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GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:21 PM Apr 2016

Erica Garner can't vote in the NY Primary

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2016/04/8596562/sanders-backer-erica-garner-may-not-be-able-vote-democratic-primar

Erica Garner, who is Eric Garner's daughter and has become a high-profile supporter of Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, has encouraged New Yorkers to vote in the Democratic primary here on April 19.

But she may not be able to vote in it.

“Soooo the ny primary is closed," Garner wrote on Facebook Wednesday. That means, she said, “if your nt a dem or GOP you cant vote nx week???”

Garner also wrote that “the deadline to switch parties has passed" — adding "fml," the common online acronym to express frustration.


This is screwed up... It is completely disenfranchising to have such draconian and archaic primary rules. Who is thinking about the primaries back in October.
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Erica Garner can't vote in the NY Primary (Original Post) GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 OP
IMO Bernie's team should put volunteers on this in advance in every state. JudyM Apr 2016 #1
A day late and a dollar short for that Tarc Apr 2016 #17
Yeah, but it's more fun to hold big rallies. Who cares what the outcome of the primaries are? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #31
well gee she couldnt be bothered to register and now she can't vote. whatta surprise! nt msongs Apr 2016 #2
Couldn't be bothered to pay the poll tax, and now she can't vote. Whatta surprise! hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #8
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #11
Someday when they come and take something important from you it won't be funny. Punkingal Apr 2016 #16
Your avatar is ironic. Chan790 Apr 2016 #24
Funeral, lawsuits, being a mom to a 4 year old, comforting 5 siblings lostnfound Apr 2016 #36
Voting should be easy, Fill the ovals in on a ballot and mail it in. Wonder what time it is Autumn Apr 2016 #3
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #4
amazed that she could be involved with the campaign for so many months and never think to check? bettyellen Apr 2016 #5
exactly. nt DesertFlower Apr 2016 #6
it' an insult to the thousands of people who can't hack the new ID requirements or scrubbed bettyellen Apr 2016 #9
i'm on a permanent registration here in DesertFlower Apr 2016 #12
We do a horrible job in civics education in this country, MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #14
True, it stinks. But there are so many posts pretending voter suppression is happening when actually bettyellen Apr 2016 #18
Carelessness, not showing up, etc... MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #21
"Who is thinking about the primaries back in October" KingFlorez Apr 2016 #7
Not only that passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #39
She's been campaigning for Bernie for months Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #10
Well, if it's any consolation, neither can Ivanka and Eric Trump. Beacool Apr 2016 #13
That's probably on purpose. grossproffit Apr 2016 #15
Maybe........ Beacool Apr 2016 #19
You have to register to vote Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #20
It appears from the article that she IS registered to vote. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #22
Thats because its a closed primary Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #28
I understand that, but there's closed and then there's extremely closed. Jim Lane Apr 2016 #33
"Who is thinking about the primaries back in October." LexVegas Apr 2016 #25
Fucking hilarious. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #27
No one from the Bernie camp thought to ask her her registration status. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #26
And to think Republicans are always blamed for disenfranchisement. Vinca Apr 2016 #29
Registering is not archaic. It prevents interlopers from creating havoc in the process. Sancho Apr 2016 #30
but that far in advance? JustinL Apr 2016 #35
Limited Political Freedom is not a liberal idea, it's RW Authoritian. B Calm Apr 2016 #32
It is what it is. NWCorona Apr 2016 #34
Oh looky at all the Hill supporters bashing the daughter of Eric Gardner. jillan Apr 2016 #37
She can vote in any available open primaries. Such is the consequence of choosing "Independent." nt IamMab Apr 2016 #38
It fits the narrative. Skwmom Apr 2016 #40
 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
8. Couldn't be bothered to pay the poll tax, and now she can't vote. Whatta surprise!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

Am I doing this right?

Response to msongs (Reply #2)

lostnfound

(16,184 posts)
36. Funeral, lawsuits, being a mom to a 4 year old, comforting 5 siblings
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

A little distracted so HEY! She doesn't DESERVE to vote.

Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Original post)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. it' an insult to the thousands of people who can't hack the new ID requirements or scrubbed
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

off the rolls by the GOP to call this being disenfranchised. They could have voted if they took a few minutes to find out the requirements.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
12. i'm on a permanent registration here in
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

arizona, but a month before the primary i went on-line to make sure my registration was up to date. can't be too careful.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
14. We do a horrible job in civics education in this country,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not at all surprised Ms. Garner had no idea, add the tragic death of her father... this young woman deserves respect and compassion, and a little slack, no matter her preferred candidate. You know who I feel has no excuse? The Trumpies. What excuse do those kids have for not being eligible to vote? Granted every privilege money and celebrity can buy, but can't vote for their own father?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
18. True, it stinks. But there are so many posts pretending voter suppression is happening when actually
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

it is not actual anything more than people being careless.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
21. Carelessness, not showing up, etc...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

We have a serious lack of education in this country when it comes to politics... but I think politicians kinda like it that way. We all suffer because of it.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
7. "Who is thinking about the primaries back in October"
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know, people who are actually politically engaged? If you aren't engaged, you get nothing...

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
39. Not only that
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

How often does someone need to change their party to vote?

Most people stay in their party and vote in their party and don't think about having to change because of something like an independent running as a dem.

Erica may have been registered to vote, just not as a democrat.

