Bernie will be in Rome, away from NY for "40 hours"

[Casandia]

according to MSNBC, taking away precious time to campaign. But, where will Hillary Clinton be while Bernie is in Vatican City?

Just wondering....

[onecaliberal]

1. How many hours has she spent off the trail raising money with rich benefactors?

He doesn't have to leave the campaign to raise money like she does.

[KittyWampus]

36. But somehow millions of dollars of illegal donations keep turning up in Sanders' campaign

funds. Month after month.

[berni_mccoy]

2. She'll be in California at a Mansion Raising $ to the tune of $325,000 a plate.

[islandmkl]

11. nah...just some lucky couples get to pony up $353,400 to sit at head table on the 15th...

the other tickets, and for Clooney's on the 16th, are at bargain basement price of $33,400...

of course, only $2700 per person can go to the campaign...the good old (well, not so old) Hillary Victory Fund, which should have a pyramid as its logo, gets the overage...

it ain't easy to go from zero to $150+million in only a few years....takes a lot of speechifying and hobnobbing and such...

[Punkingal]

3. They are pathetic...did they mention where Hillary will be?

[KittyWampus]

37. At least she doesn't have to LIE about being invited by the Pope to invent bogus foreign policy

credentials.

Or pretend to meet him.

[geek tragedy]

4. I'm glad he took my advice and decided to take 2 whole days off the campaign trail. nt

[SidDithers]

5. She'll be in California raising money for downticket Democrats...nt

Sid

[dogman]

15. You mean buying super-delegate votes?

[Demsrule86]

20. Down Ballot races are super important

Of course Bernie does not think so...he speaks and it will be done...I guess...who needs a house and a senate?

[dogman]

21. I guess if you just listen to Hillary lies, you will never know the truth.

If you listened to Bernie you would hear him say that he cannot do it by himself. He calls for holding your representation to a higher standard. You probably are also not aware that he is helping progressive candidates.

[Lucinda]

22. Can you share links to him helping progressive candidates? n/t

[dogman]

35. No, you too can search the internet.

I have heard his speeches saying this, and the voters Bernie is bringing into the process will benefit the down ticket. There are intangibles like making a good impression on Catholic voters that can help the Democratic Party with that constituency. Morality, integrity, and new voters beat milking the money machine and creating apathy.

[Lucinda]

38. I have looked and found nothing. That's why I asked. n/t

[dogman]

39. I guess you'll just have to listen to his speeches then.

Many times he has said he cannot do it alone, the people will have to do it from the ground up. He has sated that they will have to press their representation to accomplish their goals. Maybe some just need more explicit direction.

[Hortensis]

25. No, seriously. Helping downticket Democrats

get elected is extremely important. Our presidential candidates are de facto party leaders. If they're viable candidates, they are expected to offer "coattails" for downticket candidates to increase their appeal to voters and of also raising funds to help them get elected.

Hillary's been raising funds and speaking at events for downticket candidates all along, in addition to everything else. Nothing new here if she's at it this week also.

(I suspect one day of her life would prostate me. Even worse than bringing a new baby home at my age. I write this from our patio overlooking a marsh.)

[dogman]

44. Bernie knows this and says it.

Here is an excerpt from one of the e-mails he sent today.
"When I am elected president, I am going to need progressives in Congress who are willing to continue the fight we started in this campaign. Here are three:

Zephyr Teachout literally wrote the book on political corruption and is running for Congress in New York. Pramila Jayapal helped lead the fight for a $15 minimum wage and paid sick leave in Seattle, where she’s now running for Congress. Lucy Flores is a progressive champion running for Congress in Nevada and one of the most courageous people I’ve met on the campaign. I need them with me in Washington, D.C., and that’s why I have to ask:

Split a $50 contribution between Bernie 2016 and Lucy Flores, Zephyr Teachout, and Pramila Jayapal for Congress today and we are going to win this primary AND elect a Congress willing to stand up billionaire class of this country."
"In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders"

[Hortensis]

45. I hope all 3 win, but it is not nearly enough.

Sanders is running for president. There are 435 U.S.ongressional seats alone--all in play, 34 senatorial, 12 governorships in play, thousands of state legislature seats, God only knows how many judgeships, as well as mayors, DAs, sheriffs, et cetera.

I like all three of these candidates and hope they all win, but extremely notably they and the littlehandful of others with Bernie are all well to the left of the typical Democrat who needs assistance from the party's presidential-level candidates. Hillary is working like a dog for them, but what's Sanders doing for all the Democrats fighting to gain or keep office in this critical election? Bernie is earning no gratitude and deserves none. Remember that at the convention.

[dogman]

46. Bernie is one man. Where is he supposed to get this money to give them?

If you think Hillary should be buying them with corporate money, who do you think they will represent? You or the corporations?

[Hortensis]

47. From his supporters. Just like HRC is doing, from people

who give money to put people who share their goals and philosophy in government. You want those 3, right? Well so will some people who can give more, up to the legal limit. Bernie would ask well connected people in their districts to invite sympathetic people to someone's home, he would show up and talk to them about how wonderful these candidates are and ask for money and other commitments to elect them. Then he would excuse himself and take off for the next appearance on his schedule. He should also ask the crowds at every ralley.

