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ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:44 PM Apr 2016

Bernie's allies sweat Vatican trip

It’s just a quick jump across the Atlantic, a two-day turnaround. But Bernie Sanders' decision to leave the campaign trail late Thursday and head to a Vatican City conference later this week still has some allies scratching their heads and wondering if it’s the best use of the underdog’s limited time.

The problem isn’t the optics of appearing at an academic-feeling event with two leftist South American presidents who’ve clashed with the United States. It’s not the potential appearance of politicizing the Vatican — an accusation he faced as soon as the trip was announced last week.

Instead, it’s the Vermont senator’s departure from New York in the final days before an election that’s pivotal to his bid for the Democratic nomination. Trailing Hillary Clinton by double digits in the polls and in need of a competitive performance in the delegate-packed state, Sanders’ decision to jet to Rome has heightened the anxiety level of supporters who don’t think he has the luxury of stepping out of the primary crucible.

“When he becomes president, he can meet with the Pope constantly. But I’d rather him become president [first] so he can have more than a theoretical conversation," said New York state Senator James Sanders Jr. of Queens, a Bernie Sanders (no relation) backer who said the candidate stands to make serious headway among African-American voters — a key part of Clinton’s New York base — if he can spend time with them, telling his story, in the closing days of the race. “I wish that the trip to the Vatican were at a different time. [But] when the Pope calls, what are you gonna do? This is one of the most progressive popes ever.”


A lot more at: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-vatican-221865#ixzz45fOwClwG
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Bernie's allies sweat Vatican trip (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 OP
His internal polling tells him that he has NY in the bag. So why not take a trip and relax? Jitter65 Apr 2016 #1
You really believe that? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #8
Either yes, or wishes are horses...? Hortensis Apr 2016 #68
And they repeat the lie that the invitation came from the Pope. Shameless. IamMab Apr 2016 #2
James Sanders, no relation. nt Qutzupalotl Apr 2016 #57
... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #3
I'm wondering why he isn't taking a vacation after he loses the nomination. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #9
Yes, that's it, let it flow... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #10
Do you think I am too overprotective of Secretary Clinton? nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #11
I've never seen you protect her, only smear Bernie. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #12
There are many ways to help your candidate. I'm sure you know what I am talking about. nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #13
Oh yes I do, and swift boating the other guy is tried and true, amirite? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #15
What the swift boaters did to then Senator Kerry was deplorable and a travesty. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #18
That's nice. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #19
I'm not the one who is refusing to pledge their support to the Democratic nominee. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #21
Who's refusing to take the purity pledge? MAKE A LIST!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #22
I was in your shoes once. I know how you are feeling. It was hard for me in 2008, too. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #23
Trust me, ptbl, I've never been in your shoes. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #24
Bernie Sanders is a good man. This is why he will make a horrible President. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #26
Without Lyndon B. Johnson strong arm tactics, we wouldn't have passed the CRA and VRA. nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #30
Hillary is no LBJ, but she does have experience when it comes to civil rights and war: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #32
And you said you don't like to play in the mud... ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #33
I stick to facts, I don't post hit pieces based on speculation and innuendo. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #34
LOLOLOLOL Loki Apr 2016 #40
My how witty and articulate! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #41
LOL ^^^^^^ Loki Apr 2016 #43
Another LOL but no laughing smilie this time? You're slacking. And speaking of "growing stale": beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #44
Yes!!!!! Loki Apr 2016 #45
Okay, that's more like it, a clapping emoticon! Very good! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #46
Admit it. You don't respect him because he's in the way. n effing t fighting-irish Apr 2016 #27
I don't want a dirty fighter, a liar and a cheat as president. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #37
Yep... I don't want a dirty fighter, a liar and someone who doesn't know how to talk ... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #47
Thanks, they're trying to get me flagged, I expect more will be along shortly. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #49
That's what people do when they should be sleeping.. MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #50
Goodnight MMM! Sleep well! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #51
And when she's done with the Republicans, will she destroy the country too? bjo59 Apr 2016 #38
You do realize that what you have said here is a very horrible thing. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #54
God you are good. Puglover Apr 2016 #64
Hillary supporters? JudyM Apr 2016 #16
Right? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #20
He is kennetha Apr 2016 #55
Hillary takes time off for fundraisers. Punkingal Apr 2016 #4
Yup - "He will probably spend less time away from New York this week than Hillary jmg257 Apr 2016 #7
She hasn't been in NY since Sunday, will stop in for the debate... Barack_America Apr 2016 #17
You forgot the sarcasm smiley. He did 3 rallies in NY today. jillan Apr 2016 #31
i'm not worried, and he deserves this trip. Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #5
“Some things are just not about politics” jmg257 Apr 2016 #6
This one is. Iliyah Apr 2016 #14
Bullshit. Punkingal Apr 2016 #28
This trip is all about trying to sway the Catholic vote Tarc Apr 2016 #39
So.... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #48
Even if it was, so what? revbones Apr 2016 #53
Hill camp approach. Everything is calculated, insincere, a hustle. senz Apr 2016 #61
Seeing how that is what he is doing with this trip.... Tarc Apr 2016 #63
Seeing how that is what he is doing with this trip.... AlbertCat Apr 2016 #65
Yes, we're so sad we didn't get to fly thousands of miles Tarc Apr 2016 #66
What really gets your goat is that.... fighting-irish Apr 2016 #29
Fascinating, Politico claims that his supporters are sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #35
Because it was a way for Politico to slip in passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #56
It will give his campaign another lame ass excuse when they get giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #36
Just another conspiracy theory why their voter's didn't get to cast their ballots. Loki Apr 2016 #42
No worries. I'll just keep hydrated. jberryhill Apr 2016 #52
Erratic. nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #58
Bernie is starting a compassionate political revolution. The trip will further it. senz Apr 2016 #59
Nobody but right-wing Clintonites thinks this was ever an issue. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #60
I imagine the 2.5m+ Catholics in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York may be an influence. Kentonio Apr 2016 #62
He will get more press from this trip ... Fly by night Apr 2016 #67
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
1. His internal polling tells him that he has NY in the bag. So why not take a trip and relax?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

