"Well, it was fun while it lasted, say many former Sanders supporters

[Surya Gayatri]

after hearing the devastating NYDN interview."

This said by Joe Scarborough, who has now become a well-respected, quotable pundit for the Sanders camp, on Morning Joe just now.

TRANSCRIPT: Bernie Sanders meets with the Daily News Editorial Board, April 1, 2016

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-hillary-clinton-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2596292

[vt_native]

1. This story was debunked

The interviewer mixed up the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department.

Bernie was consistent with his plan to break up the big banks.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth can put its pants on.

[Surya Gayatri]

3. No, what Joe Scar said just now has not be debunked.

He was talking about NY poll numbers and the impact of the notorious interview.

The video clip should be available soon on http://www.msnbc.com/msn

[Octafish]

105. Yeah, it was. Same day, actually, by Juan Gonzalez, who was THERE.

The guy from DemocracyNow!

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Yeah, well, I certainly didn’t get that impression, tell you the truth. The editorial board is notorious, especially our editorial page editor, Arthur Browne, for his laser-like one question after another, and he bombarded, as several others of us also asked questions. I, overall, thought that Bernie Sanders handled the exchange very well. And I think that there were a few places where he stumbled, and—but I was amazed at his ability to parry the questions that were thrown at him and to, basically, for instance, bluntly say, when he was asked about the Israeli-Palestinian situation, that Israel needed to withdraw from the illegal settlements in Palestinian territory, which I was astounded that he was quite frank and clear on his position, while at the same time saying he would do everything possible as president to negotiate peace and security for Israel in an overall settlement. And I think there—he did stumble a little bit when he was pressed on how he would break up some of the too-big-to-fail banks. He clearly did not have that down pat.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/6/juan_gonzalez_was_at_bernie_sanders

[Thinkingabout]

4. Who debunked it and where is the link?

[Armstead]

49. Not that it matters because you'll ignore and discount it, but here.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/upshot/yes-bernie-sanders-knows-something-about-breaking-up-banks.html

Yes, Bernie Sanders Knows Something About Breaking Up Banks

Bernie Sanders probably knows more about breaking up banks than his critics give him credit for.

The Daily News on Monday published an interview with him that led some commentators to say he didn’t know how to break up the country’s biggest banks. Downsizing the largest financial institutions is one of Mr. Sanders’s signature policies, so it would indeed raise questions about his candidacy if he had little idea of how to do it.

In the interview, with The Daily News’s editorial board, Mr. Sanders does appear to get tangled up in some details and lacks clarity. Breaking up the banks would involve arcane and complex regulatory moves that can trip up any banking policy wonk, let alone a presidential candidate. But, taken as a whole, Mr. Sanders’s answers seem to make sense. Crucially, his answers mostly track with a reasonably straightforward breakup plan that he introduced to Congress last year.

MORE

[HillareeeHillaraah]

11. Disputed by Shaun King

Is not the same as being debunked.

Two different words, two entirely different meanings.

Sanders was unable to go beyond his own talking points and offer some detail beyond taxing the millionaires and billionaires. Good luck with that Senator. Have you met our congress?

And THAT is the bulk of the criticism against the senator.

Good ideas, in fact, goals that democrats have been striving for years to achieve, but his screeds never lay out paths to get there.

Gotta have more than platitudes....

[HillareeeHillaraah]

32. Nope, not even close

But I do read. A lot.

[rock]

82. Neat screen name

Is it sung to the tune of "Happy Wanderer?"

[HillareeeHillaraah]

90. Uh huh

Doh! Now its gonna be stuck in my head all day!

[Surya Gayatri]

102. "I love to go a-wandering, along the mountain track,

And as I go, I love to sing, my knapsack on my back...

[Armstead]

50. Democrats have NOT been striving foe years to achieve....

The Clinton Centrists helped form huge monopolies through the deregulatory policies Bill pushed for and supported.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

54. Well while your side's been busy criticizing Clinton and Obama

Republicans wrestled control of 32 Governors mansions and Republicans still hold total control of 30 of the country's 50 state legislatures (60 percent) and have total or split control of 38 of the 50 (76 percent.).

