You know what is funny about Bernie, the criticism going to the Vatican

[gabeana]

since we now know that Bernie was invited to speak. Invited, meaning for the hard to comprehend, he was asked,
If instead of going, Bernie said he needed to stay in NY to campaign, The Hillary supporters would be screaming to the high heavens that he was a hypocrite for not going and not taking the opportunity to speak about world poverty since a key to his whole campaign is economic inequality.

[itsrobert]

1. invited?

[basselope]

3. Yep.

Invited to a high profile conference on the Pope's most important topics.

[itsrobert]

4. Camp Pinocchio at it again

[beam me up scottie]

6. Yes, invitation. Someone's lying but it's not Bernie:

Hyuk hyuk hyuk!

[jberryhill]

15. That is a much better forgery than Obama's so-called "birth certificate"

[beam me up scottie]

16. I know, right? We picked up a few skills since 2008.

[CoffeeCat]

18. How can anyone believe, at this point, that Bernie wasn't invited?

There's the invitation, right there! Bernie was invited! Facts are facts.

I think some in the Hillary camp tried so desperately to turn this into a fiasco, because they just can't stand that Bernie was invited to participate in this prestigious conference. This is epic. It's an honor to be invited.

They want so badly to muddy the waters.

I am so proud of Bernie. Regardless of what a bunch of sour-grapes envious haters type on a messageboard.

[beam me up scottie]

23. They live in a bubble - my guess is they only read propaganda.

They are so obsessed with this visit they're unhinged, I worry that they won't last much longer at this rate.

They're probably praying that he doesn't go.

[CoffeeCat]

39. "Praying" that someone doesn't go to Vatican City...

Now that would have to be the epitome of irony.

[Qutzupalotl]

48. But where's the LONG FORM invitation?

Right?

[beam me up scottie]

50. Exactly! A master of forgery like that, who knows what other documents he's created?

[basselope]

8. Did Hillary make up another whopper?

[gabeana]

9. Your not that bright are you

make sense from following your post, like I said you can't comprehend, did I say the pope, no I did not, but like your candidate you ignore the truth

The Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, told The Daily Beast that it wasn’t the pope who personally invited the politician. “The invitation was made on behalf of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, not by Pope Francis,” he said. “There is no expectation that the pope will meet Mr. Sanders.” He then added that he could not completely exclude the possibility, but that nothing was on the agenda at the moment.

The Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, told The Daily Beast that it wasn’t the pope who personally invited the politician. “The invitation was made on behalf of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, not by Pope Francis,” he said. “There is no expectation that the pope will meet Mr. Sanders.” He then added that he could not completely exclude the possibility, but that nothing was on the agenda at the moment.

[itsrobert]

14. Truth is Bernie was "invited" after his campaign pushed for it

And then Pinocchio Sanders affirmed on the View that the Pope invited him.

Bernie Pinocchio's story changed hourly in the first 24 hours after the View announcement.

[rhett o rick]

19. I heard that the Pope said that he wouldn't have anything to do with H. Clinton because of

her support of wars for profits. Apparently the Pope recognizes that she values money over all else. $150,000,000 and counting.

[itsrobert]

21. Camp Pinocchio just can't help it

I see.

[rhett o rick]

27. WaPo said that Clinton was Camp Pinocchio.

[itsrobert]

29. Bernie has 10 trophy cases full from the WashPost

He is easily the top Pinocchio.

[rhett o rick]

32. Do you want to start a list? Bill said he didn't have sex with that women.

Hillary said that Hussein was developing WMD including nuclear devices and harboring al qaeda terrorists.

Hillary said she supported the Reagans position on AIDS and HIV.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

53. tell us about her trip to bosnia

lol

you are one of the funny ones

better than tv

[TM99]

26. So do you the truth is the fantasy

in your head as opposed to actual facts in evidence.

No wonder you support Clinton.

[CoffeeCat]

31. So you have inside information about what Bernie's campaign did?

How do you know that "Bernie's campaign pushed for it" as you said?

You don't.

I read that Bernie has kept in contact with officials at the Vatican for months, because he is interested in the encyclical. He's been interested for a while because the Pope has been talking about economic justice for the poor and the vulnerable. He's also been talking about income inequality. Issues that Bernie takes to heart.

