Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

question everything

(47,486 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:54 AM Apr 2016

After Hillary Beats Bernie, She’ll Need Him

By William A. Galston

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, and there is nothing that Sen. Bernie Sanders can do about it.

(snip)

As of today, Mrs. Clinton leads Mr. Sanders by 250 among delegates won in primaries and caucuses. She has received 2.4 million more popular votes than he has. A recent synthesis of exit polls shows that of 27 demographic categories, Mr. Sanders has the edge in three. Despite his recent winning streak, she has prevailed in more states, and his string of victories has narrowed her edge by only 79 delegates. That’s the good news for Mr. Sanders, and it is about to end. Between now and the end of April, Democrats will hold primaries in six states—New York, Maryland, Connecticut, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island. Unless a late Sanders surge reverses Mrs. Clinton’s lead, she will win the majority—perhaps all—of these states, and her lead among delegates and in the popular vote will expand significantly. By the end of April, she will have upward of 90% of the delegates she needs to claim the nomination.

The pace of the campaign slows significantly in May, with fewer than 200 delegates at stake. Unless Mr. Sanders wipes her out on June 7 in California and New Jersey—and there is no evidence that he will—she will end the nominating contest with more than enough delegates to claim victory, including a majority of delegates earned in primaries and caucuses as well as a margin of millions in the popular vote. So how exactly will the Sanders forces make the case that Mrs. Clinton’s nomination would violate the people’s will?

(snip)

Democrats who have been around the track a few times understand that while Mrs. Clinton has been subjected to unrelenting scrutiny for a quarter of a century, Mr. Sanders’s record has been left virtually untouched. The Clinton campaign has been reluctant to antagonize voters whose support they will need in the general election, and Republicans are holding their fire in the vain hope that they will have the opportunity to run against Mr. Sanders in the fall.

The real question is how well Mrs. Clinton will do in November. The answer depends on a few things she can control and many more that she cannot. She can try—within limits—to placate Mr. Sanders’s backers at the nominating convention. She could decide to choose a populist-tinged figure—Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, for example—as her running mate. If the Democrats emerge from their convention unified and energized, Mrs. Clinton’s fall prospects will rise—all the more so if Mr. Sanders campaigns vigorously on her behalf.

(snip)

In most democracies, the head of government is separate from the head of state. In the U.S., they are fused in a single office. Our presidents are called on to perform both as prime ministers and as symbols of the nation. Rarely are they equally skilled at both tasks. Hillary Clinton has the qualities of a first-rate prime minister. At a time when the American people are yearning for an end to political dysfunction and a return to government that works effectively on their behalf, what she offers will probably be enough to prevail in November.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/after-hillary-beats-bernie-shell-need-him-1460502072