In the 2014 midterm democrats lost 913 state legislative seats... In dismal democratic turnout numbers. Markedly missing from the equation? Millennials!

Democrats are not the enemy, republicans are!

Enact free college tuition? Hell, we can barely control the content of grade school textbooks!

And no, I'm not a damn sock puppet as someone upthread claimed, I GOOGLED!

[LondonReign2]

60. Clearly the only possible answer to this alarming trend is

to run ever MORE conservative Democrats. Just because it hasn't worked very well in the past (well, actually it has, for those making the decisions) doesn't mean it isn't a great strategy. Rightward and Upward!

[HillareeeHillaraah]

65. No, the answer to this alarming trend is to get more democrats elected

so that stronger democratic majorities can give elected officials room to once again tack left.

Wanna see a politician support progressive values? Have more progressive voters consistently show up and vote!

But they don't. Certainly not in the midterms. But republicans vote. Consistently. And republicans do their damnedest to make it hard to vote. That's the enemy.

A politician can espouse as progressive an agenda as he/she is driven to, but if you can't win the election, you're on the outside looking in to the room where it happens. Russ Feingold knows about this. Is Senator Sanders doing anything to help him get his seat back? I certainly hope so.

And you can fight that concept but that's how our government is set up to operate. We are a republic, not a pure majority driven democracy. That's how the rights of the individual and the minority voice are protected.

Consistently voting is how progressivism will return.

[Fawke Em]

75. What's the point of electing a Democrat who acts like an old-school Republican?

I've voted for Democrats for 28 years and I'm tired of getting GOP Lite. This year I've decided that it's not good enough anymore. I will vote for the most liberal candidate in any race - and that could be a third party if the Democrat is just milquetoast Third Way.

I'm done being scared of the "we'll get a Republican" crap because I don't happen to see a lot of difference between many of them and most of our Third Wayers.

[WhiteTara]

88. Then you'll love Trump/Cruz/Kasich

and perhaps you'll see a difference then.

[Fawke Em]

99. Tell me where they will be different?

I bet I can prove you wrong.

[WhiteTara]

106. Are you are rich white man?

You may not see a great deal of difference; but, for women, POC, LGBT and all other countries of the world, it will be a nightmare from which there will be no waking. That was the same argument for Gore and Bush and if you were alive during 20000-2008, you could see what the difference was.

Your screen name makes me think that you won't care though.

[LondonReign2]

96. Exact same story here Fawke

I've voted for Democrats since 1984 and we morphed into the party of Ronald Reagan.

Are the current crazy fuck Republicans worse? Or course, but if we keep voting for the same shit sandwich because the double shit sandwich is worse it shouldn't be a surprise when we get a shit sandwich, with a little extra shit every four years.

[Fawke Em]

101. Yes - it's a damned if we do or damned if we don't situation.

Either way, something's got to give. Millennials are or soon will be the largest voting block and they are to the left of the current Democratic Party. They need a place to call home, but this Third-Way, corporate shell of a party that used to represent the working people isn't doing a good job of appealing to them.

We need to either take the Democratic Party back - causing ourselves some pain in the process - or build a third party that represents working people. This Insane Right v. Corporate Right isn't serving anyone but the top 10 percent.

[LondonReign2]

91. Ah, you are under the illusion progressive voters don't show up consistently

It's understandable -- its the meme that conservative Dems like to push to absolve themselves of failure.

The reality is quite different -- liberals/progressives are the most consistent Dem voters, it's the mushy middle that we have trouble appealing to consistently.

http://graphics.wsj.com/exit-polls-2014/
Ideology: Liberals were 23% of the vote in 2014, up from 20% in 2010.

http://www.thirdway.org/third-ways-take/the-impact-of-moderate-voters-on-the-2014-midterms
There is no doubt that moderate voters were crucial to the outcome in 2014, and though Democrats won them 53% to 44% overall, it wasn’t sufficient (in fact, they did 2 points worse with moderates than in the 2010 wave).