I think you people make it up as you go--in an attempt to throw shade whenever a Bernie supporter DARES to feel positive about Bernie for five seconds.

I think some of you are incredibly immature and a envious--and all you can do is tear down after examining every little thing Bernie says, just so you can beat him down. You're always looking for the bad.

You're incredibly poor sports.

I saw Hillary's really strong endorsement by the NY Daily News today. I didn't chime in with the little rofl guy, mocking all of you and digging into every little detail. But that's what you guys do, at every turn. Every time a Sanders supporter talks about a promising poll or a bird landing on his podium or a terrific rally--one or two or three of you are always the FIRST to reply with your bile. "OH YEAH!! Will Bernie may have the big rallies, but Hillary has the most delegates!! Too bad for you! LOL!"

My husband and I were our daughters' soccer coaches and we used to teach them about sportsmanship and congratulating the other team, or at least being polite. You "first responders" with your negativity could learn a thing or two from the third graders that we used to coach, I can tell you that.

[rhett o rick]

35. The difference is that Clintons represent the Rich Fat Cats and Sanders supports the 99%.

This is a class war and H. Clinton-Sachs isn't on our side.

[fun n serious]

44. Sanders has yet to prove he has done squat for the 99% nt

[Qutzupalotl]

46. Just ask the people of Vermont

who voted for him overwhelmingly. The most popular Senator.

[fun n serious]

52. What has he done for the 99% ?

Popular? How?

[Qutzupalotl]

54. 83% approval rating from his constituents.

The highest in the Senate.

[fun n serious]

55. I don't know what he has accomplished. nt

[Qutzupalotl]

56. Thus you should ask the people of Vermont

who are quite happy with his performance.

[Beartracks]

38. "Camp Pinocchio"? ROFL

I'm not saying that "Camp Weathervane" is always an appropriately-used insult for Team Hillary, but...

Google Search for " 'Camp Pinocchio' Sanders" = 26 hits
Google Search for " 'Camp Weathervane' Clinton" = 4,830 hits


... Google says, "Try harder."


====================================

[840high]

65. Bam!

[2pooped2pop]

76. Hillary supporters really don't get the irony of them calling Bernie a liar.

Sniper fire hero is not trusted because she comes off as a habitual liar. No, let's change that to IS a habitual liar. One who has been selling political favors to anyone with enough cash to donate to her foundation, at that. We used to call someone with her history a Benedict Arnold. I wonder how much she will make with her bullshit charity if she does get elected. I wonder what she will be willing to trade for cash? How many government secrets? How many policies that will destroy lives? How many wars?

She's fucking scary.

[CoffeeCat]

11. Yes Bernie was invited and the Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences verified.

Have you been out of the country?

The organization holding the conference is the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences in Vatican City. Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo is the Chancellor of that organization.

"It was my idea to invite Sanders," said Chancellor Sorondo.

This was reported by Reuters and dozens of other media outlets.

[HERVEPA]

49. itsrobert

[B Calm]

71. LOL, yes he was invited.

[FreakinDJ]

2. What we need more proof there is a general lack of ethics ?

Look at their candidate

[beam me up scottie]

5. It's all theater, anything to avoid discussing issues.

[Kalidurga]

7. They are cowards.

They show it by the things they post and the things they are silent on. I am really good at hearing the silence.

[gabeana]

10. I know they are pretty consisitent on that

not following facts, many of them remind of repugs

[Kalidurga]

12. Yes they use liberal language sort of...

They throw out a word here and there and talk up liberal values, but they do it in such an authoritarian fashion by using tactics of bullies.

[DemocracyDirect]

13. My favorite was on another thread...

Where a picture in the signature of the poster said...

"The more you lie, the more you sound like a Republican"

And then in the post, the poster spouted a lie about Bernie.

[Kalidurga]

36. LOL they do that a lot

I didn't see that one. Nice catch.

[CoffeeCat]

34. Those are the "drive-by" goofballs

They insinuate something, or the mock us, or they lay out a lie.

