET and not INTERNET. They don't face outward and you can't email in and out of them to reduce the chances they can be hacked.

SIPRNet, the military's secret network, and JWICS, its top secret network, have only the thinnest of connections - if any - to the public Internet (I don't know of any, but never say never). Without those connections, intruders have no way of exploiting the backdoor.

[IdaBriggs]

42. Don't forget, one of her hacker has been extradited here - Guccifer. nt

[grasswire]

48. yeah, where are the people who were screaming about Snowden?

Shouldn't they be screaming about Hillary going on an Asian trip using an UNSECURED, UNOFFICIAL email system overseas? Domain name "clintonemail"??!!

Boggles the mind. Truly.

[snowy owl]

21. It's judgement, huh?

[Fumesucker]

22. I put right there in the text it was just a dramatization

[SFnomad]

24. The more difficult the Sanders "path to victory" becomes ...

the crazier the Sanders cheerleader's threads become.

[Fumesucker]

26. Thanks for kicking my thread

I don't put them up very often and the attention is gratifying.

[SFnomad]

34. Ah .. the "look at me" type n/t

[Fumesucker]

63. Like every politician ever..

Yes, including Bernie but most certainly including Hillary and we can't forget Bill either.

[SFnomad]

65. I was talking about you and belief that thread kicks amounts to anything n/t

[Fumesucker]

66. Thanks again...

It's just my harmless and cheap form of entertainment.

[Beacool]

27. Ain't it so?

They twist themselves into pretzels trying to parse and mischaracterize what people say in an effort to tarnish Hillary. As if Obama would ever prefer Sanders to her. Please......

[SFnomad]

31. If Obama prefered Sanders to Clinton ... why didn't he choose Sanders for SoS? n/t

[Beacool]

36. Obama met with Sanders in private once, back in December.

Hillary and Obama keep in touch and meet for lunch once in a while.

[SFnomad]

37. And that says it all in a nutshell n/t

[Fawke Em]

49. Ever heard of keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer?

[SFnomad]

51. Yeah, somehow I doubt anyone would be so stupid to put an "enemy" in the position of SoS

but then again, maybe you would.

[magical thyme]

56. the Clintons are very powerful within the party

We don't know how much discretion Obama had.

[SFnomad]

57. Geebus ... I'm going to start calling the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party

the Tin Foil Hat brigade.

[magical thyme]

59. it's pretty much true of every Presidency. They don't get their own choices much if not most

of the time. Didn't Kennedy and Johnson hate each other?

[Politicalboi]

53. Because Bernie's wife wasn't an ex president

The name is what got her in. THAT is ALL. It sure wasn't her expertise on Iraq.

[Major Hogwash]

73. There you have it . . . Obama used Hillary to exploit Bubba's reputation around the world.

I'll bet she didn't see that coming!!

[Fumesucker]

83. That has awesome OP written all over it

[IdaBriggs]

32. I regret that I can only give ONE recommendation to this AWESOME thread.

[Yurovsky]

50. China's Cyber Warfare Unit 61398 thanks Sec Clinton...

Many an eager young Chinese cyber warrior earned a medal and a promotion for the treasure trove of classified documents served up on a silver platter by the techno-neophytes on Team Clinton...

[magical thyme]

55. just watched the video. I think he just paved the way to a Presidential pardon

should it become necessary.

I notice he never once addressed the legality of mishandling classified information.

And he only asserted that he he didn't *believe* her mishandling put the US in jeopardy or damaged national security. Not whether she put any individuals in jeopardy (eg discussing Stevens' evacuation plans shortly prior to his evacuation). And of course, if he doesn't have any details than he's really just filling time because he has no idea.

[Fumesucker]

61. "As far as I know"

That's the substance of Obama's comments I think...

[magical thyme]

69. that combined with "she's done an outstanding job" and

"a carelessness...that she's owned" plus "I guarantee no political influence" closing again with the "outstanding job" tells me she's been hung out to dry but don't worry, I'll pardon you if it comes down to it.

[Ken Burch]

80. He's been waiting eight years to use that line. n/t.

[Fumesucker]

84. He who laughs last, laughs longest

[sadoldgirl]

85. Oh dear, I hope that you are right, but I fear

that his love for the TPP is stronger, else he would
not have put down EW as he did.

[senz]

87. Every time she goes dirty on Bernie, I wonder if Obama's getting the déjà vu.

Hope so.