2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie's allies sweat Vatican trip
The problem isnt the optics of appearing at an academic-feeling event with two leftist South American presidents whove clashed with the United States. Its not the potential appearance of politicizing the Vatican an accusation he faced as soon as the trip was announced last week.
Instead, its the Vermont senators departure from New York in the final days before an election thats pivotal to his bid for the Democratic nomination. Trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in the polls and in need of a competitive performance in the delegate-packed state, Sanders decision to jet to Rome has heightened the anxiety level of supporters who dont think he has the luxury of stepping out of the primary crucible.
When he becomes president, he can meet with the Pope constantly. But Id rather him become president [first] so he can have more than a theoretical conversation," said New York state Senator James Sanders Jr. of Queens, a Bernie Sanders (no relation) backer who said the candidate stands to make serious headway among African-American voters a key part of Clintons New York base if he can spend time with them, telling his story, in the closing days of the race. I wish that the trip to the Vatican were at a different time. [But] when the Pope calls, what are you gonna do? This is one of the most progressive popes ever.
A lot more at: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-vatican-221865#ixzz45fOwClwG
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)It's nothing to worry about.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)There's a lot of that around here. A defining characteristic for some in fact.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)This is desperation worse than anything from 2008.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)It doesn't make sense unless he is giving up right now.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm not even sure you do support Hillary to be honest. Most supporters post positive things about their candidate.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I condemn their actions to the fullest degree.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I have asked you multiple of times, but you always dodge the question.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Send it to Skinner so they can be purged!!
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I supported Hillary in 2008. It was tough when I realized that she lost. I harbored thoughts of John McCain winning to show the world that Barack Obama was the wrong candidate to be the standard bearer of the Democratic Party. Then I woke up and supported Obama 100%.
So, I understand what you are going through. It's tough to see your candidate losing when you believe they are the best for the country. So, take your time. Fight for your candidate as best as you can. Cherish these moments.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I never supported Hillary and so I never had to smear a good man because I couldn't defend her.
That would be difficult for anyone with a conscience, others don't seem to have a problem with it at all.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I like Bernie, but I don't respect him. If he really wanted to win the nomination, he should have gone after Hillary's emails. He was scared to play dirty. It shows me that he will be creamed by the Republicans.
Hillary Clinton is a fighter. She's willing to play dirty and go at in the mud. She's going to destroy the Republicans. I can't wait to see the deluge of negative ads against Donald Trump. It's going to be glorious.
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ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Yeah, who wouldn't trust her judgement?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)It seems like you like to get a little dirty, too. I respect that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And I don't post dozens of ops just to smear my candidate's opponent.
Loki
(3,825 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)The repertoire is growing stale. Might want to try something completely different. Would you care for a wafer thin mint?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Let me know when you're ready to contribute something to the conversation, I've grown weary of projection.
Loki
(3,825 posts)You've discovered my secret. I'm a slacker!!!! and another LOL just for old times sake.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)fighting-irish
(75 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And being too ethical to play dirty is hardly the same thing as being "scared", it's the exact opposite - taking the high road and expecting people to respect that requires an enormous amount of courage.
Although I'm not surprised you don't realize that since we apparently have VERY different ideas about what kinds of qualities are worthy of praise and deserve to be rewarded.
Try to alert on that.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's hard for a candidate be able to tell the truth when that candidate doesn't know how to talk to her constituents. This explains why I never voted for Hillary last time and certainly will not this time.
There is nothing that she's said that is believable.
Silly rabbit! They can't alert on the truth, though they can try to get you hidden!
Nice try denizens of the thread... Nice try!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We've all seen the screenshots where they prodded cali into a fifth hide and celebrated.
Watch your backs, Bernistas, alert stalkers be trolling!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Oh, wait, that's me. I'm working in the morning. Yikes!
Hey, I was on the 4/3 jury that didn't think that remark was worth a hide. You obvious make some people go pee-pee before they had a chance to get to the potty here.
Okay, Good Night, and watch your own back there, sweetie.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)It's also a lie. Hillary won't destroy the Republicans she does every thing she can to get along with them. And then she throws out liberal sounding words to make liberals think she is on our side. It doesn't work for a lot of us, but it seems she is good at bamboozling a good percentage of Democrats. Congratulations I guess.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)After his trip to the Vatican, he's taken a 2 week cruise -- nt.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)This is a good thing for Bernie to do, and i for one am tired of the faux concern. If Hillary were doing this it would be called "statesmanship" and the Vatican recognizing her leadership, and who knows what else? It is nothing but an honor for Bernie to do this, and people need to stop saying anything otherwise.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Clinton spends going to fundraisers in Florida, Virginia and California. Hes taking New York very seriously."
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...and then take off for more out-of-state fundraisers all weekend. Not a single NY event planned this week.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Tomorrow nite he has his huge event at Washington Square which includes speakers, musicians.
Not sure where his rallies will be, but you can be certain he will be out and about.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Lots of boots on the ground and in the internet to keep things moving.
He can use the flight time to rest up after the debate, and the flight back to get other work done.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's those darned catholics, now!
revbones
(3,660 posts)You think Hillary paraded those shooting victim mom's out on stage just cause she's a fellow mother?
senz
(11,945 posts)So glad Bernie doesn't need to live in that world.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Boy, you guys really ARE miffed that Da Hill didn't get an invite.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)to speak for 10 minutes before everyone goes for a coffee break.
Your man got the equivalent of the table next to the kitchen door here.
fighting-irish
(75 posts)Bernie can still fly to Vatican and back and still raise more than Clinton can raise in the Clooney event. I do pledge a dollar per hour he's out of the country until he returns. I encourage my Bernie supporters to do the same.
Plenty of Bernie events this weekend - we're doing a BernieBQ!
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)in a frenzy, but the people here responding, show just
the opposite. I trust Bernie to know what he is doing and
wish him well for his trip. It seems to me most of his supporters
feel the same way.
So why all of a sudden the concern from the HRC supporters?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)All those other nasties they wanted to bring up to try to make Bernie look like a loser.
Sometimes you don't even need to read the article to know what it's going to say. The title alone is enough.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)their ass handed to them in NY.
Loki
(3,825 posts)They've got that one down pat. Don't bother to find out about your states voting rules, and with all the republican states that have made it their main cause to pass draconian voter id laws to keep people from voting, you would think that they would have been paying attention and have prepared for just those circumstances.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ecstatic
(32,710 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It will give him an opportunity to network and form alliances with like-minded people of varying backgrounds. This is a positive development for Bernie and the movement he is spearheading.
As one of his supporters, I am happy he was given this opportunity. It's also gratifying to see that his talent and life work are being recognized.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Move on already.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Fly by night
(5,265 posts)... than he has received for anything else, I betcha.