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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:35 PM Apr 2016

We’re Speeding Toward a Climate Change Catastrophe...and That Makes 2016 the Most Important Election

in a Generation

How the U.S. confronts climate change will shape the world for generations; neither Clinton nor Trump seems to care.

By Phil Torres / Salon April 10, 2016

And multiple high-ranking U.S. officials have affirmed a causal connection between climate change and terrorism. For example, John Brennan, the current Director of the CIA, recently stated that “the impact of climate change” is one of the “deeper causes of this rising instability” in countries like Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Yemen and Libya. Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the former secretary of defense, describes climate change as a “threat multiplier” that “has the potential to exacerbate many of the challenges we are dealing with today — from infectious disease to terrorism.” And the Department of Defense notes in a 2015 report that “Global climate change will aggravate problems such as poverty, social tensions, environmental degradation, ineffectual leadership and weak political institutions that threaten stability in a number of countries.”

Consider some recent data that underline the fact that climate change is a “clear and present danger.” As of this writing, the hottest month on record was last February. It completely “obliterated” the previous “all-time global temperature record” set by — take a guess — January 2016. And January 2016 beat the previous records set by October, November and December 2015. Similarly, the hottest 16 years on record have all occurred since 2000, with only a single exception (1998). The current record-holder is 2015, followed by 2014, 2010 and 2013, but it appears that 2016 could be even hotter than 2015.

This being said, climate change isn’t just a “present” danger with implications for human well-being this century. As a 2016 paper published in Nature points out, the fossil fuels that we’re burning right now could affect future generations for up to 10,000 years. We are, in other words, “imposing adverse changes on more humans than have ever existed.” To quote the study, co-authored by more than 20 scientists from around the world, at length: “The next few decades offer a brief window of opportunity to minimize large-scale and potentially catastrophic climate change that will extend longer than the entire history of human civilization thus far. Policy decisions made during this window are likely to result in changes to Earth’s climate system measured in millennia rather than human lifespans, with associated socioeconomic and ecological impacts that will exacerbate the risks and damages to society and ecosystems that are projected for the twenty-first century and propagate into the future for many thousands of years.”


If studies like this are to be believed — and they ought to be, given that they’re published in peer-reviewed journals and based on objective, checkable evidence — then it follows quite directly that the 2016 presidential election really could be the most important in a generation. Indeed, one could plausibly argue that this election will be the most important political event in the entire history of human civilization, given the U.S.’s standing as the leading superpower and the second biggest polluter in the world (by a long shot). How the U.S. handles the global, transgenerational problem of climate change will not only have a significant impact on what the world looks like by 2100, but it will shape the world for hundreds of human generations. It is, therefore, absolutely crucial that the next POTUS recognizes the multi-millennial scope of climate change and responds to this “severe” and “pervasive” threat with true wisdom and foresight.

Unfortunately, neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump — the two leading presidential candidates right now — inspire much confidence that climate change will be a priority for their administrations. As the activist Naomi Klein recently bemoaned, while Clinton was secretary of state, “she had a huge megaphone to make [climate change] an issue, to show that she understands the connections between human security and climate, [yet] she didn’t use the megaphone.” Because of this, Klein opines that Bernie Sanders would be “a significantly better candidate.” Indeed, not only has Sanders made climate change a central theme of his campaign, but he twice characterized it as the biggest national security threat facing the country, a claim that comports with the above-mentioned statements by Brennan, Hagel and the Department of Defense.


..........These problems require exceptional wisdom and careful attention to the facts (as best we know them) to solve, yet the leading presidential candidates of the world’s superpower don’t appear to be aware of just how globally catastrophic climate change could be. This is a bad situation in which to find ourselves. It’s also a bad situation for potentially billions upon billions of future humans who could come to inhabit our planetary spaceship many thousands of years from now. Let’s hope future generations look back on this unique moment in human history with sighs of relief, rather than groans of resentment.


Full article: http://www.alternet.org/environment/were-speeding-toward-climate-change-catastropheand-makes-2016-most-important-election

