About the Clinton supporters: Don't assume they know everything and are okay with it.

[Skwmom]

They don't and many won't be.

Speak to some of the former Clinton supporters and you'll understand that one shouldn't just assume they will stick by her no matter what comes out in the general election.

Have we ever had a primary where the leader contender had tons of baggage that was never made known in the general election?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Sounds like you are hopeful that Hillary if the nominee will lose in November.

[Skwmom]

3. Nope. But I am a realist.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. No, sounds like you are hoping people will turn their backs on her.

[dchill]

9. It's not about hoping.

It's being realistic.

[kristopher]

10. No it doesn't sound that way at all. And it takes a peculiar point of view ...

...to read the post that way.

It's perfectly reasonable to be worried that Hillary isn't going to be able to steamroll her way through the GE like she's trying to do in the primary. Especially since she isn't being particularly successful with that strategy in the primary where Bernie's playing nice.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

11. Maybe some feel that way, many though really are hoping she loses and we end up with GOP so

they can say "told you so", regardless of the horrible results that will cause.

Very irresponsible.

[kristopher]

14. How in the fuck do you set yourself on that high of a high horse?

You seem to have not only an obsession with defending Hillary, but a compulsion to create out of whole cloth villains to defend her from.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

15. Ridiculous. I am merely reading over the course of a few months hundreds, actually

thousands of posts and threads about how Hillary is not an option.

I wish I was making it up.

Believe me, I wish.

[kristopher]

16. It's not ridiculous at all. It's what you're doing.

5th Column All The Way!
Rah. Rah. Sis boom ba.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

17. Your actions may result in a GOP white house, so I will work as hard as I can to

negate them.

[kristopher]

19. Right, call you on your subterfuge and I'm the problem....

At least you're always in character.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

20. Subterfuge? Bullshit, so in your mind a person who seeks to keep the WH out

of the hands of the fascists, is the problem.

That unless I go along with all the bashing of Hillary, I am the enemy.

Sad.

I will attack Hillary as much as Bernie will if Bernie loses. You will NOT be able to say the same, so dont lecture me about subterfuge

[kristopher]

22. The Clintons are rock-solid corporatists. Do you know what fascism is?

It's when corporations take control of government and fix policy for their benefit.

The Corporate Capture of the United States osted by the Harvard Law School Forum on Corporate Governance
2012

https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2012/01/05/the-corporate-capture-of-the-united-states/

"American corporations today are like the great European monarchies of yore: They have the power to control the rules under which they function and to direct the allocation of public resources. This is not a prediction of what’s to come; this is a simple statement of the present state of affairs. Corporations have effectively captured the United States: its judiciary, its political system, and its national wealth, without assuming any of the responsibilities of dominion. Evidence is everywhere."

[Jackie Wilson Said]

23. Now you have jumped the shark, on Democratic Underground calling Hillary Clinton a fascist.

[kristopher]

25. Corporatism is fascism; that isn't my doing.

And Hillary is a corporatist. I didn't make that up or plant the idea in any way. That's why she made $21,468,000 in speaking fees over 24 months recently - she is the darling of those dedicated to corporate empire.

[kristopher]

30. See also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511723999

Bit of a long read, but you definitely need the knowledge it will yield.

[rock]

36. I'm posting here to cover all posts above

You're absolutely right Jackie and the BSers posts are, well, BS. They only spout garbage. It's an attempt to shut you up. Go girl!

[MisterP]

2. right, the point is to have so many scandals you can't tell someone all of them or you sound

like an InfoWars escapee

[ThePhilosopher04]

4. Stockholm Syndrome

[msongs]

6. her baggage is well known, the repubs/sanders crowd drags it out. sanders is an unknown so HIS

baggage is yet to be revealed. an inconsequential back bencher does not get much scrutiny

[kristopher]

24. Bull.

She's done nothing for the past 16 years but stack up an incredible amount of wrong-headed policy and actions that are bursting-ripe for exploitation by the GOP.

Bernie is on the side of the people and they know it. Hillary is on Hillary's side and the people know it.

[NCTraveler]

29. Your comment is spot on. Nt

[sasmath]

7. Many times

[JoePhilly]

8. They've been investigating Hillary for decades.

But they are suddenly going to "get her" between now and November.

Ok.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

12. Some here would have us believe Bernie trying to win is weakening her in the GE

If a respectful old socialist from rural Vermont can weaken her think what a trump or Cruz can do

[JoePhilly]

26. But I heard Bernie is the Chosen One.

Yet now you claim he's a lame nothing.

Talk about a "weathervane".

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

27. I am describing Bernie from the perspective of the media, they called him a fringe candidate when...

...I first supported him

[upaloopa]

13. 99% of what is said here about Hillary by Bernie supporters is false

Hillary is the most vetted candidate for President. Her bio and record are an open book.

People can choose to know the truth or believe what scandal mongers write.

It should be obvious by all the lies that the right has dreamed up to destroy Hillary that they do not want her in power.

It seems that Bernie supporters want to destroy her too. I think that is a tragic mistake. The repubs dish out the lies and Bernie supporters soak them up like a sponge.

We have right wing trolls here on this board posting OP's daily that Bernie supports rec over and over.

The good news is that Hillary is stronger than all her detractors put together.

She will be nominated and will be elected President in spite of them

[kristopher]

31. "Her bio and record are an open book."

Would you explain the way her financials are structured and integrated with the various foundations and LLCs?

Make it succinct and clear please.

[upaloopa]

33. Once an angry man went to the Buddha and started ripping him up and down

He expected the Buddha to get upset but he remained equanimous.

Then the Buddha asked the man this, if you gave me a present and I did not accept it then who would own it? Them man replied that he not the Buddha would own it.

The Buddha said so to it is with your anger toward me

[BlindTiresias]

34. Sophistic bullshit

Answer the question or concede the point.

[kristopher]

35. An off target reply is expected when the topic is Hillary's finances.

That isn't going to work in the GE. You'd be well advised to recall that the GOP is going to rip her to shreds on the speaking fees, her time as SecState and the uncomfortable donations to the Clinton Foundation that coincide so well with State Department business.

You think WhiteWater was bad? Wait until they get started on her financial behavior since.

[Nanjeanne]

18. Most of the people I know who are supporting Clinton haven't a clue about any of the

policies she supports or the poor judgement she has shown.

They just know she is a Democrat. Was first lady. Is a woman. Was Secy of State and Obama chose her. The email and Benghazi crap is what they hear and since that's the right wing garbage thrown at her - they don't focus on the real problems with her. And every one of them like and would support Bernie - if they thought he could win. But the media tells them he can't - so they go with the "winner" they have been told is the Democrat to support.

And these are smart people. They are busy people. They don't have a lot of time and aren't looking for info. They get it in soundbites and they think if they watch CNN or MSNBC they are getting a more "liberal" viewpoint.

Unfortunately, this is what we are up against and why it is so hard for people like Bernie to make strides. That he is doing as well as he is is remarkable and a testament to his strengths and the desire of people for real change.

[Skwmom]

21. I agree. It is amazing he is doing as well as he is and it does show just what a strong candidate he

is.

[kristopher]

32. Well said.

[NCTraveler]

28. I'm not ok with everything about Clinton right now.

I still believe she is by far the best option.