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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:06 PM Apr 2016

People can get really pissed off when they feel like the truth has been withheld from them.

So if Clinton is the nominee expect a lot of pissed off Democrats and Independents in the fall.

People, unlike political operatives and those that feed our corrupt system (e.g., corporate media hacks) do not like to be put in the position of trying to defend what they consider indefensible.

The Democratic Establishment is making a HUGE error in assuming that regular Americans view things the way they do.

When those fact ads hit it is not going to be pretty....



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People can get really pissed off when they feel like the truth has been withheld from them. (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
Where are your returns Sanders? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #1
Anything in those tax returns can't begin to compete with all of the Clinton baggage. Skwmom Apr 2016 #2
Ain't that the effin' truth... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #3
When the voters find out her baggage, especially the women voters, you will see her numbers plummet. Skwmom Apr 2016 #40
Where are Clinton's paid speech transcripts? nt. Autumn Apr 2016 #7
I'm not sure. I don't have them. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #13
I want those transcripts more than I want Bernie tax records. Int. Autumn Apr 2016 #15
I know you do. Fact is, we are going to get Sanders taxes. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #19
Looks like you know all about his income. Too bad we don't know what Clinton promised GS. nt. Autumn Apr 2016 #32
I know very little about his income. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #33
You know more about Bernie's income than we know about Clinton's promises to GS. Autumn Apr 2016 #35
and the assumption that we'll forget it about it & pull the lever Merryland Apr 2016 #4
I laughed out loud. I see a lot of disgusted people refusing to vote in this election. Skwmom Apr 2016 #6
I'll vote. DookDook Apr 2016 #24
There's nothing really funny about it. Cursive Apr 2016 #38
Ever hear the saying - if I didn't laugh I would cry? Skwmom Apr 2016 #39
So the GOP can count on YOU to help them... Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #26
Sorry. That ain't going to fly this year. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #30
So politically unaware you are. Nothing left to lose, what an absurd comment. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #34
Sorry, I have heard that way too often nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #36
I can't wait to see the justifications when Bernie works his ass off to get Clinton elected. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #5
If your candidate loses the primary, they lose the primary. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #8
If it were fair and square a win Merryland Apr 2016 #10
Everyone knew the rules going into this. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16
It is not an angry threat. It is a wake the heck up and smell the coffee. Ignoring it will NOT Skwmom Apr 2016 #11
I'm not ignoring the angry threats (and that is what they are) ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #17
Comparing the PUMAs to pissed off people who had the truth withheld is like comparing grapefruits Skwmom Apr 2016 #20
Its the exact same thing ... "if my candidate does not win the primary ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #23
The genie is out of the bottle, nothing will ever be the same. Avalux Apr 2016 #9
We cannot unlearn what they've taught us. It's done. nt haikugal Apr 2016 #14
The Party Old Codger Apr 2016 #25
And come Nov 2 most of the angry "revolutionaries" COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #37
Nope. It's different this time. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #41
Will they stomp their feet and hold their breath?...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #12
They'll say we need a President Trump so he can destroy the country ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #18
What gets to me are the pointless and harmful blatant lies: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #21
No lies are needed. Just the FACTS are more than enough. Skwmom Apr 2016 #22
Bookmark this: Expect an audio recording of the Clinton bankster speeches to be an october ad. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #27
To quote someone I've had on my ignore list for the past two months, VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #28
This is where we Bernie supporters jump the shark WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #29
Whichever of our candidates has fewer votes and pledged delegates should lose. pampango Apr 2016 #31

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
40. When the voters find out her baggage, especially the women voters, you will see her numbers plummet.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

People keep asking how can Clinton supporters be okay with this or that. The answer is they won't be once they find out about this and that.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. I know you do. Fact is, we are going to get Sanders taxes.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

We aren't going to get the GS speeches unless she decides to release them after the convention. I think it is a really good move by Clinton. Sanders wins by staying on message. He left message over a month ago and his surrogates abandoned message even longer ago. The GS thing is just a distraction that doesn't hurt her. It won't be the same as finding out why Sanders paid half of the percentage in taxes with respect to what he made than I did, why he makes three times more than me yet gives less to charity, and what all of these deductions are for. Going to be fun.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
33. I know very little about his income.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

I would like to know how he pays less than half in taxes as a percentage compared to me. Or why he finds himself to be in such a position to give less to charity than me. I don't make close to what he does.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
35. You know more about Bernie's income than we know about Clinton's promises to GS.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you just need a new CPA or a different version of turbo tax. Here's a pat on the back for your charity donations.

DookDook

(166 posts)
24. I'll vote.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

I just won't vote for a Republican or a Republican-light candidate, nor will I vote for a candidate that supports capital punishment or thinks that abortion is something that can be negotiated. I'll vote for a true progressive. I just hope that the candidate that I can vote for has a D next to their name.


Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
30. Sorry. That ain't going to fly this year.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

We're no longer scared. We have nothing left to lose.

