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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:30 AM Apr 2016

Bernie's effective tax rate. Stop the dirty political games.

Bernie does not make MILLIONS in income. Thus, his effective tax rate should be no where near the Clintons who have been paid MILLIONS by their corporate buddies.

For instance, I know a couple who just filed. They have no dependents and make a little over 100k (though this is net of their health insurance premium which are not included in their AGI). With only deductions for:

1. Mortgage interest (on a regular house, not a McMansion)
2. Real Estate taxes
3. State taxes paid.

they have an effective tax rate of 9.5%.

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Bernie's effective tax rate. Stop the dirty political games. (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
I take a ton of deductions...no shame in that. bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #1
Wow, this is a lower tax rate than Romney, how is that? Maybe the complaining about Romney is Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2
Romney MAKES MILLIONS. So his effective tax rate should be a hell of a lot higher. Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
Income for Romney? Yes, I kinda understand income and capital gains and dividends. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #19
It kinda seems like you don't. frylock Apr 2016 #24
He makes a hell of a lot more than me and at 13.4% a hell of a lot less taxes for a socialist seabeyond Apr 2016 #3
That free stuff is an investment in America. Unlike the free stuff given to the politicians, their Skwmom Apr 2016 #5
yet, Sanders is not willing to invest? Just the rest of us. Gotcha. seabeyond Apr 2016 #11
good job on the s Autumn Apr 2016 #16
Do you really think he wants to raise your taxes? Xipe Totec Apr 2016 #9
Yes. seabeyond Apr 2016 #10
He wants to raise his taxes even more NWCorona Apr 2016 #13
If he is paying 13.4% then he had to purposely get them that low, which challenges that statement of seabeyond Apr 2016 #14
Do you mean he "purposely " did his taxes right? NWCorona Apr 2016 #15
I have trust fund millionaires in the family. I know what "right" is. Romney at 12% did "right" too seabeyond Apr 2016 #20
He said he did...why this question?! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #21
Time for Sanders to release all returns (nt) bigwillq Apr 2016 #6
What is Bernie's effective tax rate? DanTex Apr 2016 #7
Here's my beef: If the Sanders' made $2M in 7 years, Clinton's $139M. A 10% tax error is what? TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #8
I wonder what the Clintons actually paid as a percentage. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #12
all Bernie Tax Talk Is from the last email blast to the warriors; tries to deflect from transcripts amborin Apr 2016 #17
Effective Tax Rates KK9 Apr 2016 #18
His is a bit more because he has rental properties, but I still think this is much ado about nothing Fawke Em Apr 2016 #22
I paid over 16% Dem2 Apr 2016 #23

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
1. I take a ton of deductions...no shame in that.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

I live on a 10 acre farm so I take a land use deduction, I deduct all my real estate taxes & mortgage interest. I run a few small businesses from home so I write off those expenses plus the square footage I use for it, and my phone & internet.

If they're available take them. The less income you have, the more deductions you should be eligible for, unfortunately the system doesn't work that way. We need to change that.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Wow, this is a lower tax rate than Romney, how is that? Maybe the complaining about Romney is
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

not so bad after all.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
4. Romney MAKES MILLIONS. So his effective tax rate should be a hell of a lot higher.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

Tax rates include with income. You do realize that don't you?
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. He makes a hell of a lot more than me and at 13.4% a hell of a lot less taxes for a socialist
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

running on raising our taxes for the free stuff, when he doesn't pay. Not to mention the first two decades of adulthood with a job that paid into the system.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. That free stuff is an investment in America. Unlike the free stuff given to the politicians, their
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

family members, and big money backers who have fed at the public troughs for decades.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
9. Do you really think he wants to raise your taxes?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:58 AM
Apr 2016

Your personal taxes? You, who makes less than he does?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. If he is paying 13.4% then he had to purposely get them that low, which challenges that statement of
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

his.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. I have trust fund millionaires in the family. I know what "right" is. Romney at 12% did "right" too
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

Doesn't mean we did not speak out.

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
8. Here's my beef: If the Sanders' made $2M in 7 years, Clinton's $139M. A 10% tax error is what?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

.


$200,000 versus almost $14 Million.

Yet, people are worried about minutia that really doesn't add up to significance, in the scheme of things.


.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
12. I wonder what the Clintons actually paid as a percentage.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

And I mean if there was a clear and honest accounting, without tricks or hidden assets.

I can't imagine it being as high as 9.5%

After touting estate tax, Bill and Hillary Clinton seize on loopholes

Estate tax champions Bill and Hillary Clinton are doing just about everything in their power to stave off hefty estate taxes on their own personal fortune, according to Bloomberg News.

The report out Tuesday shows that the two heads of the political dynasty have been seizing on legal but slippery loopholes to minimize taxes on inherited wealth - maneuvers not atypical of multimillionaires but which will inevitably drum up cries of hypocrisy based on the Clintons' active support for the estate tax in the past.

Bloomberg cites county property records that show the Clintons divided ownership of their New York home into separate 50 percent shares, then placed those shares into trusts. The moves ensure that any growth in the house's value will occur outside their estate and that they can claim a discounted value for the home, which could save the Clintons hundreds of thousands in estate tax avoidance.

"The goal is really be thoughtful and try to build up the nontaxable estate, and that's really what this is," David Scott Sloan, a partner at Holland & Knight LLP in Boston, explained to Bloomberg. "You're creating things that are going to be on the nontaxable side of the balance sheet when they die."



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-touting-estate-tax-bill-and-hillary-clinton-seize-on-loopholes/

amborin

(16,631 posts)
17. all Bernie Tax Talk Is from the last email blast to the warriors; tries to deflect from transcripts
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

KK9

(81 posts)
18. Effective Tax Rates
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

For federal income tax in isolation, effective tax rates are pretty easy to determine. For 2014 1040 returns it is line 62 (total tax) divided by line 22 (total income). So:

Total Tax Total Income Rate
Clinton 9,981,350 28,336,212 35.22%
Sanders 27,653 205,617 13.45%
Kasich 74,543 402,603 18.52%
Cruz 442,701 1,210,382 36.58%
Romney (2011) 1,935,708 13,696,951 14.13%

Sorry for the formatting (or lack thereof). All for 2014, except for Romney. Trump has offered anything as far as tax returns go, so he's still a mystery.

All of them are in the appropriate ballpark for income level, except for Romney! Looks like Cruz could use a little help with tax planning, though.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
22. His is a bit more because he has rental properties, but I still think this is much ado about nothing
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Should he release his tax returns? Sure.

But the hypocrisy of the supporters of a candidate who takes millions from Wall Street speeches, hides her earnings in foundations, shell companies and other loopholes and refuses to release exactly what she told her Wall Street benefactors is richer than she is.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
23. I paid over 16%
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

That's a messed up example you gave, they must have a massive mortgage interest payment ($500k+ house?) and pay huge state and property taxes. No sympathy here.

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