2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe’re Speeding Toward a Climate Change Catastrophe...and That Makes 2016 the Most Important Election
in a GenerationHow the U.S. confronts climate change will shape the world for generations; neither Clinton nor Trump seems to care.
By Phil Torres / Salon April 10, 2016
Consider some recent data that underline the fact that climate change is a clear and present danger. As of this writing, the hottest month on record was last February. It completely obliterated the previous all-time global temperature record set by take a guess January 2016. And January 2016 beat the previous records set by October, November and December 2015. Similarly, the hottest 16 years on record have all occurred since 2000, with only a single exception (1998). The current record-holder is 2015, followed by 2014, 2010 and 2013, but it appears that 2016 could be even hotter than 2015.
This being said, climate change isnt just a present danger with implications for human well-being this century. As a 2016 paper published in Nature points out, the fossil fuels that were burning right now could affect future generations for up to 10,000 years. We are, in other words, imposing adverse changes on more humans than have ever existed. To quote the study, co-authored by more than 20 scientists from around the world, at length: The next few decades offer a brief window of opportunity to minimize large-scale and potentially catastrophic climate change that will extend longer than the entire history of human civilization thus far. Policy decisions made during this window are likely to result in changes to Earths climate system measured in millennia rather than human lifespans, with associated socioeconomic and ecological impacts that will exacerbate the risks and damages to society and ecosystems that are projected for the twenty-first century and propagate into the future for many thousands of years.
Unfortunately, neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump the two leading presidential candidates right now inspire much confidence that climate change will be a priority for their administrations. As the activist Naomi Klein recently bemoaned, while Clinton was secretary of state, she had a huge megaphone to make [climate change] an issue, to show that she understands the connections between human security and climate, [yet] she didnt use the megaphone. Because of this, Klein opines that Bernie Sanders would be a significantly better candidate. Indeed, not only has Sanders made climate change a central theme of his campaign, but he twice characterized it as the biggest national security threat facing the country, a claim that comports with the above-mentioned statements by Brennan, Hagel and the Department of Defense.
Full article: http://www.alternet.org/environment/were-speeding-toward-climate-change-catastropheand-makes-2016-most-important-election
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Dear Clinton supporters - how exactly is she proposing to handle this, has she mentioned anything?
Loudestlib
(980 posts)elleng
(130,967 posts)We may have lost our best opportunity to address this strongly.
Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to get the most golden eggs before the Golden Goose dies. The Clintons have amassed $150,000,000 in a few short years and much more in their retirement plan call the Clinton Foundation. There is no good ending to this. Millions will die but that's just collateral damage for the workings of capitalism. If we want to survive, this is the election we must draw the line and fight the corrupt culture of Big Money in our government that Clinton stands for.
polly7
(20,582 posts)all around the world. Millions are already suffering and dying because of it - they are the invisible 'collateral damage'. Climate change has caused poverty stricken communities to completely relocate d/t rising oceans, drought, horrific monster storms, loss of livelihoods, war .... not many leaders around the world seem to care at all.
I was hoping Clinton supporters could lay out her plans for tackling some of this but d/t her support for fracking around the world and needless wars that decimate, pollute, make useless the land for farming and greatly add to the already disaster, I guess I can understand why they don't want to comment.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)And the red deck chairs against the cabin under the portholes. That way the people in first class will drown first when the ship finishes sinking.
IMHO, it's too late to matter, except in the very short term. Long run, the human race is toast. (That includes Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Independents, whites, blacks, browns, yellows, blues, vegans, women's rights activists, organic farmers, hedge fund managers, the entire membership of PETA, Stephen Hawking, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, The Pope, the Dalai Lama, you, me, your kids, my kids, everybody's kids, grandkids, brothers and sisters. The whole, entire human race, and no, you will not be the sole survivor who gets to watch it all unfold.)
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)the not caring for their descendents - people are too dumb to live.
I have been saying for years - I don't know why I recycle or try to buy as little as possible of material things, when the fracking is more than equal to thousands of mes or the bombings in the constant war is never counted in the equation - too dumb to live.
I think the bugs win.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're too busy fantasizing about Bernies imaginary offshore accounts and whining about his trip to Rome.
polly7
(20,582 posts)not a peep.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)for this reason and not only for USA (although so few USians look beyond... the provincial)...
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I wish there was a begging smilie I could use to communicate the dire situation we're in.
Unfortunately Hillary supporters are still massively consumed with keeping the status quo.
azmom
(5,208 posts)21 year old daughter and her friends. It really angers me when I hear Hillary supporters claim that young people support Bernie because they are naive. They are far from naive, these young people are smart and well informed and are fighting for the future of the planet.
polly7
(20,582 posts)They and their children will be affected most, of course they're upset and concerned. They're very smart and yet so many, including Clinton herself, dismiss them as just kids who need to do their research. They already have.
Umbral18
(105 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)majorities in both houses of Congress, where all legislation is written. That way, our Democratic President would have bills to sign that helped with this looming disaster. I know I'll be doing that in my state.
That's what you meant, right?
polly7
(20,582 posts)I posted an article I agree with 100%. Climate change is THE most important issue facing every single human being on this planet at right this moment. I hope and pray that every leader of every nation on earth finds it the same.
What has Clinton said or done towards addressing it?
(and don't try to twist my words into what you want them seen as ........ you're not that good).
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I guess she has addressed it to some degree. You could take a look at the link.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)People who live in regions prone to droughts, for example.
People who live on small islands.
People who live in coastal regions.
The rich will do just fine, for a time.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I think the rich know their time is coming though ... thus the rush to control the planet in any way they can.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)She JUST DOESN'T GET IT!
Fracking = fossil fuels.
More fossil fuels is putting more oil on the fire.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Yet has no problem pushing for other nations, some of which drew protests by tens of thousands of people not wanting their environment destroyed.
https://vimeo.com/157982054
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017336883
As to the rest of the world:
How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World
A trove of secret documents details the US government's global push for shale gas.
By Mariah Blake | September/October 2014 Issue
Hillary Clinton is welcomed to Sofia by Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Nikolay Mladenov, left. US Department of State/flickr
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/10/how-hillary-clintons-state-department-sold-fracking-to-the-world
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)I posted a similar thread a week or two ago myself!
polly7
(20,582 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)to push for this kind of thing anywhere.
Why not try to advance wind and solar energy around the globe? Mind-boggling.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)whining about Sanders, as usual, and claiming " ... only I have the plans ... blah blah " ... and I was reminded of 2008 when John Mc Cain tried to blackmail the US into electing him by stating that only HE had the plan/information to get bin Laden. The plan which of course nobody ever actually heard.
She never does say 'what' those plans are, or 'how' she's going to enact them (or when, for that matter), only that she has the plans.
In IT Project Management world, that's a dead giveaway that someone hasn't done their homework and is trying to bullshit their way through a meeting.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)actually interfered with the peace talks.
Ir maybe it was Reagan with the Hostages