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MADem

(135,425 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:51 PM Apr 2016

 I Used to Support Bernie, but Then I Changed My Mind --- TOM HAYDEN in The Nation

I have a variety of concerns about both candidates’ campaigns. But I intend to vote for Hillary Clinton in the California primary for one fundamental reason.


https://www.thenation.com/article/i-used-to-support-bernie-but-then-i-changed-my-mind/


 My second worry about Bernie’s candidacy is that he has not really faced an all-out Republican-financed media assault in this entire campaign. If he’s the nominee, that will be merciless. And my third concern: Bernie is leading an incredible movement and sowing seeds for the future, but lacks a concrete plan for turning his legacy into a permanent progressive force. We don’t know what will happen to the army of supporters he has assembled, but we already know the pattern of many similar projects—which end up going into decline or divisions.

Voting on June 7 is a personal responsibility for myself and other Californians, just as it is for my friends and colleagues in New York on April 19. ...... I intend to vote for Hillary Clinton in the California primary for one fundamental reason. It has to do with race. My life since 1960 has been committed to the causes of African Americans, the Chicano movement, the labor movement, and freedom struggles in Vietnam, Cuba and Latin America. In the environmental movement I start from the premise of environmental justice for the poor and communities of color. My wife is a descendant of the Oglala Sioux, and my whole family is inter-racial.

What would cause me to turn my back on all those people who have shaped who I am? That would be a transgression on my personal code. I have been on too many freedom rides, too many marches, too many jail cells, and far too many gravesites to breach that trust. And I have been so tied to the women’s movement that I cannot imagine scoffing at the chance to vote for a woman president. When I understood that the overwhelming consensus from those communities was for Hillary—for instance the Congressional Black Caucus and Sacramento’s Latino caucus—that was the decisive factor for me. I am gratified with Bernie’s increasing support from these communities of color, though it has appeared to be too little and too late. Bernie’s campaign has had all the money in the world to invest in inner city organizing, starting 18 months ago. He chose to invest resources instead in white-majority regions at the expense of the Deep South and urban North.

Bernie comes from a place that is familiar to me, the New York culture of democratic socialism. From the Port Huron Statement forward, I have believed in the democratic public control of resources and protecting the rights of labor. My intellectual hero is C. Wright Mills, a Marxist who broke with what he condemned as the stale “labor metaphysic” of the communist and socialist parties, embracing instead an international New Left led by young middle-class students around the world. Mills was fresh, honest, and always searching. The 1962 Port Huron Statement declared that we needed liberals for their relevance in achieving reforms, and socialists for their deeper critique of underlying systems. We did not declare ourselves for socialism but for a massive expansion of the New Deal, combined with an attack on the Cold War arms race. We called for a basic realignment of the Democratic Party through the force of social movements, but not through a third party. We even went “part of the way with LBJ” in the face of the 1964 Goldwater threat. From there the Democrats divided over race and Vietnam, eventually leading to Nixon. Even in the ’80s and ’9os, our campaign for “economic democracy” chose not to identify as a socialist movement. With the coming of the 2008 Wall Street crash and Bernie’s campaign, our political culture has changed profoundly in its tolerance of socialist ideas. But is it enough after this truly divisive primary season? .....  So here we are, at the end of one generation on the left and the rise of another. Both camps in the party will need each other in November—more than either side needs to emerge triumphant in the primary. We still need the organizing of a united front of equals to prevail against the Republicans. It will take a thorough process of conflict resolution to get there, not a unilateral power wielding by the usual operatives. It’s up to all of us.



There's too much in the article for a couple of snips to do justice --worth a read.

