2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAfter Hillary Beats Bernie, She’ll Need Him
By William A. Galston
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Partys presidential nominee, and there is nothing that Sen. Bernie Sanders can do about it.
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As of today, Mrs. Clinton leads Mr. Sanders by 250 among delegates won in primaries and caucuses. She has received 2.4 million more popular votes than he has. A recent synthesis of exit polls shows that of 27 demographic categories, Mr. Sanders has the edge in three. Despite his recent winning streak, she has prevailed in more states, and his string of victories has narrowed her edge by only 79 delegates. Thats the good news for Mr. Sanders, and it is about to end. Between now and the end of April, Democrats will hold primaries in six statesNew York, Maryland, Connecticut, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island. Unless a late Sanders surge reverses Mrs. Clintons lead, she will win the majorityperhaps allof these states, and her lead among delegates and in the popular vote will expand significantly. By the end of April, she will have upward of 90% of the delegates she needs to claim the nomination.
The pace of the campaign slows significantly in May, with fewer than 200 delegates at stake. Unless Mr. Sanders wipes her out on June 7 in California and New Jerseyand there is no evidence that he willshe will end the nominating contest with more than enough delegates to claim victory, including a majority of delegates earned in primaries and caucuses as well as a margin of millions in the popular vote. So how exactly will the Sanders forces make the case that Mrs. Clintons nomination would violate the peoples will?
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Democrats who have been around the track a few times understand that while Mrs. Clinton has been subjected to unrelenting scrutiny for a quarter of a century, Mr. Sanderss record has been left virtually untouched. The Clinton campaign has been reluctant to antagonize voters whose support they will need in the general election, and Republicans are holding their fire in the vain hope that they will have the opportunity to run against Mr. Sanders in the fall.
The real question is how well Mrs. Clinton will do in November. The answer depends on a few things she can control and many more that she cannot. She can trywithin limitsto placate Mr. Sanderss backers at the nominating convention. She could decide to choose a populist-tinged figureOhio Sen. Sherrod Brown, for exampleas her running mate. If the Democrats emerge from their convention unified and energized, Mrs. Clintons fall prospects will riseall the more so if Mr. Sanders campaigns vigorously on her behalf.
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In most democracies, the head of government is separate from the head of state. In the U.S., they are fused in a single office. Our presidents are called on to perform both as prime ministers and as symbols of the nation. Rarely are they equally skilled at both tasks. Hillary Clinton has the qualities of a first-rate prime minister. At a time when the American people are yearning for an end to political dysfunction and a return to government that works effectively on their behalf, what she offers will probably be enough to prevail in November.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/after-hillary-beats-bernie-shell-need-him-1460502072
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
artislife
(9,497 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)The rest of it must be crap also.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)A month ago, it was "Let every state vote!" Now it's become "Only these 9 states matter!"
Nice predictable hypocrisy right there.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)it insults yours too.
Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #9)
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firebrand80
(2,760 posts)The recent calendar has had favorable Bernie states. Nothing has changed since Hillary won FL and OH.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Except Hillary lost a bunch of states and Sanders got a bunch of delegates.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)My point is that Sanders has won more states recently than Clinton did back then.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Weight the states Bernie has been winning by population and tell me it's a trend. As I said in another thread, it's like winning a game of poker with a $20 pot - satisfying as any victory, but that doesn't mean you're rich.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)#FeelTheMath
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)Bernie rocks!!!!!!!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)pissed of Democrats come the general election if Clinton is the nominee. While the truth is being withheld from the average Democratic Voters they no darn well the Democratic Establishment knew what was going on yet they continued to push for Clinton.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)Evidently hearing about them to the point of being proverbially sick of hearing about does not count as unrelenting scrutiny.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)No ratf**king to see here: move along, citizen.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)the delegate count right.
That's their job...and they fucked it up in the first couple of sentences.
Shitty reporters that can't do their job and be accurate on numbers...fucking useless.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)What total BullSh*t.
thank God when Bernie wins NY we can put all of this behind us.
Another day, another Hillary supporter throwing some outrageous nonsense in your face, just to be in your face.
question everything
(47,486 posts)But, as you say, after NY this will be behind us.
And you know why? Because like Sanders himself, most of his voters are not even Democrats but whey were allowed to vote in the Democratic party.
Not in NY and not in PA. So, hope the Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny provided enough comfort for you you. You will need some of this.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Oh please... not this malarky ...AGAIN.
Does this mean I can repeat: "Most of Hillary's supporters are uninformed or voting for foolish reasons like gender"?