But not for just a handful of particular favorites. Unthinkable as it was last April, we actually have a chance to get control of both houses of Congress, and Sanders will be criticized for being remiss if we do not take the Senate as we really should. He is not pulling his weight. He is not doing the job expected of a person in his position.

[dogman]

48. His supporters are the people, hers are the corporations.

You realize this is a David and Goliath situation, don't you? His speeches include the fact that he can not give the people what they want unless they engage from the ground up. You all are stuck in the mindset that money is the measure of a campaign, Bernie's revolution is to make people realize that they have the power of their vote. Votes can overcome money unless you sell them out for the interests of others.Hillary has been campaigning for President from before 2008, she has an entire wealthy establishment behind her. To expect a Senator from a small state to compete for money at that rate is ridiculous. He did not have the time to campaign for himself in every state and you expect him to do house parties. You are free to choose the corporate power over the people.

[Hortensis]

49. Dogma and doggeral, but to each his own.

Have a nice afternoon.

[lumberjack_jeff]

50. Yes, that. n/t

[ThePhilosopher04]

26. Bullshit

She's hemorrhaging money, she ain't giving shit to no down ballot Ds. Keep telling yourself that. Lol

[Kip Humphrey]

33. Hillary will be in California raising & spreading millions in corporate cash with which to corrupt &

buy Democratic politicians & their superdelegate votes. Last I knew, buying votes is a fine example of corruption... as is money laundering (See DNC, 33 State Democratic Committees & the Hillary Victory Fund).

[hellofromreddit]

34. Yeah, but only "real" democrats who toe the line

Not those stupid new democrats who weren't around before the secret arbitrary unspecified moving deadline(tm).

Those people can just fuck right off, eh?

[Dem2]

6. They both need a week of sleep

I have no idea how they do it. They got 20 years on me and I would be exhausted as hell.

[Codeine]

18. Seriously.

Half the country was dying from that stupid cold/respiratory infection thing last month and they both just kept powering through.

Thinking about it makes me want a nap.

[Kentonio]

30. Hell just reading this forum tires me out sometimes. They both deserve a stamina medal.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. He seems very presidential.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Plus he's a wind-up doll and you can send him to Rome and back no problem

In seriousness, he has shown incredible stamina this campaign for someone of any age, let alone 74. This is a brutal trip though. I don't understand why he's putting himself through it.

[astrophuss42]

12. I'll bet speaking at the Vatican

Is close to becoming pres on the ol bucket list.

[BeyondGeography]

17. It's an emotional choice

Speaking on a program with Correa and Morales is a plus for him, too, I'm sure. On a personal level, he will get more out of this trip than he would if he stayed on the campaign trail. I think even he will be surprised how much this trip takes out of him though.

[Kentonio]

31. It might actually help with New York, there are millions of Catholics in the state apparently.

[DesertRat]

32. Unfortunately, most of them are Republicans. nt

[onehandle]

9. Winning, still. nt

[hill2016]

10. wish him all the best!!!

take a week off!!! you deserve it!!!

[virtualobserver]

13. she'll be putting the fun back in fundraising!

[dchill]

29. She'll be putting the fund back, too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. For Hillary, fundraising IS campaigning, and vice-versa;

so yes, she will be "campaigning." In California, with George Clooney and other fat-walleted glitterati who can no more vote in the NY primary than the Pope can.

[Lucinda]

24. It's about raising money for the GE races. It's shocking that you've been here this long

and don't seem to understand the need for all of us to help Dems get elected.

[NorthCarolina]

16. She'll be in California hob-knobing with the affluent; her peers. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. She'll be conducting the important work of...

...accepting legal bribes.

[brooklynite]

28. ...which Sanders signed an agreement to raise as well?

[dogman]

40. Not really.

Sanders has agreed to hep the Party, not the Hillary Victory Fund.

[brooklynite]

42. You know that the Hillary Victory Fund ONLY gives $2700 per donor to Clinton?

That's the Federal limit. The rest is for the State Parties. Maybe you don't think they need support?

[dogman]

43. What do you think she buys the super-delegates with.

They need support. It is their choice where they accept money from. Do you really think the money is free? If the candidates followed Bernie's way, they would be increasing their voter base. Money from the people means you owe the people. What I think they need is a massive effort for campaign finance reform and end the selling of favors for campaign cash.

[geek tragedy]

23. Hillary will be campaigning in California, which is a state that

is part of this country, containing Americans who will vote in our primary election.

[brooklynite]

27. Where it is, she won't be off the trail for 40 hours...

[matt819]

41. Wow

I'm at the point where I like Hillary supporters here as much as I like republican nominee supporters. What nasty and petty people. Look folks, if Hillary is the nominee I think all dems should vote for her. Same with Bernie. But the childishness of the Hillary people here is gonna make that a challenge.