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jillan
(39,451 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)She might think about somebody who supported Bernie in the primary.
If so, I say Raul.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)She's a great speaker.
Military experience.
West Coast to go with Bernie East Coast.
However, the thought of a Muslim (Ellison) in the ticket would be great fun to see the Trump supporters heads explode.....lol.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Good prize for second place. Again.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)cost: how long would Bernie live into his first term?
Myrina
(12,296 posts)"Out, damned spot! out, I say!One: two: why, then, 'tis time to do't.Hell is murky!
Fie, my lord, fie! a soldier, and afeard?
What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account?"
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)or Martin O'Malley
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Been beating that drum for months
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)We need the original idea of the original Rainbow Coalition right now.
demwing
(16,916 posts)but he's also noted as an international diplomat.
And, if the VP is tasked with balancing the ticket, a black, southern, civil rights legend would do nicely.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That would be a consideration. But even with that it would still be a good choice.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm hoping it would be Warren and her refusal to endorse either candidate kinda plays to that but it might not happen. Other's have made a strong argument as to why she's needed in the Senate.
I'm thinking it might be Tulsi Gabbard and I'd be very happy with that.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...but can she be safely replaced?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Otherwise, I've been very impressed with how well Gabbard presents to an audience, but don't know enough about her. edit to add I llove how she speaks out against U.S. military interventionalism.
Grijalva is another interesting choice. He takes corporate money, doesn't he? I see that as a problem. But maybe he is a good choice.
Ellison, I think he would be a liability as a Muslim. I would have no problem with it, but many would.
Warren would be a great addition to the ticket, but I think she would prefer to be a Senator than a VP.
O'Malley always vibed like a phony to me, but he could be ok. I know others here like him.
If I were Bernie I would stay far away from anyone the establishment would prefer as POTUS, assassination risk.
nemo137
(3,297 posts)and needing, after the election, if he wins, to have to work with elected Dems, I really don't think trying to bring on another non-Democrat on to the ticket would be a good idea.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)You think many of those Democrats will vote for Trump or Ryan or whomever? We can triangulate the party establishment the way they've always done it to us, if we get the nomination. They have nowhere else to go. I suppose they could kick up a Bloomberg run or something like that, let them if that's who they are.
I want no part of the corporate Democratic establishment, it is thoroughly rotten. Most voters have figured that out, too, and it's those voters we need to reach.
nemo137
(3,297 posts)1.) Democrats that didn't vote for Bernie, and who are not socialists, to feel like they're still part of the party (and do things like vote, donate, and volunteer, because no matter how many new faces you bring in, you're not replacing them), because they're not going anywhere
2.) Elected Democrats, of whom there will hopefully be more of after November, to work with Bernie. Telling them to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut by tapping a socialist city councilor for the VP would not be wise
3.) Undecided voters, who may be terrified of a Trump/Cruz/Ryan presidency but not on board with a "revolution", to feel comfortable voting for Sanders
I don't have any problem with Sawant, but I don't think bringing in another independent socialist on to the ticket is a good idea.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I really think it's time to put people out there who stand for the right things, without apology or compromise. I'm not saying you never compromise as part of governing, I'm saying we need candidates who are themselves uncompromised.
Sawant is really excellent on the issues. She probably isn't ready for such a national stage, which is why I said she's out of the box, but it would be a bold and worthy choice given who Bernie is and what he is fighting for.
I disagree strongly with your point 1), I just don't think we'll lose many of them to a Trump or whomever, and they are not the activist grass-roots energy of the party at all, the Bernie/Warren types are. If they don't like policies like social security, national healthcare, free college tuition (something we used to have at many universities), why are they Democrats? There's a rightful place for socialist constraints on privatization and unchecked capitalism in the Democratic Party, and if we don't stand up for that, we have no soul as a party and very little legitimacy.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)Per the 12th Amendment: "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Norrin Radd
(4,959 posts)Seattle.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But that would fracture the Democratic party even more.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Her message and Bernie's are very similar. They would work well together and it would open up the progressive tent even more so.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I heard, a couple of weeks ago, that Jill reached out to Berne in some way, and wondered what that was about. I was assuming it was about putting him on the Green ticket if Hillary gets the nomination (not that there's any sign Bernie would do that), but it could have been an inquiry re VP.
I actually voted for Jill in 2012, disgusted with Obama after I supported him in '08, and my state was very safe for Obma in the 2012 election so I voted for her.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Response to pinebox (Reply #16)
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pinebox
(5,761 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)because if it's one thing Bernie has done it's open the tent up to new Dems. If he had Stein as a VP that tent would even get larger. Think about it, a unification of progressive ideals.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Why do you think that? I see it as more likely than anything considering the Dem establishment has essentially royally screwed him over.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Retrograde
(10,137 posts)I don't play n-dimensional chess, and I'm not even all that good at the 2d version, but I see this pairing as problematic down the line as well as down the ballot.
Now, a Sanders/Ellison ticket would be interesting and IMHO more workable.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and if the Dem party wants to grow they need to reach outside the political realm. Both parties are bleeding people. This would ensure a much larger base
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Retrograde
(10,137 posts)IIRC, roughly a third of voters will vote Democratic no matter who's on the ticket, and a third will vote Republican no matter who. It's the swing center that will be more likely to be put off by a Green candidate, and it's those voters that the Democrats will need to keep the presidency (and, I hope, pick up some more seats in Congress). That's why candidates tend to move more to the center once they receive a party's nomination.
dooner
(1,217 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)I'm really disappointed in Boxer
pangaia
(24,324 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But thanks anyways.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Hillary doesn't deserve dog catcher. Besides, Bill never was a dog catcher, so she can't ride those coattails to the shelter.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)and, gosh darn it, "progressives" supposedly love him...
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)keep enemies closer?
domestic congressional liaison?
foreign policy diplomat?
revolution coordinator?
backup QB?
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)Duh!
On edit: Or if he wants to geographically diversify a little, perhaps Gavin Newsome or someone really out of the blue: Wendy Davis.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,122 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Cynthia McKinney would hold Bernie's feet to the fire and serve as "Impeachment Insurance."
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)She's not as liberal as I would prefer, but she has served in the Senate, she knows her sht, she can take on the 1%ers, and she's very charismatic.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I would love that!
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... he's favored to replace Ron "Kochboy" Johnson, in the Senate.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Lone_Wolf
(1,603 posts)She's, young, liberal, and female.
Plus it would be a nice little slap in the face at Hillary if Bernie chose Hillary's Senate replacement in NY.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Maybe Bernie could pick one of them.
phiddle
(789 posts)Strong administrator, security credentials, puts the west in play, doesn't risk a congressional seat, is younger, and will soothe that subset of Clinton voters who wish to see a woman ascend the power structure
think
(11,641 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Never been done before AFAIK but it might appease Conservadems without alienating Bernie supporters.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...having supported an anti-muslim organization. And that is a shame.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I don't think this is a deal breaker. The ant-muslim organization is actually the largest political party in India and their prime minister belongs to it. Which is a problem by itself, but hey maybe she didn't know that much about it.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Chomsky wouldn't stoop to this though.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)perhaps?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I would have him giving 2 speeches every day