It's nothing to worry about.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. Either yes, or wishes are horses...?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

There's a lot of that around here. A defining characteristic for some in fact.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
2. And they repeat the lie that the invitation came from the Pope. Shameless.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

This is desperation worse than anything from 2008.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
9. I'm wondering why he isn't taking a vacation after he loses the nomination.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

It doesn't make sense unless he is giving up right now.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. I've never seen you protect her, only smear Bernie.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not even sure you do support Hillary to be honest. Most supporters post positive things about their candidate.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
18. What the swift boaters did to then Senator Kerry was deplorable and a travesty.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

I condemn their actions to the fullest degree.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
21. I'm not the one who is refusing to pledge their support to the Democratic nominee.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

I have asked you multiple of times, but you always dodge the question.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
23. I was in your shoes once. I know how you are feeling. It was hard for me in 2008, too.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

I supported Hillary in 2008. It was tough when I realized that she lost. I harbored thoughts of John McCain winning to show the world that Barack Obama was the wrong candidate to be the standard bearer of the Democratic Party. Then I woke up and supported Obama 100%.

So, I understand what you are going through. It's tough to see your candidate losing when you believe they are the best for the country. So, take your time. Fight for your candidate as best as you can. Cherish these moments.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. Trust me, ptbl, I've never been in your shoes.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

I never supported Hillary and so I never had to smear a good man because I couldn't defend her.

That would be difficult for anyone with a conscience, others don't seem to have a problem with it at all.


ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
25. Bernie Sanders is a good man. This is why he will make a horrible President.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

I like Bernie, but I don't respect him. If he really wanted to win the nomination, he should have gone after Hillary's emails. He was scared to play dirty. It shows me that he will be creamed by the Republicans.

Hillary Clinton is a fighter. She's willing to play dirty and go at in the mud. She's going to destroy the Republicans. I can't wait to see the deluge of negative ads against Donald Trump. It's going to be glorious.

Response to ProudToBeLiberal (Reply #25)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. Hillary is no LBJ, but she does have experience when it comes to civil rights and war:
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016




Yeah, who wouldn't trust her judgement?

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
33. And you said you don't like to play in the mud...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

It seems like you like to get a little dirty, too. I respect that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. I stick to facts, I don't post hit pieces based on speculation and innuendo.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

And I don't post dozens of ops just to smear my candidate's opponent.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
43. LOL ^^^^^^
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:10 AM
Apr 2016

The repertoire is growing stale. Might want to try something completely different. Would you care for a wafer thin mint?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. Another LOL but no laughing smilie this time? You're slacking. And speaking of "growing stale":
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016


Let me know when you're ready to contribute something to the conversation, I've grown weary of projection.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
37. I don't want a dirty fighter, a liar and a cheat as president.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

And being too ethical to play dirty is hardly the same thing as being "scared", it's the exact opposite - taking the high road and expecting people to respect that requires an enormous amount of courage.