72 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
After Hillary Beats Bernie, She’ll Need Him (Original Post) question everything Apr 2016 OP
And us too. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #1
Most of us won't be there. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #23
Amen to that. Myrina Apr 2016 #33
She won't be believed by those whose eyes are open. nt artislife Apr 2016 #38
She represents the very things I despise. floriduck Apr 2016 #61
Impressed they don't even know the stats of the primary race. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #2
Murdoch newspaper says something. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #3
Why would we even assume she will beat him? she's lost 8 out of the last 9 primaries. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #4
That's one crutch you're not going to be able to rely on much longer. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #6
I'm pointing out a trend. This kind of spin insults not just my intelligence, Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #11
The only "trend" is that firebrand80 Apr 2016 #16
Nothing has changed since Hillary won FL and OH. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #29
He's actually lost ground since FL and OH nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #37
And the early calander had Hillry-tilted states. What's your point? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #71
It's not a trend anigbrowl Apr 2016 #49
Because se has more than 200 PDs than he does, and is ahead by 2.5 million votes? lunamagica Apr 2016 #62
Apples and oranges: caucuses and primaries do not yield equal numbers of votes. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #72
Counting chickens a bit early here. KPN Apr 2016 #5
Unrelenting scrutiny? The Corp media is SILENT on the Clintons. There are going to be some majorly Skwmom Apr 2016 #7
I must be the only Bernie voter, who just like Bernie, is tired of hearing about the damn emails. LonePirate Apr 2016 #18
The Clinton Cult Loves Rupert Murdoch! & KKKarl Rove TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #8
This reporter doesn't even have... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #10
With some of the threads I have seen hidden, shouldn't this be one of them? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #12
Nice dreams question everything Apr 2016 #22
Because like Sanders himself, most of his voters are not even Democrats AlbertCat Apr 2016 #32
Hillary is NO Democrat Politicalboi Apr 2016 #43
Except BS has never been a team player for Democrats before ... why should we expect it now? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #13
Except for all those bills he supported in the Senate artislife Apr 2016 #39
That's not what I'm talking about, but you probably know that already SFnomad Apr 2016 #58
Actually, there is a thread disputing this. artislife Apr 2016 #65
Not surprising a thread disputes this, BS cheerleaders do try to rewrite history ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #66
I give a frack about this planet. She doesn't. artislife Apr 2016 #67
And then we get steaming piles like this ... buh bye ... n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #68
It is only true. artislife Apr 2016 #69
When was Hillary a team player? Politicalboi Apr 2016 #44
LOL ... you sound just like the Republicans SFnomad Apr 2016 #59
After Bernie Beats Hillary Merryland Apr 2016 #14
I have no doubt he will fall in line, as will most of his supporters. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #15
Exactly ... the Bernie fans that I know in real life are NOTHING AT ALL like the ones here ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #19
Just wait until he starts to vigorously campaign for her. Heads here will explode! nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #20
I'm looking forward to that! It will be quite a sight to behold! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #21
That ain't gonna happen Politicalboi Apr 2016 #46
No. They won't. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #24
Bernie will fall in line, as will most of his supporters. Fuck the rest. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #26
No. Again. They won't. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #31
I believe in voting For something rather than against artislife Apr 2016 #42
I'm certain that I got a hide for less than this. peace13 Apr 2016 #56
Great News Politicalboi Apr 2016 #48
That's cute SheenaR Apr 2016 #25
Not up to me. All I know is that he will fall in line. I don't like him, but he will. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #28
That is not logical, captain. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #35
Why would that OP want support SheenaR Apr 2016 #36
Hell yes. A vote is a vote is a vote. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #41
I understand SheenaR Apr 2016 #47
Hillary has already beaten Bernie Renew Deal Apr 2016 #17
She will DESPERATELY need him if that happens. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #27
Hill has absolutely zero chance of besting Trump yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #54
Bernie is going to beat a tattoo on her...no way she wins. nt haikugal Apr 2016 #30
Given the lack of enthusiasm for her, oldandhappy Apr 2016 #34
Such Bullshit Politicalboi Apr 2016 #40
Since he runs a cult why would she? jillan Apr 2016 #45
But Bernie will not need Hillary supporters? kentuck Apr 2016 #50
She'll also need to figure out how to make the majority of general election voters trust her DefenseLawyer Apr 2016 #51
HUGE K&R!!! beaglelover Apr 2016 #52
"Placate" us with faux progressive bs and/or a token liberal running mate whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #53
So Sanders is the only 'true' progressive and has no short-comings? randome Apr 2016 #55
Me and Hillary live on different planets whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #57
This entire OP has transitioned into something very unbecoming of DU. peace13 Apr 2016 #60
I will vote against Trump Marrah_G Apr 2016 #63
Poor Hillary, she has to try and mollify us into holding our noses. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #64
In that case, I have to learn how to research....fast. n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #70
 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
6. That's one crutch you're not going to be able to rely on much longer.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

A month ago, it was "Let every state vote!" Now it's become "Only these 9 states matter!"

Nice predictable hypocrisy right there.

Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #9)

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
16. The only "trend" is that
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

The recent calendar has had favorable Bernie states. Nothing has changed since Hillary won FL and OH.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
29. Nothing has changed since Hillary won FL and OH.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

Except Hillary lost a bunch of states and Sanders got a bunch of delegates.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
71. And the early calander had Hillry-tilted states. What's your point?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:16 AM
Apr 2016

My point is that Sanders has won more states recently than Clinton did back then.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
49. It's not a trend
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

Weight the states Bernie has been winning by population and tell me it's a trend. As I said in another thread, it's like winning a game of poker with a $20 pot - satisfying as any victory, but that doesn't mean you're rich.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
7. Unrelenting scrutiny? The Corp media is SILENT on the Clintons. There are going to be some majorly
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

pissed of Democrats come the general election if Clinton is the nominee. While the truth is being withheld from the average Democratic Voters they no darn well the Democratic Establishment knew what was going on yet they continued to push for Clinton.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
18. I must be the only Bernie voter, who just like Bernie, is tired of hearing about the damn emails.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

Evidently hearing about them to the point of being proverbially sick of hearing about does not count as unrelenting scrutiny.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
10. This reporter doesn't even have...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Apr 2016

the delegate count right.

That's their job...and they fucked it up in the first couple of sentences.

Shitty reporters that can't do their job and be accurate on numbers...fucking useless.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
12. With some of the threads I have seen hidden, shouldn't this be one of them?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

What total BullSh*t.
thank God when Bernie wins NY we can put all of this behind us.

Another day, another Hillary supporter throwing some outrageous nonsense in your face, just to be in your face.

question everything

(47,486 posts)
22. Nice dreams
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016

But, as you say, after NY this will be behind us.

And you know why? Because like Sanders himself, most of his voters are not even Democrats but whey were allowed to vote in the Democratic party.

Not in NY and not in PA. So, hope the Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny provided enough comfort for you you. You will need some of this.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
32. Because like Sanders himself, most of his voters are not even Democrats
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

Oh please... not this malarky ...AGAIN.