Did liberals really stay home and cause the 2010 rout?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/06/1003805/-Did-liberals-really-stay-home-and-cause-the-2010-rout
“So I went back to the exit polls and the picture I see shows nothing like that. If you are a proponent of this claim, I challenge you for empirical proof that some set of activist liberals "took their ball and went home" or whatever metaphor you prefer to make Obama's leftward critics appear childish and immature. Inside, the evidence I found that shows this just ain't so.”

http://blogforarizona.net/do-progressives-even-sit-out-elections-the-numbers-say-no/
“As you can see, Democrats did slightly better with liberals in 2010 than in 2006. Had there really been a collective we’re-sitting-out-the-election-to-spite-Obama pout going on, then there should have been a sharp drop in the liberal participation percentage. Yet notice the 9% drop in moderate voter participation and the concomitant 10% increase in conservative turnout. Republicans were pumped for that election but their turnout tends to be higher in midterms anyway. Millions of moderate voters either flipped to conservative or stayed home in 2010.”

“As you can see, all the Democratic groups dropped, but the liberal Democrats dropped least of all”

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/progressive-movement/news/2012/11/08/44348/the-return-of-the-obama-coalition/
Ideology. Liberals were 25 percent of voters in 2012, up from 22 percent in 2008. Since 1992 the percent of liberals among presidential voters has varied in a narrow band between 20 percent and 22 percent, so the figure for this year is quite unusual. Conservatives, at 35 percent, were up one point from the 2008 level, but down a massive 7 points since 2010.
Ideology. Obama received less support in 2012 from all ideology groups, though the drop-offs were not particularly sharp in any group. He received 86 percent support from liberals (89 percent in 2008), 56 percent from moderates (60 percent in 2008), and 17 percent from conservatives (20 percent in 2008).

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2010-midterms-political-price-economic-pain/story?id=12041739
Democrats and Republicans were at parity in self-identification nationally, 36-36 percent, a return to the close division seen in years before 2008, when it broke dramatically in the Democrats' favor, 40-33 percent.
Swing-voting independents who, as usual, made the difference, favored Republicans for House by a thumping 16 points, 55-39 percent. Compare that to Obama's 8-point win among independents in 2008. It was the Republicans' biggest win among independents in exit polls dating to 1982 (by two points. The GOP won independents by 14 points in 1994, the last time they took control of the House.)

Edited for formatting

[HillareeeHillaraah]

93. NBC EXIT POLLS where are the millennials - voters skew old

data is as data does I suppose...



http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/where-are-millennials-midterm-voters-skew-old-n241216

[LondonReign2]

94. Your data point discusses generations, not ideology

And yes, it is valid with regard to millennials -- we need them to show up more consistently.

However, your claim was that progressives don't show up consistently, and that is simply untrue as the data show. It is a false narrative that I see regularly pushed by conservative Democrats as they look for an excuse for the failures of the party, and as an argument on why we need to keep moving to the right.

The opposite is in fact true -- progressives are the most consistent voting block from an ideological perspective.

[Surya Gayatri]

103. Excellent point.

We are a republic, not a pure majority driven democracy. That's how the rights of the individual and the minority voice are protected.

[Armstead]

80. Thats like a salesperson blaming customers for not buying a product

Maybe if a product isn't selling, instead of blaming the public it would be worthwhile to reevaluate the product, and why not enough people want it.

And rather than blaming sanders supporters and millennials, why didn't more Democrats who support Clinton and Obama turn out in the midterms?

[HillareeeHillaraah]

87. I can only speak for myself and I did vote.

But to your analogy, It's more like customers demanding to know why widgets are no longer for sale when they stopped buying widgets four years ago.

And yes, people who did not vote must shoulder the blame for the republican wave of control. That's true for either a Clinton supporter or a Sanders supporter. But millennials were the group most lacking in numbers in the midterms.

I choose to look at the bigger picture, the long game. Politics is a chess match of power resulting in the laws we live by. Cold hard truth but there it is.

More progressives voting dependably is how we will get the laws we want.

The tea party figured this out and went town by town, county by county, state by state.

Progressives have to do the same to wrestle back control.

One grand shot at the Presidency won't fix jack. OWS was a great start but couldn't form core leadership. I see today an announcement on LBN that they're back and supporting Sanders, great - but it's 6 days before NY votes. Where was their voice when Russ Feingold was losing his seat for example?