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 I Used to Support Bernie, but Then I Changed My Mind --- TOM HAYDEN in The Nation (Original Post) MADem Apr 2016 OP
Let the Facebook and Twitter attacks begin? Under the bus? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #1
OMG--Ernestine!!! MADem Apr 2016 #14
Dec 2012: Tom Hayden supports Clinton for 2016. Skwmom Apr 2016 #44
The Nation? That conservative rag? onehandle Apr 2016 #2
LOL--since they recently endorsed Sanders, I think that will be a tough sell!! LOL! nt MADem Apr 2016 #3
Tom Hayden is angling for a spot on the DNC. bvf Apr 2016 #4
Do tell! I'm sure you have a link in support of that thesis! nt MADem Apr 2016 #12
Thesis? LOL! bvf Apr 2016 #13
Wow, that's quite a list of endorsers!!! Does Reich go under the bus, now? nt MADem Apr 2016 #15
Nope. bvf Apr 2016 #17
Excuse the fuck outta me? I did not KNOW something. Now that's a CRIME? MADem Apr 2016 #19
You're excused. bvf Apr 2016 #22
? MADem Apr 2016 #32
Don't hurt yourself. bvf Apr 2016 #36
Ahh, thanks for proving my point! MADem Apr 2016 #37
Just checking something out, thanks. bvf Apr 2016 #39
You might think playing back-and-forth games is clever, but you just come off like what you are. nt MADem Apr 2016 #41
So far, so good. bvf Apr 2016 #47
OOPS! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #23
As long as there's harrumphing to be done, bvf Apr 2016 #26
The rofl smilies, excess punctuation and all caps aren't fooling anyone. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #27
Reminds me of several people I encountered years ago bvf Apr 2016 #29
you mean hypothesis*? n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #43
No, thesis--as in what you write when you're trying to obtain a degree, or pass a course of MADem Apr 2016 #46
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #25
The podium bird tell you that too? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #48
Isn't he a fellow Socialist? redstateblues Apr 2016 #5
Is whatshisname still relevant? monmouth4 Apr 2016 #6
Ask bvf--he's the self-appointed expert. nt MADem Apr 2016 #33
Tom Hayden has taken a long right turn since the Port Huron Statement. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #7
KNR Lucinda Apr 2016 #8
I used to be a Hillary supporter and now I support Bernie. dogman Apr 2016 #9
In 2012 he came out for Clinton in 2016. Fun and games. Skwmom Apr 2016 #10
I used to support Hillary before I supported Bernie before I supported Hillary. frylock Apr 2016 #11
Apparently not. bvf Apr 2016 #24
Nice try BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #16
This was posted and debunked hours ago... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #18
Why are you calling me DARLING? That's the kind of thing that right wing trolls do--so why are you MADem Apr 2016 #20
Here you go debunked: GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #21
What has been debunked? WTF does an old post from eight years ago have to do with MADem Apr 2016 #31
Why are you calling me DARLING? AlbertCat Apr 2016 #28
Are you contributing to this discussion on a phone? Because I wasn't talking to you. nt MADem Apr 2016 #30
K&R DesertRat Apr 2016 #34
How the mighty have fallen. John Poet Apr 2016 #35
Just like Howard Dean....he's an insurance lobbyist now I believe....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #45
Evidently Hayden missed a few chapters in Sanders' bio. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #38
I admire Hayden. He's smart but old and only one opinion. He's not always right. snowy owl Apr 2016 #40
bell hooks (not capitalized for her own humble reasons) feminist, scholar, activist... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #42
Bah. What does Hayden know about revolutions...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #49
LOL!!!!!!! nt MADem Apr 2016 #50

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
44. Dec 2012: Tom Hayden supports Clinton for 2016.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016


The choice between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008 was difficult for many Democrats. Clinton in 2016 should not be. What is at stake is another chance to make history by electing a woman president, to assure an independent judiciary, to advance the interests of working people and maintain a continuity of citizen access to government against the waning, raging Right. At this point, Clinton alone can mobilize a movement base and raise the hundreds of millions necessary to secure a high-turnout victory for a coalition seeded with thousands of progressives.

Yes, it is true, unfortunately, that Clinton is decidedly hawkish on military policy, the primary policy reason that many Democrats supported Obama’s challenge in Iowa. Not much appears to have changed since then. Clinton crossed Obama and sided with Petraeus in the internal White House debates over Afghanistan (see Bob Woodward’s Obama’s Wars). She was tepid in supporting the popular overthrow of the Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak. She wanted the war in Libya.

The task for the peace and justice movement, then, is to spend the next four years creating a pro-peace climate strong enough to deter Hillary-as-hawk and smart enough to convince her that the old Hillary-the-dove was right in her instincts. Unlike the Sixties, we live in a time when all but the craziest neo-conservatives realize that “it’s time for some nation-building at home,” and there is no one more qualified than Clinton to move the agenda in that direction.

http://tomhayden.com/home/hillary-clinton-in-2016.html

I notice how the love to have Bernie (aka closet Clinton supporters) come out for Clinton. Is there anything that is true about the Clinton campaign? Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors....
4

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
17. Nope.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

But feel free to try to deflect attention from that three-egg omelette on your face, y'hear?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Excuse the fuck outta me? I did not KNOW something. Now that's a CRIME?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

The one doing the "nose rubbing" is you--and it's not a good look. Harrrrumph!!!!!!




Thank you for the link--even though you couldn't be bothered to link directly, and made me look for it. That passive aggressive shit reflects on you, not me...!

For anyone else interested, here is the DIRECT LINK to the material:

http://tomhayden.com/home/tom-hayden-for-democratic-national-committee-endorsements.html

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
22. You're excused.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

Oh, did you hurt your finger scrolling?

