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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:06 AM Apr 2016

A lot of truths about the Democratic Party have been exposed this election cycle.

And those truths portend disaster for the future of the Democratic Party.

I know life-long Democrats that are turning away from the party and plenty of young voters from families of life-long Democrats who are refusing to become Democrats. They support Bernie but they do not support the party because they view it as a corrupt cesspool that does not support the people. People see the maneuvering going on but I don't think it is going to work.


For example, http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lawmakers-call-for-federal-investigation-of-warren-buffetts-mobile-home-business/

Senior Democratic lawmakers want federal regulators to investigate Warren Buffett’s mobile-home company after a Seattle Times/BuzzFeed News report that found the company’s predatory practices have harmed minority communities.

Does anyone really think a damn thing would have been done if this wasn't an election year? Clinton is after all Warren Buffet's candidate of choice.

It is because the party is embracing Clinton that your normal political maneuvering is no longer effective and you don't even realize it. And such ploys show what your really think about the intelligence of the American People.

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PufPuf23

(8,791 posts)
1. As a longterm Democratic Party member, I would say in candidate for POTUS.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton was pre-determined to be Democratic POTUS nominee by Democrats already in office, the DNC, and those that "own" these institutions prior to the primary cycle.

Bernie Sanders has unexpectedly been more competition and increased the breadth of discussion but still is unlikely to displace Hillary Clinton as general election candidate.

The super-delegate system and DNC tilting the system in favor of Hillary Clinton (and also downstream incumbents) is not democratic and favors monied, entrenched interest.

Transformative change where more people actually benefit and have quality lives is not going to change until we change our party.

Folks for Hillary Clinton support the status quo and support the unfair division of wealth and power in our country.

The identity politics is a tool, the mirror image of the GOP, but still a tool to divide people and take the power of the vacuum.

PufPuf23

(8,791 posts)
5. and something many of us do not favor.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

Looks like Nixon-Rockefeller-Reagan GOP to me.

Its worse to quit and better placed to stay within the Party.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
7. Elect Bernie or we're all gonna die!!!111!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

I like Bernie a lot, but this alarmist bullcrap is so unhelpful.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
12. I see both parties going to hell
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

Republicans are way ahead of Democrats. Hillary may be the last of a dying generation of "old school" Democrats, and I'm fine with that. The "end is near" is simply hype for this cycle - it happens every time recently, the screaming just seems louder while the echo's are still in the air.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
8. Sanders is hated because he's not a crook. He won't accept bribes.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Thus, he is embarrassing the ones who take the money and say, "I have to take the money to compete with the crooks on the other side, and THEN I will push for reforms AFTER I take office.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
9. For what it's worth, I'm seeing the same thing.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

I will hold my nose and vote for H. Clinton in the general, if I must, just to keep a maniac from grabbing power (hopefully), but it likely will be my last vote for a national Democrat unless major changes occur (which is very unlikely).

Ya' know what pushed me over the edge? Seeing the chairperson of the DNC supporting payday lenders. I handed out bumper stickers and pamphlets for Hubert H.Humphrey but my days as a Democratic voter, at least on the national level, will likely be ending soon.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. Voting for a party label is like betting only on horses with pretty names.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016
Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently. Rosa Luxemburg

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."
Thomas Jefferson

elana i am

(814 posts)
13. the establishment dems must feel like bernie sanders opened a pandora's box
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

on them and all their dirty secrets are coming out.

a year ago i had more faith in the dem party than i do now. it's telling that the candidate that actually espouses the democratic ideals and has the history to back it up has a paucity of endorsements.

for me, bernie sanders has been the clarion call i needed to come to terms with the fact that the dem party is no longer where i feel like i belong.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
17. Since you don't want to change the Party from the inside...maybe you should create your own...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

...and don't feel obliged to hang around in the meantime.

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