I gotta get back to work ~

Eom

[LondonReign2]

97. "More progressives voting dependably is how we will get the laws we want"

I hope the data in post 91 corrects this misconception

[Haveadream]

113. The problem with this argument

is that whether any of us like it or not, a product will be foisted upon us and each of has to live with that. If it were only as simple as declining to have one at all, you would have a point. So, you need to ask yourself, what product can I bear to accept because one is coming no matter what.

I agree with your point about the midterms. Why is it that Republicans really get that and Dems and Indy supporting Dems do not?

[Armstead]

114. Well the movement Sanders represents is trying to offer a better choice

That would mean a Democratic Party that is clearly on the side of the people, as opposed to the bought and paid-for GOP.

Doesn't have to be the perfect product -- but one that is better enough that people can actually get enthusiastic and believe that the Democrats have their backs. That's basically the party I remember (at least on domestic social and economic policy, apart from the exception of the Vietnam War.)

[BlueCaliDem]

85. Yep. So painfully true. eom

[kaleckim]

109. No, you and the Republcians are the enemy

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You want to co-opt the victims of the policies your corrupt candidate and her husband have supported, which have destroyed working people and the poor. Hell, they are the two probably most responsible for dragging your party to the right on economic issues and rose in in the first place with freaking Walton/Walmart money (both facts which you can't deny). She supports a trade model that has destroyed the working class and the middle class. She supports a hawkish foreign policy. She supported harsh sentencing laws, supported gutting social programs that benefited the poor, supports "school choice", supports a vile person in Rahm (currently destroying Chicago and selling it piece by piece to Clinton's top donors). She has supported the deregulation of finance and supports nothing more than window dressing. She opposes a financial transactions tax and re-instating Glass Steagall because her top donors (the banks) don't want it. Doesn't support breaking up the banks (certainly no expanded role for public banking, like what Warren wants to do with postal savings banks, since that would undermine her top donors) for the same reason. I could go on like this.

More people are refusing to identify with either party because your party is corrupt and supports policies that harm working people. You are losing to a pathetic and bat shit crazy party whose ideas are horrible because of that. You aren't interested in taking a step back and thinking critically as to why no one supports your increasingly right wing party and instead want to blame the victims of the system because they don't vote for a further reduction in their living standards.

I watched the documentary "What's the Matter with Kansas", obviously based on the book. One guy in there said he was a socialist but voted for Republicans. They asked him why and he said that the Democratic Party had moved to the right on economic issues so much that he didn't see the need to vote based on economic issues or issues of institutional power. So, he said he voted on social issues like abortion. He said that if the Democrats moved back to the left, he might re-consider. People like yourself have nothing to offer people like that, other than bumper stickers and empty promises.

[kaleckim]

108. LOL!

What in the hell are you talking about? He spelled it all out, there are sound economic reasons as to why the banks should be broken up (the news doesn't seem to have gotten to Clinton or her largest donors), you want to pretend this is an issue because of what exactly? Is the issue that there are no economic reasons to break the bank up? Nope, tons of economists signed a letter saying the should be broken up and they pose a systematic risk to the economy. Can the banks be broken up? Yes, they can be. So, you want to to pretend he has nothing but platitudes because he didn't answer with the type of specificity you demand of him (but don't with Clinton on countless issues in which she has nothing but platitudes)?

My god am I sick of this manipulative politics. Exactly why so few trust and few like your corrupt candidate. You can't actually win on real issues which is why you do what Republicans do to win elections, manipulate reality and people and lie.

Say, can you ask for some specificity on Clinton and Honduras? I was told that she is a foreign policy expert (LOL!), and you really seem interested in tons of specificity, so I am sure you are gritting your teeth at her right now, right?

[Cha]

2. Not really. lol

[Surya Gayatri]

5. Hiya gurrrl! Comment va?

[Human101948]

8. Lighthouses are historical artifacts these days...

Ships pay no attention.

[Surya Gayatri]

10. But, so noble and esthetic, standing for light. And, you've been misled, I fear.

Where would the BBC's "Shipping Report" be, without those "coastal stations", keeping the ships and sailors safe?