Too many big words to scan?

Sorry about that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. You might think playing back-and-forth games is clever, but you just come off like what you are. nt
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
27. The rofl smilies, excess punctuation and all caps aren't fooling anyone.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

I expect a gish gallop or a blind link to something that he'll insist proves you're wrong and when you debunk that assertion it will quickly devolve into a "I know you are but what am I" style tit for tat sub-thread.

He really needs a new schtick.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
29. Reminds me of several people I encountered years ago
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:34 PM - Edit history (1)

on usenet. Same approach. One claimed to be Joseph Farah.

I'll leave it to the OP's prodigious Google skills if he needs to look that one up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. No, thesis--as in what you write when you're trying to obtain a degree, or pass a course of
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:57 PM
Apr 2016

instruction.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Yup
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:49 PM
Apr 2016

And the unwritten rule now is you do not piss off the party (leadership). There is an effort underfoot to bring the troops in line. From what we have observed, not that successful with particular demographics

dogman

(6,073 posts)
9. I used to be a Hillary supporter and now I support Bernie.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

"not a unilateral power wielding by the usual operatives" ? Ok then, why join the usual operatives?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
10. In 2012 he came out for Clinton in 2016. Fun and games.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:10 PM
Apr 2016


The choice between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008 was difficult for many Democrats. Clinton in 2016 should not be. What is at stake is another chance to make history by electing a woman president, to assure an independent judiciary, to advance the interests of working people and maintain a continuity of citizen access to government against the waning, raging Right. At this point, Clinton alone can mobilize a movement base and raise the hundreds of millions necessary to secure a high-turnout victory for a coalition seeded with thousands of progressives.

Yes, it is true, unfortunately, that Clinton is decidedly hawkish on military policy, the primary policy reason that many Democrats supported Obama’s challenge in Iowa. Not much appears to have changed since then. Clinton crossed Obama and sided with Petraeus in the internal White House debates over Afghanistan (see Bob Woodward’s Obama’s Wars). She was tepid in supporting the popular overthrow of the Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak. She wanted the war in Libya.

The task for the peace and justice movement, then, is to spend the next four years creating a pro-peace climate strong enough to deter Hillary-as-hawk and smart enough to convince her that the old Hillary-the-dove was right in her instincts. Unlike the Sixties, we live in a time when all but the craziest neo-conservatives realize that “it’s time for some nation-building at home,” and there is no one more qualified than Clinton to move the agenda in that direction.

http://tomhayden.com/home/hillary-clinton-in-2016.html

I notice how the love to have Bernie (aka closet Clinton supporters) come out for Clinton. Is there anything that is true about the Clinton campaign? Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors....

frylock

(34,825 posts)
11. I used to support Hillary before I supported Bernie before I supported Hillary.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

Does this guy know how the internet works?

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
16. Nice try
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

But it does help if you actually read the author's previous arguments before you use it to score points.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Why are you calling me DARLING? That's the kind of thing that right wing trolls do--so why are you
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

behaving in that manner?

Can't you ever be subtle?


GeorgiaPeanuts
18. This was posted and debunked hours ago...
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Keep up darling



And PLEASE-- I WILL WAIT--explain what you mean by that bullshit "This was debunked" remark. You're saying this isn't true? What ARE you saying "darling?"

smh--you couldn't be more obvious if you tried.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. What has been debunked? WTF does an old post from eight years ago have to do with
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:45 PM
Apr 2016

this article from the NATION?

Hmmmmm?

This isn't a link from 2012. It's a link from 2016. From ONE DAY ago.

I Used to Support Bernie, but Then I Changed My Mind
I have a variety of concerns about both candidates’ campaigns. But I intend to vote for Hillary Clinton in the California primary for one fundamental reason.

By Tom Hayden

YESTERDAY 11:17 AM



https://www.thenation.com/article/i-used-to-support-bernie-but-then-i-changed-my-mind/

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
35. How the mighty have fallen.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:10 AM
Apr 2016

Of course, Tom Hayden joined the establishment a long, long time ago,
when the whole world wasn't watching.



snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
40. I admire Hayden. He's smart but old and only one opinion. He's not always right.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

I think Bernie is attracting a lot of Republican votes. The more they try to destroy him, the more transparent their fear of him becomes. I'm not so worried about it. Bernie attracts trust and a lot of tea party republicans are on his side. They are tired of the establishment.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
42. bell hooks (not capitalized for her own humble reasons) feminist, scholar, activist...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016


As a writer, she chose the pseudonym, bell hooks, in tribute to her mother and great-grandmother. She decided not to capitalize her new name to place focus on her work rather than her name, on her ideas rather than her personality.
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