Although I'm not surprised you don't realize that since we apparently have VERY different ideas about what kinds of qualities are worthy of praise and deserve to be rewarded.



Try to alert on that.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
47. Yep... I don't want a dirty fighter, a liar and someone who doesn't know how to talk ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

It's hard for a candidate be able to tell the truth when that candidate doesn't know how to talk to her constituents. This explains why I never voted for Hillary last time and certainly will not this time.

There is nothing that she's said that is believable.

Silly rabbit! They can't alert on the truth, though they can try to get you hidden!

Nice try denizens of the thread... Nice try!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
49. Thanks, they're trying to get me flagged, I expect more will be along shortly.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:37 AM
Apr 2016

We've all seen the screenshots where they prodded cali into a fifth hide and celebrated.

Watch your backs, Bernistas, alert stalkers be trolling!


MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
50. That's what people do when they should be sleeping..
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

... Oh, wait, that's me. I'm working in the morning. Yikes!

Hey, I was on the 4/3 jury that didn't think that remark was worth a hide. You obvious make some people go pee-pee before they had a chance to get to the potty here.

Okay, Good Night, and watch your own back there, sweetie.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
54. You do realize that what you have said here is a very horrible thing.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

It's also a lie. Hillary won't destroy the Republicans she does every thing she can to get along with them. And then she throws out liberal sounding words to make liberals think she is on our side. It doesn't work for a lot of us, but it seems she is good at bamboozling a good percentage of Democrats. Congratulations I guess.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
4. Hillary takes time off for fundraisers.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

This is a good thing for Bernie to do, and i for one am tired of the faux concern. If Hillary were doing this it would be called "statesmanship" and the Vatican recognizing her leadership, and who knows what else? It is nothing but an honor for Bernie to do this, and people need to stop saying anything otherwise.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
7. Yup - "He will probably spend less time away from New York this week than Hillary
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:57 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton spends going to fundraisers in Florida, Virginia and California. He’s taking New York very seriously."

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
17. She hasn't been in NY since Sunday, will stop in for the debate...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

...and then take off for more out-of-state fundraisers all weekend. Not a single NY event planned this week.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
31. You forgot the sarcasm smiley. He did 3 rallies in NY today.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

Tomorrow nite he has his huge event at Washington Square which includes speakers, musicians.

Not sure where his rallies will be, but you can be certain he will be out and about.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
5. i'm not worried, and he deserves this trip.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

Lots of boots on the ground and in the internet to keep things moving.
He can use the flight time to rest up after the debate, and the flight back to get other work done.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
53. Even if it was, so what?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

You think Hillary paraded those shooting victim mom's out on stage just cause she's a fellow mother?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
61. Hill camp approach. Everything is calculated, insincere, a hustle.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:10 AM
Apr 2016

So glad Bernie doesn't need to live in that world.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
65. Seeing how that is what he is doing with this trip....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

Boy, you guys really ARE miffed that Da Hill didn't get an invite.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
66. Yes, we're so sad we didn't get to fly thousands of miles
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

to speak for 10 minutes before everyone goes for a coffee break.

Your man got the equivalent of the table next to the kitchen door here.

 

fighting-irish

(75 posts)
29. What really gets your goat is that....
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie can still fly to Vatican and back and still raise more than Clinton can raise in the Clooney event. I do pledge a dollar per hour he's out of the country until he returns. I encourage my Bernie supporters to do the same.

Plenty of Bernie events this weekend - we're doing a BernieBQ!

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
35. Fascinating, Politico claims that his supporters are
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

in a frenzy, but the people here responding, show just

the opposite. I trust Bernie to know what he is doing and
wish him well for his trip. It seems to me most of his supporters
feel the same way.

So why all of a sudden the concern from the HRC supporters?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
56. Because it was a way for Politico to slip in
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:23 AM
Apr 2016

All those other nasties they wanted to bring up to try to make Bernie look like a loser.

Sometimes you don't even need to read the article to know what it's going to say. The title alone is enough.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
42. Just another conspiracy theory why their voter's didn't get to cast their ballots.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

They've got that one down pat. Don't bother to find out about your states voting rules, and with all the republican states that have made it their main cause to pass draconian voter id laws to keep people from voting, you would think that they would have been paying attention and have prepared for just those circumstances.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
59. Bernie is starting a compassionate political revolution. The trip will further it.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:03 AM
Apr 2016

It will give him an opportunity to network and form alliances with like-minded people of varying backgrounds. This is a positive development for Bernie and the movement he is spearheading.

As one of his supporters, I am happy he was given this opportunity. It's also gratifying to see that his talent and life work are being recognized.






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