[Human101948]

20. Are you confusing weather station locations with their associated lighthouses?

How GPS is Killing Lighthouses: Lights Out along the German Coast

http://www.spiegel.de/international/how-gps-is-killing-lighthouses-lights-out-along-the-german-coast-a-340729.html

GPS puts historic lighthouses on the auction block

http://www.oldhouseweb.com/blog/dont-miss-your-chance-to-bid-on-historical-old-lighthouses/

With today's technology including depth finders and GPS systems, lighthouses are no longer needed for navigation.
Still, they remain today as reminders of that bygone era.

http://www.capecodlighthouses.info/

[Surya Gayatri]

29. Of course not, but nobody is pulling them down, because they have great

historical and esthetic value.

On the contrary, they are being renovated and re-purposed everywhere.

They are some of the most iconic structures in the world.

ETA:



This one in Le Tréport, France, where I had a pied à terre back in the day, is particularly beautiful.

[Scuba]

6. Sorry, but the genie is out of the bottle. Sanders may not win the nomination, but his ...

... political revolution will not be stopped.

[Historic NY]

57. Sure it will people will still continue to sit home while the statehouses are overrun...

with Republican voters, the school boards, the local town hall, etc. There is nothing in Sanders message that address's any of this. Local newspaper people surveying the Marist crowd in Poughkeepsie where I live found few will be voting for Bernie in the primary because many aren't registered or weren't even aware of voting requirements. The political revolution won't be going far when the only motivation is to check off one box every 4 yrs.

[COLGATE4]

92. A painful truth. nt

[Surya Gayatri]

100. So well said. Couldn't agree more.

There is nothing in Sanders message that address's any of this. Local newspaper people surveying the Marist crowd in Poughkeepsie where I live found few will be voting for Bernie in the primary because many aren't registered or weren't even aware of voting requirements. The political revolution won't be going far when the only motivation is to check off one box every 4 yrs.

[kstewart33]

59. Scuba, I hope you're right.

I admire the revolution, but the candidate, not so much.

[BlueCaliDem]

62. That's what some people said about Occupy Wall Street. What happened to them?

Fizzle...pfft.

[Scuba]

63. He won't win a single state. He'll only win Vermont. He'll only win Vermont and New Hampshire.

Keep beating that drum.

[BlueCaliDem]

64. He's been ahead of Hillary ONLY after his New Hampshire blowout. Then it all went downhill

from there for the closeted millionaire who still hasn't released any complete tax returns.

And I'm sure you know, Scuba, that landmass wins are useless in elections, right? I mean, were that not the case, Republicans would have a permanent hold on the White House and Congress. They don't. And even though he won Wyoming's landmass, he lost in pledged and super-delegates 7 to Hillary's 11, which comes down to - he lost. Period.

The closeted millionaire from Vermont is learning a painful lesson, even though he thought he was being clever by running under the Democratic Party brand. He's made some amateur but detrimental mistakes. The result is, he will NOT win the Democratic Party nomination - and just desserts, too. By his own words, he's not and has never been a Democrat and we're sending him the message that we believe him.

[Fawke Em]

77. #FeelTheFBI

[BlueCaliDem]

84. Oh come on, Fawke. You can do better than that.

Stop spreading Republican lies already. You're supposed to be a Democrat.

Stay away from InfoWars, HotAir, and NewsMax. They have a fiduciary responsibility to lie about Democrats - especially about Democrats they fear.

Here, read what WaPo says about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-hillary-clinton-is-unlikely-to-be-indicted-over-her-private-email-server/2016/03/08/341c3786-e557-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html

[uponit7771]

68. He'll go back to doing what he did before he ran.... relatively nothing

[Scuba]

79. Even if that were true, it would still be better than Hillary's track record. By miles.

[BlueCaliDem]

86. Or he'll go back and defend the NRA against gun safety law advocates. It's what he does best when

he's not in the spotlight. I hope he remains in the spotlight, though.

[uponit7771]

89. +1

[LondonReign2]

98. Only in the fucked up land of Hillary partisans does a D- ranking

equate to defending the NRA.

Then again, the truth does matter much with your crowd.

[kaleckim]

111. Say, is your corrupt candidate still meeting with NRA lobbyists

people that actually hand out money to corrupt politicians like Clinton on behalf of drug manufactures? Not that any of you care.