Then, a Bernie supporter will post a link (or in this case, the actual INVITATION), and then the person disappears.

Speaks volumes when they are owned like that.

[NuclearDem]

17. Has Bernie read the Centesimus Annus yet?

Given how he reacts to harsh words being said about socialists, he may need to bring a barf bag.

[MADem]

20. He wasn't invited. He got someone to horn in for him and cadge him an invite, not to see the POPE

but to go the Pontifical Academy, to the Social Sciences division, where they have a little meeting every year of the Academy members and a few guests where they talk about issues they've raised in the past and present research. It's an academic exercise.

Sanders lied, said he was invited after the guy presenting the paper this year wrangled him an invitation, then went on MSNBC and THE VIEW and told all assembled that the POPE invited him TO THE VATICAN.

The Pope promptly announced he was going to Lesbos. The Vatican--the actual Vatican--later announced that they didn't invite him and the Pope had no plans to meet with him.

I thought the rumor that he was rethinking the trip was true, and I thought that was a smart move on his part... but apparently no.

I think he wants to have some sort of sad excuse to explain his loss. Whatever. Will they meet with two or three "Americans Abroad" so they can charge the trip to the campaign, I wonder?

[itsrobert]

25. Camp Pinocchio doesn't want to hear real facts

they have their own.

[morningfog]

40. George Clooney is hosting a fundraiser for him,

so the campaign can cover it.

[Meteor Man]

42. The Guy

"The guy presenting the paper this year" who "wrangled" Bernies invitation was Jeffry Sachs, who among other accomplishments wrote "The End of Poverty".

[CoffeeCat]

43. Bernie was invited

and the invitation is fully displayed in this thread.

After Bernie was invited he sent out a press release, announcing that he was invited (which he clearly was).

All of your yammering about Bernie, "He got someone to horn in for him and cadge him an invite..." is all lies. You have no proof that any of that happening. AT ALL. You can't stand that he was invited and that they want him there, so you continue to dogpile and obsess in these threads.

The sour-grapes brigade is the little black cloud that tries oh-so hard to dampen any good news for Sanders and his supporters.

It's an incredible honor that a Democrat has been invited to participate in this event in which social justice and economic equality will be discussed. And yes, he's going.

The rest is just bullshit, sour-grapes, hand-wringing and poor sportsmanship on the part of Hillary supporters.

So ugly!

[MADem]

58. That's why the pope said he didn't invite him and Sorono clammed up when asked if the invite was

someone else's idea.

You are way behind the curve on this story.

Bernie went on the VIEW and MSNBC and insisted the POPE invited him.

How do they characterize that kind of remark in Italia? Pantaloni in fiamme?

[CoffeeCat]

60. I'm afraid that you are the one who is sorely misguided and incredibly misinformed

Bernie was invited to this conference. The invitation has been made public. Signed by Sordono himself.

The Pope has not interjected himself into this situation, because there is no need to.

The Pope never came out and said that he didn't invite Bernie. That is an absurd statement.

Again, you are completely making this up as you go along.

Have fun sniping and analyzing and ruminating. Sour grapes derangement syndrome on full display.

[MADem]

61. Nope. Jeffrey Sachs coordinated this hot mess. Do your homework.

The Pope is getting the foxtrot outta town--he's going to LESBOS.

The Pope DID come out and say he didn't invite Bernie. Do the google.

You're just wrong, wrong, and more wrong.

[CoffeeCat]

64. Three points:

--Your assertions about Jeffrey Sachs are nothing but speculation. You have NO IDEA what went on behind the scenes anymore than I do. Guess what? You and I weren't there. All we know is that Bernie was invited. What Jeffrey Sachs did or said is unknown.

--I see no account of the Pope himself saying that he did not invite Bernie. I read a great deal about this during the past few days. I didn't see that. So...can you point me to what you have found that has the Pope speaking about this? I say it doesn't exist, but I'm willing to be open minded.

--It's my understanding that the Pope will be in Vatican City on the day of the PASS event (Friday, April 15th). I read that the Pope will be in Greece on April 16th. This doesn't mean that the Pope will attend the PASS event OR that he will meet with Bernie. But...everything I've read indicates that the Pope will be in Vatican City the day of the PASS event.