Does this mean I can repeat: "Most of Hillary's supporters are uninformed or voting for foolish reasons like gender"?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
43. Hillary is NO Democrat
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

Just because YOU think she is. We ARE Democrats, you and Hillary just lost your way. The nerve of you clowns telling us we're not Dem's because we want Bernie over a known LIAR and Wall Street Queen is laughable.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
39. Except for all those bills he supported in the Senate
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

More and more, I feel the death of the Democratic and Republican parties cannot come soon enough.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
58. That's not what I'm talking about, but you probably know that already
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

I'm talking about supporting other Democrats in other races ... in that sense, BS has been an island.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
65. Actually, there is a thread disputing this.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016

Hill is supporting other DINOs and that isn't good enough for me.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
66. Not surprising a thread disputes this, BS cheerleaders do try to rewrite history ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Apr 2016

I've had to set the record straight against creative and non-factual history.

I appreciate Secretary Clinton's work raising funds to push back against the Republicans and to build general funds for the national and state parties. She realizes she can't do it alone and that it requires a village of Democrats, new rising stars and established candidates .

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
67. I give a frack about this planet. She doesn't.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

Frack if I know why she doesn't, but her actions speak loudly.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
69. It is only true.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

How many countries did she help export fracking to?

She must not care about this planet.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
44. When was Hillary a team player?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

Going behind Obama's back? Is that when? Hillary is only in this for herself. She used NY to get into place for President. Then she used Obama for SoS. And now she leaves his legacy in limbo over her scandals. A real team player she is.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
59. LOL ... you sound just like the Republicans
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

Secretary Clinton has been a yuuuge team player and still is today ... raising millions of dollars to help support other candidates for office.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
14. After Bernie Beats Hillary
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

she can retire to one of her ritzy homes & like Uncle Scrooge take a dive into her swimming pool full of money.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Exactly ... the Bernie fans that I know in real life are NOTHING AT ALL like the ones here ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

... they're very reasonable and rational people who happen to prefer Bernie, but who also understand that it's more important to defeat the GOP rather than to burn down the house in order to get some sort of revenge and personal satisfaction.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. I'm looking forward to that! It will be quite a sight to behold!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

(Like that scene in the movie "Scanners", perhaps?)

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
46. That ain't gonna happen
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

He can support her till the cows come home. He HAS to say nice things, we don't. She still won't win. Bernie is only doing what is expected if you lose, that's all. I really doubt he'll do anything much for her. If he does, that's his business. I hope he helps put her behind bars. Him and Elizabeth Warren. Heads will explode, just like Scanners.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
24. No. They won't.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

When even my high-school age son comes home talking about how to get Bernie to run for a third party and asking me how that would work because everyone is talking about it, you know you've lost the youth vote.

Sorry. She might get 70-80 percent of old-time Democrats, but she's lost Independents and Millennials already.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
31. No. Again. They won't.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

And Hillary and her supporters' attitudes play a role in that.

I suggest you start reading #BernieOrBust or #BernieOrJill and see how pervasive it is.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
42. I believe in voting For something rather than against
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

And my number one issue is Climate Change. I don't think hillary cuts the smell test on that one.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
56. I'm certain that I got a hide for less than this.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

How about we all police ourselves and talk about something real and helpful to the situation.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
48. Great News
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

I hope he does run a third party. If he can get the support from the youth, he just might be able to do it. I'll vote for him no matter what he chooses to do, and I'm sure there are a lot of us.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
25. That's cute
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

Why would you want him to

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511708823#post2

You believe him to be the most patently dishonest man you have seen run for President. You guys wouldn't need that would you?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
35. That is not logical, captain.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:04 PM
Apr 2016

"Is Bernie Sanders honest?"

and

"Would Bernie Sander's support make it more likely that Clinton beats the Republican nominee?"

are two wholly unrelated questions.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
36. Why would that OP want support
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:06 PM
Apr 2016

from such a patently dishonest man, whose supporters they find equally odious. So I guess those people will be good enough when needed. Got it.

We'll see how that goes.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
41. Hell yes. A vote is a vote is a vote.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

The future of the USA is at stake; it's far too important to stick one's nose in the air and say "I don't want your vote because you smell".

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
47. I understand
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

There will definitely need to be a healing period. DU is not the world, but there has been a lot of damage done in this campaign.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
34. Given the lack of enthusiasm for her,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

it seems she will be looking for support. The DNC and DWS can manipulate the primaries but the general is harder -- maybe??!! Sanders has been in politics for 32 years and has had no scrutiny??!! I love it all. I expect her to get the nomination and I expect her to win. And she has already antagonized me. I see no reluctance! Holding their fire? OK if you say so. clinton is mean and perhaps she has held back. Perhaps she is saving it for Trump or cruz. I will not be watching the general.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
40. Such Bullshit
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

We're not losing for one thing. And another, we won't be there IF Hillary Riding Coattails is the nominee. I will NOT support those who stole our chance. Fuck that shit. And I will enjoy seeing her lose AGAIN!!!!!!

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
51. She'll also need to figure out how to make the majority of general election voters trust her
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

Good luck with that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
55. So Sanders is the only 'true' progressive and has no short-comings?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

To be honest, it often sounds like some are determined to be unhappy. Either of our candidates will make a fine President.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
60. This entire OP has transitioned into something very unbecoming of DU.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

Time will tell how this works out. The fallout from the primary will be for each candidate to own. The voter will always have the final say, if the process is true and honest.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»After Hillary Beats Berni...