2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Donor CONFIRMS Use Of White-Noise Machine At Secretive High $$ Colorado Fundraiser!
http://gawker.com/clinton-donor-confirms-presence-of-static-noise-machine-1770511652from the link:
Last week, a local Denver journalist named Stan Bush reported that Hillary Clintons campaign appeared to be using a hidden static noise machine to prevent reporters and other passerby from hearing the candidates stump speech at an outdoor fundraiser held at the private residence of Colorados governor, John Hickenlooper. The general allegation hung in odd kind of limbo, however, since Bush managed to record the machines (inherently indiscriminate) sound but was unable to photograph the actual device, while Clintons press shop ignored reporters attempts to confirm the machines existence. Meanwhile, the underlying question went unanswered: Why was Clinton using a static noise machine in the first place?
more @ link...
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Sometimes you say really rude things to other people. It isn't cute.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You've been here LESS THAN A MONTH, you have over 1600 mostly disruptive and anti-Clinton posts, and you act like you own the damn road.
Yeah--let's talk about you for a change, shall we?
Do you like it when the shoe is on the other foot?
How long will you be hanging around once your work is done, I wonder? I suspect that once Sanders drops out, you will, too.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Like I said...sweetness and light....this is just the last couple of days....there's so much more, and it's all ugly, nasty and negative.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=354020
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1700120
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1698592
But here's the bottom line about you, that tells me you don't care one bit about the Democratic Party or the future of our country--in your OWN WORDS:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1698127
If a miracle happened and Sanders won the nomination, I would be disappointed, but I'd vote for him. That's how adults approach this shit.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1682850
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511680099
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1672892
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511670949
This is you. Making personal, insulting, appearance-based remarks.
We see you.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)And here are lots of pro-Bernie posts with nothing about Hillary in them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511720732
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511718407
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511718116
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511717885
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511716282
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511715082
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511714498
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511714341
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511714281
And here are some you can't see since you are banned from the Sanders group:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280172131
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280171985
So bug off... If you don't like my posts add me to ignore.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You've said many ugly things. Own them, at least.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)That's a bit creepy, calling someone out for their past posts, searching for links, finding them, reading them and posting them in a reply.
Weird.
And you have the gall to lecture this person about "how adults" approach things and behave?
This is uber over the top.
Is there any way that you could switch to decaf?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Speaking of stalking, you're the one who seems to approach me OFTEN. Like you're doing now. You like to get into dust-ups with me, and when I give it back to you, you whine about it.
You follow me around like a lost kitten. Here you are, yet again!!!
Yeah...WEIRD. Your word.
I think you're the one that needs the decaf, "Coffee Cat."
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)You have:
Number of posts, last 90 days: 4416
Which is similar in post rate as me... This makes no sense to come at me for how much I post... I don't give one iota about post counts I respond to posts I find interesting or make snarky comments to ones I find absure like all those VaticanGate posts.
MADem
(135,425 posts)differences and "read" very much like some of the spurious commentaries from Brietbart and the Daily Caller.
And I didn't jump in here on Day 1 and post hundreds of comments. My first four years here I had something like 33 posts.
Your "Bernie or Bust" comments are not the language of someone who supports the TOS here.
Further, your ugly, appearance based snark about SECSTATE Cllnton is the OPPOSITE of "liberal" or even "progressive," and reads more like the shit I see coming from the right.
These are YOUR words that cause me to hold this view--so stop acting like you're being victimized. If you don't want to be taken as someone who doesn't have the goals of DU at heart -- to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to public office -- then you should stop saying such ugly, sexist shit about one of our primary candidates, and stop sounding like the right wing, who routinely use appearance-based insults against Clinton.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)I'm back to BoB...and I have four months on you in membership...so step off the door to the big tent, newbie.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I've been here since the place opened!
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)that chasing people off simply because they don't agree with you is not welcome at DU. This person is not a republican. You just don't like that they support Bernie.
Well guess what...I support Bernie too and have been here a very long time as well. I'm not going anywhere after the primaries...regardless of what I decide to do in the GE.
Now go report me and start your campaign to have me removed from DU. Otherwise...leave this poster alone and stop being a jerk.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)I just fucking despise bullies.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If I see someone behaving in a way that is diametrically opposed to the mission statement, here, though, I will point it out.
Sorry if that troubles you. I don't think it should be all that hard to stick to the TOS. Not sure why you find it so challenging but that's not my problem.