SCOTUS? Obama's already nominated a center-right guy in Garland. Looks like it's going to be a pro-corporate justice no matter who wins.

Abortion? Hillary's willing to put that on the table, so that's not a differentiater.

LGBT rights? That genie is out of the bottle and not going anywhere. Corporations don't care who we marry or if we have abortions and the heads of many of them will boycott states that do this shit, like we're seeing in North Carolina and Mississippi.

Until and unless the Democratic Party tackles income inequality, climate change, fracking, low pay, raising the Social Security tax cap instead of cutting or means-testing like Hillary wants to do and stop taking money from the elite, many of its former members may move to third parties. The fundamental reasons for voting for Democrats have gone.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. Sorry, I have heard that way too often
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

In the field to dismiss it as a few uninformed idiots online. Here is the truth cupcake, from both sides. People are pissed, and they know the system is rigged.

Kennedy once spoke about revolution. You might want to go look up that quote. It increasingly applies. Things like the Panama Papers are just confirmation of the level of corruption and the beginnings of an American Kleptocracy. Sorry for the 1 dollar word there.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. If your candidate loses the primary, they lose the primary.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

That's how elections work.

And angry threats are not going to change that reality.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
10. If it were fair and square a win
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

but this primary season reeks of cheating and corruption - and not from Bernie. This is not an angry threat. It's inevitable.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
16. Everyone knew the rules going into this.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

If you have actual evidence of election fraud or election theft ... bring it forward.

And I said ACTUAL EVIDENCE ... not anecdotes, not innuendo.

The reason Bernie is losing is because his supporters sat on their asses since Obama took office and did NOTHING to develop a slate of more progressive alternatives to Hillary during those years.

In fact, Bernie wasn't even the first choice of the perpetually disgruntled. The "movement" wanted Warren but she didn't want the job. So, in the end, Bernie stepped in and said "Ok, I guess I'll do it."

The angriest of Bernie's supporters (a small but loud minority of his supporters) spent the last 8 years complaining about Obama.

They should have been doing the hard work of developing candidates they'd consider acceptably progressive and getting those people exposure nationally.

That's how you win elections.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
11. It is not an angry threat. It is a wake the heck up and smell the coffee. Ignoring it will NOT
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

change it.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
17. I'm not ignoring the angry threats (and that is what they are) ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

... I'm simply telling you that, much like the PUMA movement in 2008, its a useless, impotent rage, pushed by a small minority, that will not impact 2016's general election.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
20. Comparing the PUMAs to pissed off people who had the truth withheld is like comparing grapefruits
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

and apples. It is not the same thing. And once again, Clinton is NO Obama who had did not have the Clinton piles of baggage.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. Its the exact same thing ... "if my candidate does not win the primary ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

... the election was stolen ... and I'm not voting for the eventual nominee."

You can try to spin it however you want.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
9. The genie is out of the bottle, nothing will ever be the same.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

The status quo is desperately trying to ignore and/or downplay the growing wave of people who are waking up. Hillary Inc. says that she'll worry about uniting the party later; her buddies think the same thing.

There is no later for her or them - we are not going back to sleep. The tsunami is coming.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
25. The Party
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

As it has been known for a while is no more, the schism is beyond repair given the "leadership" that exists today. If clinton gets the nomination there are going to be a large amount of them standing there with their mouths agape wondering what the hell hit them...there may very well be a third party candidate, I doubt that Bernie will do that but there may be some who will try to run him as a write in anyway.. The real problem is that may very well leave the house and senate in charge of choosing our next president..

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
37. And come Nov 2 most of the angry "revolutionaries"
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

will drag themselves to the polls and vote, and then go back to home, couch and TV until 2020.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
18. They'll say we need a President Trump so he can destroy the country ...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

... so that "the people" will wake up, and the revolution can finally start.

That's my bet.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
28. To quote someone I've had on my ignore list for the past two months,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

"They'll get in line".

When Hell freezes over, buddy. When Hell freezes over, cats and dogs rain out of the sky, and the Browns win the Super Bowl.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
29. This is where we Bernie supporters jump the shark
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:06 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats are saying, "Today, we want more of the same" 52%-48. Based on Bernie's movement, however, I think a floundering Clinton admin (she's doomed) will reverse those numbers within a year, and come 2020, she's in for a world of hurt.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
31. Whichever of our candidates has fewer votes and pledged delegates should lose.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

If this person were to be handed the nomination by the party establishment (super-delegates) his or her supporters would have every right to be royally pissed.

The primary has two months to go. As a Bernie supporter I hope he wins a majority of the popular vote and pledged delegates before it is over. If he does and the party establishment hands the nomination to Hillary I will be royally pissed. If Hillary wins a majority of the popular vote and pledged delegates, I will be disappointed. I'm sure her supporters would be royally pissed if the establishment handed the nomination to Bernie.

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