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has called her support for gun control laws a key differentiator from her opponent Bernie Sanders, who she claims isn’t tough enough on the industry. But in mid-March, a Clinton campaign fundraiser will be co-hosted by a lobbyist whose clients have included the National Rifle Association (NRA).

As David Sirota reported Monday in the International Business Times, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is a co-host and the guest of honor at a fundraising lunch in the nation’s capital on March 21.

One of the other co-hosts is Jeff Forbes of the lobbying firm Forbes-Tate.

Forbes has represented the NRA since 2009 (doesn't anymore, but did until a few months ago) and as of the last quarter of 2015 was still registered to lobby for the organization. On his lobbying disclosure, Forbes wrote that he was signed up to lobby for “Issues related to 2nd Amendment rights, regulation and gun control, and tax and appropriations related to same; issues related to corporate tax reform.”

...During the 2013 push for universal background checks, Forbes was one of a phalanx of Democratic Party lobbyists employed by the NRA to kill that legislation.

Forbes is an alumnus of the Bill Clinton administration and later worked as chief of staff to former Montana Democratic Sen. Max Baucus.

Another co-host is Steve Elmendorf, who has lobbied for Goldman Sachs and the U.S.-Colombian Free Trade Agreement.

[BlueCaliDem]

116. Say, has your sneaky candidate released his complete tax returns yet? Before you accuse anyone

about being corrupt, how about you get your secretive candidate to get his past six complete tax filings released so we can see just how pristine and pure he really is. You might want to believe the bull he sells that he's your every day man, but I ain't buyin' it. The man who rails against "millionaires and billionaires" is a millionaire himself, most likely twice over.

http://time.com/money/4235986/bernie-sanders-millionaire-finances/

While the senator is indeed far less wealthy than many of his Senate colleagues — as well as his fellow presidential contenders — he is not exactly a man of modest means.

True, on the financial disclosure forms Sanders released after announcing his entrance into the presidential race, he lists no assets of his own, other than a $5,000 annual pension payment from his stint as mayor of Burlington, Vt. All of the investments itemized on the disclosure form belong to his wife, Jane, who worked as an educator and college administrator.

Of course, it's just guessing since HE STILL HASN'T RELEASED A SINGLE COMPLETE TAX FILING. He's also hiding assets under his wife's name to make himself look like the pauper he so wants his supporters to believe he is. He ain't.

When non-socialist Barack Obama ran for the presidency in 2008, he released eight years of complete tax filings. I mean complete, not the two page IRS 1040 Form, like Sanders did. Hillary did the same.

Sanders has NOT. He's a secretive socialist, isn't he?
http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns?OpenDocument

[kaleckim]

117. LOL!

So, even though your candidate and her husband have gotten three BILLION dollars since they entered politics, her largest donors over the course of her career are giant banks, she has gotten millions in speaking fees, won't release her damn transcripts to them, her foundation is swimming in their money (and money from dictators, weapons profiteers, etc.), your big fake controversy is that Sanders and his wife may have accumulated (at most) a few million. My god, what nonsense. So, what is that for Clinton, about 15 hours of work from her banker buddies? She made about a tenth of what he has accumulated in a couple hours. What weak sauce you people got.

I will ask again, you made your pathetic comment above about Sanders and the NRA. Do you care to respond to her campaign chair meeting with a well known and paid NRA lobbyist, someone that literally hands out checks to corrupt politicians like Clinton on behalf of gun manufactures?

This isn't 1995, the days where you could mock the left and not pay a price are gone. I hope your candidate crashes and burns. Go FBI!

[LexVegas]

7. Sanders crew loves them some Mornin' Joe! nt

[Surya Gayatri]

12. He's become quite a quotable mascot among them...LOL!

[giftedgirl77]

13. They love all shady Republicans if they jump on the BernieBandwagon.

[LexVegas]

15. Shit, they love the fucking Vatican now. nt

[giftedgirl77]

17. Shifty & shady as fuck.

[kaleckim]

110. YOU saying this while using King's picture

Maybe you should read his "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" about white moderates. Wonder who he, being a democratic socialist and prioritizing poverty and social justice, and opposing a hawkish and violent foreign policy, would support. Here's King talking about people like you.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

...I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom.