People can support whosoever they'd like....but using appearance based slurs is NOT ON HERE, and you know it. You'd be the first to jump on the alert button like it was the last chocolate chip cookie if anyone dared say anything mean about Bernie's appearance.
Speaking of "Now go report me" we know full well that is YOUR wheelhouse, too. And as for being a jerk, well, I am sure you're well familiar with how to play that game, too.
I prefer to call 'em as I see 'em--as I've done in this thread. No subterfuge.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Just ignore him/her.
It's not worth the emotional strife.
senz
(11,945 posts)I know of a candidate who could tell you how it's done.
MADem
(135,425 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)OH listen to you, Sweetness-and-Light!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1723058
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Calling a poster out with a personal attack violates TOS. Calls the person out for being here "less than a month" and attacks their post count. Then, accuses the person of being a paid shill with the "when your work is done" comment. Attacking opinions is fine, but not personal attacks.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:12 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I know technically you can make a case for a TOS violation here but the fact is GeorgiaPeanuts is the most obvious troll on this board in a long time and some (like MADem, apparently) are getting a little antsy and irritated waiting for his pizza to get here.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What is this I don't even
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The truth hurts. Leave.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not much sweetness and light from this poster it seems. Nasty accusations. Please hide.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Sid
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,734 posts)Because people paid big bucks to hear her speak. Losers who didn't pay shouldn't be allowed to access those pearls of wisdom. Gotta pay to play, you know. Gotta pay even to find out what's going on.
MADem
(135,425 posts)a DONOR speech--where people called "Democrats" (that would be most--but not all--of us, here) talk about their SUPER SECRET PLANS to BEAT REPUBLICANS -- published far and wide, so REPUBLICANS can thwart them?
I think the people who are whining about this have really gone off the page. This is a smart move! You do not--even if you think you do--have a "right" to hear what people say at a PRIVATE EVENT, and if you are thwarted from hearing it, well, too doggone bad!!!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)to cover her ass.
MADem
(135,425 posts)But here's the difference between us....
If Sanders were at that garden party, raising money for downticket races and talking about election strategy to donors, I would say "GOOD FOR BERNIE!!" too.
See?
I want a DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE in the White House next year.
I want a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic House.
I put the goals of the party of which I'm a member over partisan, petty, childish, whiney bullshit. Pity you can't seem to manage that.
I don't think advertising our tactics to those who would do us harm is a smart move--obviously you do. You think you have a "right" to a pound of flesh, 24-7. Pro tip: You don't. You want to know what goes on at private events like that? Pony up the dough, and off you go.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I'd call him out for it. This might be hard for you to relate to, but my standards aren't relative to whatever my candidate does.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Your team didn't even realize he attended all those fancy garden parties at fancy, high end venues in Palm Beach and Martha's Vineyard, and gave private speeches to donors. He's been doing it for TEN YEARS.
So you'd better start "calling." I'll wait.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)He showed up at a few parties and hit the buffet line. Nothing hidden or noised-out. Then there's the last paragraph of MSNBC's innuendo-laden piece:
MADem
(135,425 posts)who has done more to completely and irrevocably DESTROY Bernie Sanders' reputation save anyone but Tad Devine.
You really do NOT know your candidate at all. Get real.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but what's new?
MADem
(135,425 posts)But what's new????
Maybe you should think harder before you lash out like that in such a sour and personal way. Or don't. It won't make a damned bit of difference at the end of the day, you know.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie is bad because he's an interloper who wants a free ride from the Democratic Party, but does nothing to help the party or its candidates.
Bernie is just another insider politician who spends all his time schmoozing with the rich and famous to help the Democratic Party.
These Catch 22's get so dang confoozing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bernie signed a promise with DWS to fundraise for DNC downticket races--he hasn't done it yet.
If he got off his ass and did it, I would hope he'd use every tool in the toolbox to shut the GOP out. I would cheer him for so doing, too.
Nothing "Catch 22" about it--if you pay attention and follow along.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But yeah....There is a double standard there between claiming he never has done anything for Dems,. and then criticism for doing it.
I don't WANT the money I send to Sanders for his primary campaign to go to politicians who are actively trying to beat him at this point....And most people donating to him (including me) can not afford to give more than the limit that the agreement sends it to the DNC.
