Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
24 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Even if Hillary wins New York, How many delegates do you expect 20? (Original Post) Csainvestor Apr 2016 OP
It doesn't really matter, Bernie has to score a big victory itsrobert Apr 2016 #1
That's where we disagree Csainvestor Apr 2016 #2
Not if he wants to start catching up. OhZone Apr 2016 #4
It's not about opinions, it's about math. grossproffit Apr 2016 #8
How do you disagree with numbers? Bleacher Creature Apr 2016 #10
No snark here but HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #15
Keep it close for what? NY is one of the few chances for him to make up ground Zynx Apr 2016 #12
You misunderstand; the Sanders folks have given up on "winning" the pledged delegates... brooklynite Apr 2016 #18
Let's just put the goalposts on wheels nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #19
She's already won. NY will be a bonus. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #3
Pretty much. n/t OhZone Apr 2016 #6
My thinking is if it is 55-45 sasmath Apr 2016 #5
Which ends the nomination battle Zynx Apr 2016 #14
If she only gets 55% she is losing much sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #7
I'm A Bernie Supporter, But Don't Know How The Divide Delegated, But ChiciB1 Apr 2016 #9
Then you're conceding the nomination. Zynx Apr 2016 #13
FWIW, I Can't Read Minds So I Generally Don't Makes Decisions ChiciB1 Apr 2016 #17
She doesn't have to pick up anything. 2/3s of the country has already voted. Zynx Apr 2016 #11
If it is an absolute tie, Sanders has lost his last best hope for the nomintion. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #16
The basic problem comes down to this: he got blownout in TX and FL Zynx Apr 2016 #20
I can't see a Sanders win. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #21
Want to work out the mechanics of that? Zynx Apr 2016 #22
Sorry. I am working on my phone and my fingers do not work Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #24
30-40 delegates. And it takes a big chunk of runway geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23
 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
15. No snark here but
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

Because she's ahead, her delegates get her closer to the finish line. So it's not so much about what she nets overs Sanders, but rather how much closer it gets her to the finish line.

His delegates need to close the gap so for him the emphasis is not how many delegates but rather how many more than Clinton.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
12. Keep it close for what? NY is one of the few chances for him to make up ground
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

There's only one third of the country left. Even if he wins CA by 10, he nets only 40ish delegates. He needs wins coming up to close the gap.

brooklynite

(94,596 posts)
18. You misunderstand; the Sanders folks have given up on "winning" the pledged delegates...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:37 PM
Apr 2016

Their thinking is now: if we can keep Clinton from winning outright; we can go to the Convention and convince the SDs to support us on electability.

Hey, it's working for Ted Cruz.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
7. If she only gets 55% she is losing much
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

more in her so called "home state" than Bernie
did in his.

Delegate numbers are a different story.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
9. I'm A Bernie Supporter, But Don't Know How The Divide Delegated, But
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

even I don't think Bernie will take NY. Close Primaries are really a bitch. Bernie's name was hardly on the radar when the time closed to change party affiliation and too many young people probably weren't aware of the process. I know down here in Florida we had to make a big effort to re-register or register people. And so many had already voted by absentee by the time we had the Primary.

We've had closed Primaries down here for a really, really long time and STILL it's not something a run of the mill voter is aware of. I know I've complained about closed Primaries for YEARS, but it is what it is. Most people don't like them, but we've never even able to get it changed.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
13. Then you're conceding the nomination.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

He can't possibly close the gap without a big win in NY.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
17. FWIW, I Can't Read Minds So I Generally Don't Makes Decisions
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

about what anyone thinks. Carry on.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
11. She doesn't have to pick up anything. 2/3s of the country has already voted.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

She's way ahead and just needs to hold roughly where she is.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
16. If it is an absolute tie, Sanders has lost his last best hope for the nomintion.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

If Sanders wins by less than 57%, he has lost his last best hope for the nomination.

And as to the rest of the States, I bet you can see where I'm going with this.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
20. The basic problem comes down to this: he got blownout in TX and FL
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

When two of the three most populous states only give you 33% of the vote, that's a problem. NY is the fourth biggest and at best he won't net any delegates out of it. At worst, he'll fall another 20-30 behind. I don't think he'll do any worse than that, but still.

The slew of NE states the week after next looks no better for him. Probably about a wash between them and possibly a small Hillary pick-up. Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia will probably be a small net pick-up for Sanders, but I'm not certain of that. Then there's the Dakotas, which really don't matter, same goes for Montana. Puerto Rico will probably be big for Hillary. NJ will be good for Hillary as well. OR will be a good Bernie state and I see CA being close to a tie, probably leaning Hillary. If you can tell me how this produces a Bernie win, be my guest.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Even if Hillary wins New ...