...I had hoped that the white moderate would see this need. Perhaps I was too optimistic; perhaps I expected too much. I suppose I should have realized that few members of the oppressor race can understand the deep groans and passionate yearnings of the oppressed race, and still fewer have the vision to see that injustice must be rooted out by strong, persistent and determined action. I am thankful, however, that some of our white brothers in the South have grasped the meaning of this social revolution and committed themselves to it. They are still all too few in quantity, but they are big in quality. Some -such as Ralph McGill, Lillian Smith, Harry Golden, James McBride Dabbs, Ann Braden and Sarah Patton Boyle--have written about our struggle in eloquent and prophetic terms. Others have marched with us down nameless streets of the South. They have languished in filthy, roach infested jails, suffering the abuse and brutality of policemen who view them as "dirty nigger-lovers." Unlike so many of their moderate brothers and sisters, they have recognized the urgency of the moment and sensed the need for powerful "action" antidotes to combat the disease of segregation. Let me take note of my other major disappointment. I have been so greatly disappointed with the white church and its leadership. Of course, there are some notable exceptions. I am not unmindful of the fact that each of you has taken some significant stands on this issue. I commend you, Reverend Stallings, for your Christian stand on this past Sunday, in welcoming Negroes to your worship service on a nonsegregated basis. I commend the Catholic leaders of this state for integrating Spring Hill College several years ago.

[ReRe]

9. Ha...

... "...say many former Sanders supporters..." What are the names of those former supporters? The HRC supporters sure wish that was so, but it's not true. Reports like that just give the Bernie supporters added impetus to work harder. It sort of makes them shake their heads and chuckle.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

14. Shaking and chuckling doesn't change polls, numbers,

Delegates won, popular votes won, super delegates standing by the ready to reinforce the votes of the majority already cast...

But keep going with that shaking and chuckling ~

[ReRe]

25. Au contrare...

... we'ze diggin in our heels and workin harder as we shakin our heads and chucklin. All that extra hard work sure helps raise those polls, numbers and delegates.

[Surya Gayatri]

33. "Au contraIre"...please respect the French language if you choose to use it for effect.

[ReRe]

39. Whatever...

... took Spanish, Geman, Latin. But no French. Sorry I stepped on your language sensibilities.

[Surya Gayatri]

42. Must admit that "orthographe", whether in English or in French, is important to me.

It reveals the care for real communication of my interlocutor, IMHO.

[The Old Lie]

104. Except its mispelled

Au contraire is the correct phrase.

[livetohike]

16. When one answers with "I don't know" to numerous

questions they deserve scrutiny. An embarrassing interview for a Presidential candidate.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. St. Bern's been pedaling madly to try to repair the damage...but NYers are not dupes.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

19. New Yorker here...

We come out of the womb with one eyebrow raised...

[livetohike]

22. LOL. Love it! Pittsburghers too.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

24. Rockin' it in the NorthEast!

[Surya Gayatri]

35. Love that image! SO true! LOL! Don't give me no "BS"--I'm a New Yaawker!

[HillareeeHillaraah]

40. Skeptical is our birthright! nt

[NurseJackie]

38. Ha!! :-D

That's a good line! Very funny!

[brush]

56. I love that about New Yorkers.

Still can't believe Sanders came to the NYDN interview unprepared. Newspaper reporters actually ask tough questions and they follow up, unlike many TV talking heads who accept talking point, after talking point.

You have to ready to "bring it" in New York.

[uponit7771]

70. +1

[HillareeeHillaraah]

73. ...

[kaleckim]

112. You're all cheering on

a corrupt candidate, a person with a center-right record on economic issues (at best), and a hawkish foreign policy. Cheer on, few outside your relatively well off tribe are cheering along with you.

You all seem to think this is 1995 and there are no consequences for mocking the left. Go ahead, alienate the very people that will determine if she wins. No one will give a damn when you whine about her losing because of "ideological purity" and the fact that fewer people showed up to support her corrupt campaign when she needed them to. The Democrats are very close to losing the left entirely, and none of you give people on the left any reason to stay.