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Dear Clinton supporters - how exactly is she proposing to handle this, has she mentioned anything?
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We’re Speeding Toward a Climate Change Catastrophe...and That Makes 2016 the Most Important Election (Original Post) polly7 Apr 2016 OP
More fracking? Loudestlib Apr 2016 #1
Right. elleng Apr 2016 #2
H.Clinton-Sachs is tied to the capitalism end game, otherwise known as the fight of the Fat Cats rhett o rick Apr 2016 #3
Yes, those fat cats are hurriedly trying to scoop up every last bit of profit-making resources polly7 Apr 2016 #8
Her loyal followers have no plans. They just blindly follow. It's authoritarian adulation. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #13
I think the blue deck chairs should be closest to the rail. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #4
I have toadmit the amazing stupidity of the leaders of the human race, the selfishness of it all hollysmom Apr 2016 #27
Not a Clinton supporter in sight, what a shock. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #5
I know .......... polly7 Apr 2016 #14
Thanks. Most Important Election in many generations, Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #6
We have no time left for a Triangulator-in-Chief. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #7
Yes this. 100 times this. Fracking is disastrous. Incrementalism is just as bad riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #9
This is the number one issue for my azmom Apr 2016 #10
Yes, and I feel so bad for them. polly7 Apr 2016 #11
That ship has sailed, educate your children for survival. nt Umbral18 Apr 2016 #12
True. We should be working our butts off to elect MineralMan Apr 2016 #15
No, is that what you mean?? polly7 Apr 2016 #16
Well, here's her page on climate change: MineralMan Apr 2016 #17
except in the short term it will hurt some human beings MUCH more than others TheDormouse Apr 2016 #19
You're right, it already is devastating many, many lives. polly7 Apr 2016 #21
Hillary says fracking can be done in an environmentally conscious way TheDormouse Apr 2016 #18
She's 100%, completely wrong. polly7 Apr 2016 #22
totally agree TheDormouse Apr 2016 #23
........ polly7 Apr 2016 #26
HIllary lobbied for 2 giant COAL plants in South Africa--hurts S. Africans & the planet amborin Apr 2016 #20
I don't understand why it's her or any other foreign politician's business polly7 Apr 2016 #24
I saw a news snip of her last night ... Myrina Apr 2016 #25
naw, the best was Nixon claiming to have a peace plan for Vietnam when he hollysmom Apr 2016 #28
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. H.Clinton-Sachs is tied to the capitalism end game, otherwise known as the fight of the Fat Cats
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

to get the most golden eggs before the Golden Goose dies. The Clintons have amassed $150,000,000 in a few short years and much more in their retirement plan call the Clinton Foundation. There is no good ending to this. Millions will die but that's just collateral damage for the workings of capitalism. If we want to survive, this is the election we must draw the line and fight the corrupt culture of Big Money in our government that Clinton stands for.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
8. Yes, those fat cats are hurriedly trying to scoop up every last bit of profit-making resources
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

all around the world. Millions are already suffering and dying because of it - they are the invisible 'collateral damage'. Climate change has caused poverty stricken communities to completely relocate d/t rising oceans, drought, horrific monster storms, loss of livelihoods, war .... not many leaders around the world seem to care at all.

I was hoping Clinton supporters could lay out her plans for tackling some of this but d/t her support for fracking around the world and needless wars that decimate, pollute, make useless the land for farming and greatly add to the already disaster, I guess I can understand why they don't want to comment.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
4. I think the blue deck chairs should be closest to the rail.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

And the red deck chairs against the cabin under the portholes. That way the people in first class will drown first when the ship finishes sinking.



IMHO, it's too late to matter, except in the very short term. Long run, the human race is toast. (That includes Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Independents, whites, blacks, browns, yellows, blues, vegans, women's rights activists, organic farmers, hedge fund managers, the entire membership of PETA, Stephen Hawking, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, The Pope, the Dalai Lama, you, me, your kids, my kids, everybody's kids, grandkids, brothers and sisters. The whole, entire human race, and no, you will not be the sole survivor who gets to watch it all unfold.)

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
27. I have toadmit the amazing stupidity of the leaders of the human race, the selfishness of it all
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

the not caring for their descendents - people are too dumb to live.
I have been saying for years - I don't know why I recycle or try to buy as little as possible of material things, when the fracking is more than equal to thousands of mes or the bombings in the constant war is never counted in the equation - too dumb to live.

I think the bugs win.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Not a Clinton supporter in sight, what a shock.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

They're too busy fantasizing about Bernies imaginary offshore accounts and whining about his trip to Rome.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
6. Thanks. Most Important Election in many generations,
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

for this reason and not only for USA (although so few USians look beyond... the provincial)...

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. Yes this. 100 times this. Fracking is disastrous. Incrementalism is just as bad
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

I wish there was a begging smilie I could use to communicate the dire situation we're in.

Unfortunately Hillary supporters are still massively consumed with keeping the status quo.



azmom

(5,208 posts)
10. This is the number one issue for my
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

21 year old daughter and her friends. It really angers me when I hear Hillary supporters claim that young people support Bernie because they are naive. They are far from naive, these young people are smart and well informed and are fighting for the future of the planet.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
11. Yes, and I feel so bad for them.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

They and their children will be affected most, of course they're upset and concerned. They're very smart and yet so many, including Clinton herself, dismiss them as just kids who need to do their research. They already have.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. True. We should be working our butts off to elect
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

majorities in both houses of Congress, where all legislation is written. That way, our Democratic President would have bills to sign that helped with this looming disaster. I know I'll be doing that in my state.

