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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:14 PM Apr 2016

Hillary lied again? OMG!

A video has been on cable news the past day or so in which Hillary Clinton says that of the thousands of guns used in crimes in New York,
the majority come from (Bernie Sander's) Vermont!

Lawrence O'Donnell (of MSNBC'S "Last Word&quot fact checked that statement tonight and found out, of all those thousands of guns used in crimes which were confiscated by police, 55 came from Vermont.

STOP THE PRESSES !!!

I'm sure Hillary will want to issue an immediate apology to Vermont,
and fire the staff person who gave her the false information.
(Uh, don't hold your breath)

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Hillary lied again? OMG! (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 OP
She lies with impunity because the sheep don't give a fuck. It's her turn. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #1
and did you notice she said it in a creepy voice? grasswire Apr 2016 #2
Were you frightened? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #9
I am very afraid of her. grasswire Apr 2016 #14
She always frightens me. 840high Apr 2016 #28
You need to toughe up a bit Renew Deal Apr 2016 #35
I did notice that. She was reading her carefully printed out notes in a very soft deep voice. jillan Apr 2016 #12
yes! grasswire Apr 2016 #16
That's exactly what it reminded me off. jillan Apr 2016 #17
Gawd, how icky. senz Apr 2016 #22
I would be surprised if I saw a headline where she didn't lie.... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #3
She's desperate. Unfortunately there are plenty of sheep to hear her bleating. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #4
She lies? How often? Let me count the ways! sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #5
Sorry. I don't have enough fingers. desmiller Apr 2016 #10
How many Pinocchios has she collected over the past few decades? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #6
The Pinocchios take up a lot of closet space mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #11
Damn, that's almost as bad as the money she leaves lying all over the place. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #13
Probably use those to roll joints of cavier mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #20
but of course CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #30
She has more room now that her server isn't there any more jfern Apr 2016 #25
She said "per capita" this time........yet before she said it without those two words..a lie. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #7
DO you have the video? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #8
Link to Academy Award winning performance here. nc4bo Apr 2016 #18
Thank you. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #37
Liar, liar pantsuit on fire!! I knew she had to be making shit up the second it flew out her lips. nc4bo Apr 2016 #15
How one can know if Hillary is lyin about Bernie? awake Apr 2016 #19
It looks like you're the one not telling the truth. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #21
Lying is her apparent modus operandi. Why else would 57 % of the voters distrust her? eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #23
I bet they don't even account for most of the illegal guns in Plattsburg jfern Apr 2016 #24
She holds an F as should all progressives.. fun n serious Apr 2016 #26
Were those Vermont guns the ones that she was running from in Bosnia? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #29
Should guns be allowed in checked luggage on airplanes, as they are now? JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #31
Gun lobby attack piece on Bernie left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #39
I remember that thread AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #27
K & R AzDar Apr 2016 #32
FACT: Vermont produces more maple syrup PER CAPITA than ALL OF CANADA!!! Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #33
Actually she didn't lie, she merely misled tularetom Apr 2016 #34
"Per capita"... DanTex Apr 2016 #36
It's pretty shitty to lie slamming another state like that. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #38
If she keeps this up -- I will put together a comparison of Arkansas and Vermont karynnj Apr 2016 #40
She might have some sociopathic tendencies. She lies pretty much every Doctor_J Apr 2016 #41
Politifact has a map showing which states the guns come from and how many passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #42
Thanks for illustrating just how egregious her lie was. vintx Apr 2016 #43
Well, I sure know how to kill a thread, don't I? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #44

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
14. I am very afraid of her.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

That's generally the way it is when you mistrust someone who lies and deceives.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
12. I did notice that. She was reading her carefully printed out notes in a very soft deep voice.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:38 PM
Apr 2016

Beware of the boogey man from Vermont! Booooo!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. How many Pinocchios has she collected over the past few decades?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

They must have had to add a separate wing on the mansion for them all.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
11. The Pinocchios take up a lot of closet space
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

Periodically, that overflows and theygo sliding across the kitchen, some falling into the sink and clogging up the garbage disposal which has been working overtime since before the turn of the millennium. A few end up in the fireplace which would almost make sense except that it's just decorative and the staff has to then clean it out. An unfortunate few fall down the cloths chutes and end up hopelessly tangled in mountains of underwear. Those wooden noses are almost at home there.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
13. Damn, that's almost as bad as the money she leaves lying all over the place.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

Of course the hundreds come in handy when they need something to light the fireplace.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
25. She has more room now that her server isn't there any more
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:05 AM
Apr 2016

That room couldn't be too cluttered before because every day she would come in and wipe her server with a cloth.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
7. She said "per capita" this time........yet before she said it without those two words..a lie.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

Sniper fire, did not have sex with that woman...they lie and so many want them to represent us all again in the WH. Yet so many more do not!