I certainly don't know everything about this situation. I'd like to know more, so if you would be so kind as to provide any add'l info, I'd appreciate it. I will continue Googling as well.

[lostnfound]

68. Your job is to harass?

Rudeness doesn't become you. It's the other way around.

[MADem]

77. Rude censorship doesn't become YOU. Stop with the bullshit faux shaming.

Read the paper. Keep up with the news.

And if you have to interject, have your facts in order.

[one_voice]

22. I'm going to say this and get it out of the way..

I think any attention to the poor is a good. This Pope is bringing it, so kudos. Good on Bernie for going.

Onto my point--you know what I think is funny about this little trip..

When anyone was saying good things about this Pope 6 months ago they were getting their asses handed to them. Oh, no this Pope was anti woman and homophobic, he had no place on DU, etc. Do. not. embrace. him. period.

NOW, the same people that were dissing this Pope have broken their ankles jumping on the bandwagon. Hope you have Obamacare.

Google. it's there.

[Kalidurga]

37. Well I still don't particularly like the Pope, but I do love watching Hillarians chit bricks..

And one more thing. If someone I don't care who it is talks about issues facing the poor and is willing to discuss solutions I will listen. I will even listen to Paul Ryan if he takes the GOP gag ball out of his mouth long enough to talk about solutions that will work instead of GOP punishment measures.

[CoffeeCat]

45. I think you can disagree with this Pope AND also the Catholic Church

but still recognize that being invited to this event is a very exciting honor for Bernie.

That's all. Plain and simple.

In the scheme of things, I don't think it means much for this campaign. He's going. He'll participate with other world leaders and researchers and the topics are ones on which Bernie's campaign has focused. Like income inequality, worshipping money, helping the poor and the less fortunate.

It's a huge honor, but really I think Hillary supporters have completely lost their minds and gone off the rails about this.

Anytime a Sanders supporter just wants to discuss how this is cool--they are mocked, made fun of, the campaign is made fun of, and we're then off in the tall weeds examining every little word that has been said about this.

It's just very bizarre.

[one_voice]

75. This..

Anytime a Sanders supporter just wants to discuss how this is cool--

I'm not mocking Sander supporters. I'm mocking hypocrites. As I said in my first line I think it's a very good thing. I've always thought it was a very good thing. BUT when I said it BEFORE Bernie was going on this trip I all kinds of an asshole for aligning myself with a homophobic, misogynistic, asshole. Thus, I was those things too. Not very nice things to call someone.

Those who did that know who they are.

I like Bernie very much. I think his message about the poor is on point. Funny how that was overlooked--I said that too.

[MADem]

59. LOL~~!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everything you say is true! And your last comment about Obamacare?

PRICELESS!

[NanceGreggs]

24. We all know ...

... how the "invitation" was "arranged".

I can't imagine any HRC supporters "screaming to the high heavens" about his non-attendance at the conference. But it's always fun to play pretend about such things, isn't it?

The obvious question is why Bernie - facing a predicted loss in NY - would take days off campaigning there in order to deliver a ten-minute speech at a conference at the Vatican.

If he thought he had a chance of winning NY, he would be on-the-ground campaigning there to ensure his victory by a YUGE margin, which is what he needs to stay even remotely viable.

Maybe we'll hear from Bernie's campaign, after losing NY, that he lost because he thought his ten minutes at a small conference in Italy was more important than winning his "home state".

And THAT will be an interesting read.

[CoffeeCat]

47. Nancy, you could say the same thing for Hillary

Hillary is leaving the campaign trail Friday for California. She has fundraisers Friday night and Saturday night with George Clooney. She most likely won't return to NY until sometime on Sunday. She'll be gone longer than Bernie, most likely.

Couldn't one make the same case about Hillary? Why is she leaving the NY campaign trail during the entire weekend before this big New York vote on Tuesday?

What does that say about her? Has she given up?

They're both leaving! Can't we just leave it at that, without the breathless innuendo and absurd negative speculation?

[NanceGreggs]

57. The difference being ...

... that all of the polls have HRC ahead in NY by wide margins.