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Just because YOU think she is. We ARE Democrats, you and Hillary just lost your way. The nerve of you clowns telling us we're not Dem's because we want Bernie over a known LIAR and Wall Street Queen is laughable.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)More and more, I feel the death of the Democratic and Republican parties cannot come soon enough.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)I'm talking about supporting other Democrats in other races ... in that sense, BS has been an island.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Hill is supporting other DINOs and that isn't good enough for me.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)I've had to set the record straight against creative and non-factual history.
I appreciate Secretary Clinton's work raising funds to push back against the Republicans and to build general funds for the national and state parties. She realizes she can't do it alone and that it requires a village of Democrats, new rising stars and established candidates .
artislife
(9,497 posts)Frack if I know why she doesn't, but her actions speak loudly.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)How many countries did she help export fracking to?
She must not care about this planet.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Going behind Obama's back? Is that when? Hillary is only in this for herself. She used NY to get into place for President. Then she used Obama for SoS. And now she leaves his legacy in limbo over her scandals. A real team player she is.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Secretary Clinton has been a yuuuge team player and still is today ... raising millions of dollars to help support other candidates for office.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)she can retire to one of her ritzy homes & like Uncle Scrooge take a dive into her swimming pool full of money.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... they're very reasonable and rational people who happen to prefer Bernie, but who also understand that it's more important to defeat the GOP rather than to burn down the house in order to get some sort of revenge and personal satisfaction.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(Like that scene in the movie "Scanners", perhaps?)
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)He can support her till the cows come home. He HAS to say nice things, we don't. She still won't win. Bernie is only doing what is expected if you lose, that's all. I really doubt he'll do anything much for her. If he does, that's his business. I hope he helps put her behind bars. Him and Elizabeth Warren. Heads will explode, just like Scanners.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)When even my high-school age son comes home talking about how to get Bernie to run for a third party and asking me how that would work because everyone is talking about it, you know you've lost the youth vote.
Sorry. She might get 70-80 percent of old-time Democrats, but she's lost Independents and Millennials already.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And Hillary and her supporters' attitudes play a role in that.
I suggest you start reading #BernieOrBust or #BernieOrJill and see how pervasive it is.
artislife
(9,497 posts)And my number one issue is Climate Change. I don't think hillary cuts the smell test on that one.
peace13
(11,076 posts)How about we all police ourselves and talk about something real and helpful to the situation.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I hope he does run a third party. If he can get the support from the youth, he just might be able to do it. I'll vote for him no matter what he chooses to do, and I'm sure there are a lot of us.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Why would you want him to
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511708823#post2
You believe him to be the most patently dishonest man you have seen run for President. You guys wouldn't need that would you?
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)"Is Bernie Sanders honest?"
and
"Would Bernie Sander's support make it more likely that Clinton beats the Republican nominee?"
are two wholly unrelated questions.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)from such a patently dishonest man, whose supporters they find equally odious. So I guess those people will be good enough when needed. Got it.
We'll see how that goes.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The future of the USA is at stake; it's far too important to stick one's nose in the air and say "I don't want your vote because you smell".
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)There will definitely need to be a healing period. DU is not the world, but there has been a lot of damage done in this campaign.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)But I get your point
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)The shredding will be fierce
haikugal
(6,476 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)it seems she will be looking for support. The DNC and DWS can manipulate the primaries but the general is harder -- maybe??!! Sanders has been in politics for 32 years and has had no scrutiny??!! I love it all. I expect her to get the nomination and I expect her to win. And she has already antagonized me. I see no reluctance! Holding their fire? OK if you say so. clinton is mean and perhaps she has held back. Perhaps she is saving it for Trump or cruz. I will not be watching the general.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)We're not losing for one thing. And another, we won't be there IF Hillary Riding Coattails is the nominee. I will NOT support those who stole our chance. Fuck that shit. And I will enjoy seeing her lose AGAIN!!!!!!
jillan
(39,451 posts)kentuck
(111,101 posts)Get real.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Good luck with that.
beaglelover
(3,486 posts)I LOVE this thread primarily because if pisses off the BernieBros!!!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Yeah, that's the ticket...
randome
(34,845 posts)To be honest, it often sounds like some are determined to be unhappy. Either of our candidates will make a fine President.
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whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)She is unworthy of my support.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Time will tell how this works out. The fallout from the primary will be for each candidate to own. The voter will always have the final say, if the process is true and honest.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)No Sale.