[livetohike]

21. No they aren't. They are down to Earth and let you know

exactly how it is. Loved living there. Felt at home. .

[uponit7771]

69. +1, he sounds petulant

[hobbit709]

23. I see the mutual self-congratulatory society is busy spraining their arms here.

Do you get a quantity discount on ibuprofen?

[DemocracyDirect]

27. They'll need to save some of that ibuprofen...

... for the headaches they'll have at the general if she wins the primary.

[Autumn]

55. Not enough ibuprofen in the world to help that.

[Puglover]

66. I wish I had the money

for thank you cards for each and every one of them when whatever scum sucking Repuke wins the general. Seriously.

And I WILL vote for the Democratic nominee. But I do not think she stands a chance.

Consecutive Executives

Since 1860 the Democrats have never put more than two consecutive presidents into the White House. The only times the Democrats have had two presidents in a row were when Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman served between 1933 and 1953, and when John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson were in office from 1961 to 1969.

And her unfavorable rating is beyond awful. Good luck.

[Autumn]

72. We will need all the luck we can get.

I don't think it will help a bit though.

[Puglover]

74. I HOPE I am wrong on this.

Really.

[Vattel]

26. keep pushing the bullshit

[Surya Gayatri]

30. You mean the BS BS? No, that's your province. Have at it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

31. It is not even creative bullshit.

A nag as lame as the candidate who lays them for this stuff.

[uponit7771]

71. Facts aren't bullshit

[Vinca]

34. You're a little slow aren't you? That was the slur du jour 2 weeks ago.

[Surya Gayatri]

37. Your guru Joe Scar just said it an hour ago. Hot off the screen...

[Vinca]

41. My guru? About once a year he says something I agree with.

But, apparently you're watching him this morning, so I'll take your word for it.

[pantsonfire]

36. Is this an onion thread?

[Betty Karlson]

43. MANY former Sanders supporters? Now there is a contradiction:

There are many Sanders supporters.

There are former Sanders supporters.

But there are not, and have never been, "many former" Sanders supporters abandoning Sanders just before yet another major win (and he will win NY, and probably a few more states).

[Surya Gayatri]

44. Take your quibble up with Joe Scar here:

http://www.msnbc.com/msn

The video clip should be available soon.

[Betty Karlson]

46. If it isn't available now, how can I take up any quibble?

And since when is Joe the final arbiter of all numbers pertaining to Sanders' support among voters? Give me a break.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. But, but, he was the "hero of the day" with Sanders's peeps just YESTERDAY,

when he was lauding St. Bern's YUUUGE crowds.

Same guy, different schtick. Go figure.

[Betty Karlson]

53. He may be a hero for doing the right thing, and next day do something stupid

because his corporate masters have voiced great displeasure with his performance?

[Skwmom]

45. Scarborough, the corporate who will do anything to earn his paycheck.

What a joke he is.

[Surya Gayatri]

48. But, but, his and Mika's oh-ing and aw-ing about St. Bern's

crowd-getting prowess was all the rage among Sanders peeps just yesterday.

Wha' happen?

[workinclasszero]

47. Bernie blew that interview bigtime!

[blm]

52. No one should put stock in ANYTHING said by Scarborough (R-Dead Intern).

He is a HIGHLY PAID OPERATIVE working furiously to undermine Democratic Party in order to make his party appear to be more stable.

[Baobab]

58. Hiiarious!

nt

[SidDithers]

61. DU rec...

Sid

[B Calm]

67. Trashing Thread

[RandySF]

76. K&R

[RandySF]

78. He's still a Republican troll

He trashed Obama throughout the 2008 primaries.

[CalvinballPro]

81. Any predictions on what new hipster trend will replace Bernie?

They've already done tattoos and beards; what's even left at this point?

[salinsky]

83. Jobs? ...

... just kidding.

[kaleckim]

115. Maybe not voting for your corrupt candidate of choice

since it means a further reduction in their own living standards. That'll probably be the new thing, not supporting more of the same and watching you people whine thereafter.

[polly7]

95. ........

[yourpaljoey]

107. Please serve up a side of Pipius Claw with that steaming pile of gagh entrails

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