That's what you meant, right?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
16. No, is that what you mean??
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

I posted an article I agree with 100%. Climate change is THE most important issue facing every single human being on this planet at right this moment. I hope and pray that every leader of every nation on earth finds it the same.

What has Clinton said or done towards addressing it?

(and don't try to twist my words into what you want them seen as ........ you're not that good).

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
19. except in the short term it will hurt some human beings MUCH more than others
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

People who live in regions prone to droughts, for example.
People who live on small islands.
People who live in coastal regions.

The rich will do just fine, for a time.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
21. You're right, it already is devastating many, many lives.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

I think the rich know their time is coming though ... thus the rush to control the planet in any way they can.

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
18. Hillary says fracking can be done in an environmentally conscious way
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

She JUST DOESN'T GET IT!

Fracking = fossil fuels.
More fossil fuels is putting more oil on the fire.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
22. She's 100%, completely wrong.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

Yet has no problem pushing for other nations, some of which drew protests by tens of thousands of people not wanting their environment destroyed.

https://vimeo.com/157982054

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017336883

As to the rest of the world:

How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World

A trove of secret documents details the US government's global push for shale gas.

—By Mariah Blake | September/October 2014 Issue

ONE ICY MORNING in February 2012, Hillary Clinton's plane touched down in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, which was just digging out from a fierce blizzard. Wrapped in a thick coat, the secretary of state descended the stairs to the snow-covered tarmac, where she and her aides piled into a motorcade bound for the presidential palace. That afternoon, they huddled with Bulgarian leaders, including Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, discussing everything from Syria's bloody civil war to their joint search for loose nukes. But the focus of the talks was fracking. The previous year, Bulgaria had signed a five-year, $68 million deal, granting US oil giant Chevron millions of acres in shale gas concessions. Bulgarians were outraged. Shortly before Clinton arrived, tens of thousands of protesters poured into the streets carrying placards that read "Stop fracking with our water" and "Chevron go home." Bulgaria's parliament responded by voting overwhelmingly for a fracking moratorium.


Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans. The State Depart­ment's lobbying effort culminated in late May 2012, when Morningstar held a series of meetings on fracking with top Bulgarian and Romanian officials. He also touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a fivefold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium.



Hillary Clinton is welcomed to Sofia by Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Nikolay Mladenov, left. US Department of State/flickr

Goldwyn had a long history of promoting drilling overseas—both as a Department of Energy official under Bill Clinton and as a representative of the oil industry. From 2005 to 2009 he directed the US-Libya Business Association, an organization funded primarily by US oil companies—including Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and Marathon—clamoring to tap Libya's abundant supply. Goldwyn lobbied Congress for pro-Libyan policies and even battled legislation that would have allowed families of the Lockerbie bombing victims to sue the Libyan government for its alleged role in the attack.


But environmental groups were barely consulted, while industry played a crucial role. When Goldwyn unveiled the initiative in April 2010, it was at a meeting of the United States Energy Association, a trade organization representing Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and ConocoPhillips, all of which were pursuing fracking overseas. Among their top targets was Poland, which preliminary studies suggested had abundant shale gas. The day after Goldwyn's announcement, the US Embassy in Warsaw helped organize a shale gas conference, underwritten by these same companies (plus the oil field services company Halliburton) and attended by officials from the departments of State and Energy.


http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/10/how-hillary-clintons-state-department-sold-fracking-to-the-world

polly7

(20,582 posts)
24. I don't understand why it's her or any other foreign politician's business
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

to push for this kind of thing anywhere.

Why not try to advance wind and solar energy around the globe? Mind-boggling.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
25. I saw a news snip of her last night ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

whining about Sanders, as usual, and claiming " ... only I have the plans ... blah blah " ... and I was reminded of 2008 when John Mc Cain tried to blackmail the US into electing him by stating that only HE had the plan/information to get bin Laden. The plan which of course nobody ever actually heard.

She never does say 'what' those plans are, or 'how' she's going to enact them (or when, for that matter), only that she has the plans.

In IT Project Management world, that's a dead giveaway that someone hasn't done their homework and is trying to bullshit their way through a meeting.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
28. naw, the best was Nixon claiming to have a peace plan for Vietnam when he
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:06 PM
Apr 2016

actually interfered with the peace talks.

Ir maybe it was Reagan with the Hostages

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