The difference also being that Hillary will be fund-raising for the Party, and for down-ticket Dems. When do you suppose Bernie will be contributing to his "fellow Democrats"? Do ya think he'll hit the Pontiff up for a few bucks to do so?

[CoffeeCat]

62. Your original point...

was that Bernie's exit was proof that he knows he can't win. That's a big leap don't you think? He was invited to go, and it's kind of a big deal to be invited to Vatican City. He's taking a charter flight so he's not going to be gone that long.

And Hillary is not that far ahead in the polls. The recent CBS poll (which is very reliable and uses sound methodology) has Bernie within 10 points. Bernie has beat her in states where he has been down by more than ten points.

I think they're both in the fight of their lives here and neither is taking anything for granted. I'm surprised that you would suggest that she's leaving, because she thinks she's got it sewn up.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

[NanceGreggs]

63. I didn't say BS leaving was "proof" ...

... that he knows he can't win.

Nor did I say that HRC was leaving town because she thinks she has it "all sewn up".

But the numbers are what they are. And Hill's ahead in every reliable poll.

[gabeana]

28. Everyone see how the Hillary supporters avoid the issue

I could call them liars but I won't they hijack the post by saying he wasn't invited, he was,
the post tenor was basically no matter what Bernie did they would still bitch, because that is all they do and they are proving it just look at their post on this thread, they are consistent, got to give them credit

[beam me up scottie]

33. Yep, just ignore them. Hillary was snubbed by the pope, this is nothing but jealousy.

I wish Bernie didn't want anything to do with the pope but at least it will bring attention to the poor.

Not to mention when Bernie went to Liberty University The first thing he did was stand up for women's and lgbt rights - unlike Hillary who kissed up to Rick Warren and his bigots in his church.

[nolawarlock]

67. It doesn't matter to me who invited who.

The source of the invitation is trivial to me. While I do think it's pretty clear that Sorondo, Sachs, and Sanders concocted this to score a few votes, I'm less concerned with their short-term desire for votes than either them or you.

The real issues for me start with Sanders' hypocrisy in going on about taking money and power out of politics and giving the power back to the voter all while hiding under the robes of one of the most wealthy and powerful institutions in the world in hopes that it will be seen as a tacit endorsement, setting a trend by which the faithful are soft-sold on who to vote for by powerful religious institutions.

And I'm even more concerned that any Vatican official is doing this, but not surprised. We as voters should be concerned. You've got this current pope, who, while economically liberal, is probably as to Cruz as he is to Sanders when all of his positions are put into play and most if his predecessors have not been as enlightened. I don't think we should set a trend where any large Church is determining who our leaders are anymore than corporations. And heck, at least the corporations pay taxes. Yeah, they don't pay what they should pay, but they're paying a heck of a lot more than the Church and they're getting to game our election for free.

[revbones]

30. The speed at which the criticism evolved was comical

From "he wasn't invited" to "he invited himself" to "it wasn't the Pope" to "how's he getting there" to "Can he afford to take the time away"

I missed a few but as each claim was debunked, there was another just waiting in the wings.

[SeattleVet]

41. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

[CoffeeCat]

51. And don't forget the latest lie/rumor, "OMG, he's not going now."

Seriously. It's like listening to a bunch of catty sorority girls.

[nolawarlock]

66. This Hillary supporter wouldn't scream that ...

As a matter of fact, had Hillary been invited and not Sanders, I'd have been just as concerned. In fact, I'm deeply concerned about the long-game effects of this decision and I think it's a grave mistake not only of Sanders, but of the Vatican.

[brooklynite]

69. No...because nobody would have known he was invited...

[B Calm]

70. I'm noticing a lot lately about Hillary supporters. Post a thread about Hillary's stance

on important issues and they will completely ignore it. Any thread that puts down Bernie and they pile on like nasty flies on a turd!

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. Their criticism has no relationship to anything true.

It's nothing but trash.

[PeaceNikki]

73. Not me. I could give a shit if he goes. I find the RCC abhorrent hypocrites, but if he wants to

fly over there to participate, more power to him.

If he declined, I would be even cooler with that.

[yardwork]

74. Nobody would say that, actually.