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
37. Thank you.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

The grin on her face as she says the list with killers and domestic abusers is scary. Also watching her talk about per capita and no gun laws just makes a chill run down my back, I meed to capture this video and run it side by side with Cruz, I think she is starting to look more and more like our parties version of him.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
15. Liar, liar pantsuit on fire!! I knew she had to be making shit up the second it flew out her lips.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

She should really look into narrating Aesop's fables on audio books. The kids would love the extra, breathless dramatic atmosphere her vocals would add.

Very talented in creating over the top theater. Two thumbs up








awake

(3,226 posts)
19. How one can know if Hillary is lyin about Bernie?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

1st Is Hillary talking about Bernie ? If so check if her lips are moving and if so there is a good chance she is lying.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
33. FACT: Vermont produces more maple syrup PER CAPITA than ALL OF CANADA!!!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:31 AM
Apr 2016

Vermont population (2014): 626,532
VT Maple Syrup production (2013): 1,320,000 gallons
1,320,000 / 626,532 = 2.1068 gallons PER PERSON!!!

Canadian population (2004): 35,160,000
Canadian Maple Syrup production (2004): 7,000,000 gallons
7,000,000 gallons / 35,160,000 = ONLY 0.1991 gallons PER PERSON!!!

And what do we learn from this?

Jack shit nothing, except that statistics can be tortured until they scream for mercy.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
34. Actually she didn't lie, she merely misled
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:38 AM
Apr 2016

What she said was the highest number of guns used in crimes in NY, per capita, came from Vermont.

Well, duh. "Per capita" is the key, since there are only a few thousand people in Vermont, it doesn't take many guns to make that statement literally true.

But the whole sequence was fucking hilarious, all it lacked was the scarey music just before she said "Vermont".

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
38. It's pretty shitty to lie slamming another state like that.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

Not a very presidential thing to do, is it?

It's one thing to smear Sanders, it's another thing to smear his state. She just thinks anything and anybody is fair game to be used to further her ambitions.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
40. If she keeps this up -- I will put together a comparison of Arkansas and Vermont
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

I think I know which one wins on everything important to quality of life. Just environmental issues would be enough for Vermont to win in a landslide.

PS This is not a smart game on her part. Consider that Vermont, the safest state in the union, has a pretty terrific image ... and she needs to change her favorables in a positive direction. Smearing Vermont could have the opposite effect.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
41. She might have some sociopathic tendencies. She lies pretty much every
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

She reminds me of Bush in that respect.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
42. Politifact has a map showing which states the guns come from and how many
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/12/hillary-clinton/look-hillary-clintons-claim-about-vermonts-gun-pip/

Sorry, can't embed image here.

So, I'll list the numbers here. This information comes from Bureau of Firearms, tobacco and explosives, office of strategic intelligence and information.

14 States that are in the gun pipeline to NY are:

California...........49.......39,144,818
Texas..............103.......27,469,114
Florida.............292.......20,271,272
Alabama............91.......4,858,979
Georgia............386.......10,214,860
S Carolina.........256.......4,896,146
Tennessee..........57.......6,600,299
N Carolina.........279.......10,042,802
Virginia.............395.......8,382,993
W Virginia...........66.......1,844,128
Ohio.................152.......11,613,423
Pennsylvania......371.......12,802,503
Connecticut.........59.......3,590,886
Vermont..............55.......626,042

She not only lied, but it was a whopper, because there is only one state with fewer guns coming from it to NY (Cali) recovered from crimes.

BTW, saying per capita means nothing. It's just a sneaky way of providing misinformation in a speech without actually lying (and she is superb at this), because nobody cares about per capita. If per capita had anything to do with it, California would have the highest number for guns recovered, and they have the lowest.

This is the way Hillary rolls. And people want her for President?

edited to add residents per state
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