MADem
(135,425 posts)go to "politicians who are actively trying to beat him at this point...."
The DNC asked him--and HE AGREED, over half a year ago--to appear at fundraising parties, of the sort that you saw in the big Noise Machine Kerfluffle. He MADE THE PROMISE.
Here's how it works--he flies in. He eats a fancy schmancy dinner. He gets up with a mike (and a noise machine, if he is smart) and he tells these donors how important they are, and gives them a little anecdotal love, a cutesy personal story, something that they won't hear on the news, and then he launches into a stump about "How we're going to beat those Republicans," playing the audience up as key players in this fight, anything to make them feel special.
From these donors, Sanders can peel off $2700 per attendee, with the balance of up to slightly over 30K at the max going to the party to support downticket dems. Then, he poses for pictures, he does a little gripping/grinning, he has a brief private chat (with more "inside baseball" for the Silverbacks in the crowd (the ones giving the big dough) and then he hops into his limo, is whisked to the airport, he boards a plane and he goes where he needs to go.
That effort is all about getting US --and that is all of US, here, every damn one of US who doesn't want to see the GOP running shit any more -- a better Congress. It may not be the "best" Congress ever, but purity is pointless, and we need to get a BETTER Congress seated if we want to stop the gridlock and get anything done.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Sanders needs to do his part, though, in the construction effort, and he has not yet done that even though he made the PROMISE.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and deals are made, deals related to how the public's purse is spent, and who
wins or loses i.e. how to continue the impoverishment of what used to be
the Middle Class for the further enrichment of the Billionaire Class.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)When we do hear her, it's frightening and fictional material she's foisting.
When this story broke her supporters on DU were claiming that such technology does not even exist. Now they just claim everyone keeps their speeches super secret, like Max and the Chief in the Cone of Silence.....
Response to AzDar (Original post)
CompanyFirstSergeant This message was self-deleted by its author.
All secrety and stuff, though he also reported that nothing of interest was said there.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)That haven't paid tens of thousands of dollars to listen to Hillary get away with not paying. But, don't worry, she is for the middle and lower classes... She promises.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)We might be able to sneak in a recording device and find out what she's telling the fat cats that we're not allowed to hear.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)global1
(25,253 posts)I'm going to turn on my 'white noise' machine when Hillary is talking as well.
amborin
(16,631 posts)and laughing at ordinary voters
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)One of their most active posters claimed that such a machine could not have been used by Hillary because the tech is as fictional as "Dr. Who", so I'm going to assume that this whole thing is a lie designed to discredit the most compassionate, fair-minded and honest woman ever born (TM).
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)The desperation and intentional ignorance is astonishing.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)"Tough decisions have to be made" but I bet if I sent a FOIA to the National Personnel Records Center with information on them, they'd come back asking "who?" I don't brook civvies advocating for using us to murder for profit.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)No more! Hell NO!
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:55 PM - Edit history (1)
These are very rich, very stressed out people, and having the potential-next-president of the United States give you a guided sleep meditation, complete with white noise, is priceless.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Anything for the donors.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)dooner
(1,217 posts)I'd say Hickenlooper's people must have set it up to help keep sound (Hillary's amplified voice) from bothering his neighbors.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Same reason she ran a private email server. She likes to say one thing to one audience, and another thing to the people. Got to keep those messages separate.
The email server gave her the ability to privately select which emails would be handed over to any FOIA requests. The noise machine keeps her words to the 1% from reaching the ears of the 99%.
Where are the transcripts already???
senz
(11,945 posts)She lives up (down) to her reputation.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)the tenth room behind ten doors on the tenth floor.
Phony baloney up some crowd shots, release to press.. voila!
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)They would feel cheated if any Joe Schmo on the sidewalk could lap up all that knowledge for free!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)She's laughing at you, and she doesnt believe you deserve to know what her real plans are.........
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And there are two words that continue to rattle in my head: corruption and kleptocracy
Of course I get the secrecy. We don't want no 47 percent moments here
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Including Sanders. If she was saying some harsh things about Sanders, I'm guessing you all would not want to hear them.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)And for someone who was allegedly there, he has a pretty vague recollection of Clinton's speech, but can recall in vivid detail what the sound machine looked like?
I'll file this under "Bullshit" until somebody who can prove they were physically there goes on the record... Until then, it's just Dudebro agitprop.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)"I'm not speaking to you, Basil!"