Or, she has never voted before (apathy) and this is the first time she's even wanted to, and just doesn't know the rules like this six month rule. I didn't know that there were rules like this...I've just never been affected by it.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
13. Well, if it's any consolation, neither can Ivanka and Eric Trump.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

Isn't that ironic? They missed the registration deadline.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
20. You have to register to vote
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

She should do it today. If she doesn't do it in time for the presidential election, she will be out of luck again.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. It appears from the article that she IS registered to vote.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:29 AM
Apr 2016

The problem in NY is that, if you registered as unaffiliated or with any party other than the Democratic Party, you had to change that by last October 9 if you want to vote in this year's Democratic primaries (Presidential in April, Congressonal in June, state legislative in September).

For the general election, fortunately, there's no requirement that you get your paperwork in order six months or eight months or eleven months in advance in order to vote.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
28. Thats because its a closed primary
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:58 AM
Apr 2016

They don't want republicans switching sides (or vice versa) to just vote for the candidate who appears the weakest.

If you never registered before, the deadline to register and choose a party is March 25th. If you are already registered, you are not allowed to switch parties without advanced notice. This year both primaries are contested, but in years past one primary was basically final, and a lot of people switch parties to vote for the weak candidate, and new york is trying to stop that.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
33. I understand that, but there's closed and then there's extremely closed.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:04 PM
Apr 2016

First, I don't know whether you're correct that "a lot of people switch parties to vote for the weak candidate...." My guess is that very few people care enough to bother.

Beyond that, there's a trade-off between, on the one hand, preventing that kind of game-playing and, on the other, accommodating people who legitimately change parties. A requirement of a very long lead time strikes the balance far too much toward one side. New York had an October 2015 deadline for voting in the primaries to be held in April, June, and September of 2016. AFAIK, no other state has such a draconian requirement for independents who come to decide that one of the parties (or at least one of the candidates) speaks for them. Other states require advance notice, as you urge, but not notice that can be as long as eleven months before the primary.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
26. No one from the Bernie camp thought to ask her her registration status.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:34 AM
Apr 2016

They've been working with her for months.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
30. Registering is not archaic. It prevents interlopers from creating havoc in the process.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:03 AM
Apr 2016

Would you want a bunch of Tea Party voters to jump into the Democratic primary and put forward a non-Democrat? Would you think it was ok if the voter rolls were purged arbitrarily of minority voters? Would you think it was ok if districts were gerrymandered so that the GOP won a majority every time?

If candidates are required to represent their party and primary voters are required to register with a party, it prevents cross-overs and interlopers from screwing up the whole thing.

Down here in the Sunbelt, we definitely were thinking about the primary and registration a year ago! That's why many thousands of Floridians voted by mail weeks before the primary date. It also means those voters are registered and ready to vote in the general election. It also means the voter rolls are accurate so that we can investigate gerrymandering and attempts by the GOP to discriminate. That's why we voted for a gerrymandering amendment and took the GOP to court to start fixing the artificial majority they created. What is the database? It's voter registration data!!!

That's not disenfranchising - it's powerful information that Democrats use to support fair elections and Democratic candidates.

You cannot be more wrong. If you support Democrats, then register asap as a Democrat and vote as a Democrat.

JustinL

(722 posts)
35. but that far in advance?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

In Rosario v. Rockefeller, 410 U.S. 752 (1973), the Supreme Court upheld the New York deadline 5-4, at a time when there were only 3 liberals on the court (Douglas, Brennan, and Marshall).

From Justice Powell's dissenting opinion, joined by the 3 liberals, at pp. 769-771:

Political parties in this country traditionally have been characterized by a fluidity and overlap of philosophy and membership. And citizens generally declare or alter party affiliation for reasons quite unconnected with any premeditated intention to disrupt or frustrate the plans of a party with which they are not in sympathy. Citizens customarily choose a party and vote in its primary simply because it presents candidates and issues more responsive to their immediate concerns and aspirations. Such candidates or issues often are not apparent eight to 11 months before a primary. That a citizen should be absolutely precluded so far in advance from voting in a party primary in response to a sympathetic candidate, a new or meaningful issue, or changing party philosophies in his State, runs contrary to the fundamental rights of personal choice and expression which voting in this country was designed to serve.

Whatever state interest exists for preventing cross-overs from one party to another is appreciably lessened where, as in the case of petitioners, there has been no previous affiliation with any political party. The danger of voters in sympathy with one party "raiding" another party is insubstantial where the voter has made no prior party commitment at all. Certainly, the danger falls short of the overriding state interest needed to justify denying petitioners, so far in advance, the right to declare an initial party affiliation and vote in the party primary of their choice.

...

Partisan political activities do not constantly engage the attention of large numbers of Americans, especially as party labels and loyalties tend to be less persuasive than issues and the qualities of individual candidates. The crossover in registration from one party to another is most often impelled by motives quite unrelated to a desire to raid or distort a party's primary. To the extent that deliberate raiding occurs, it is usually the result of organized effort which depends for its success upon some relatively immediate concern or interest of the voters. This type of effort is more likely to occur as a primary date draws near. If New York were to adopt a more reasonable enrollment deadline, say 30 to 60 days, the period most vulnerable to raiding activity would be protected. More importantly, a less drastic enrollment deadline than the eight or 11 months now imposed by New York would make the franchise and opportunities for legitimate party participation available to those who constitutionally have the right to exercise them.


If we get a liberal majority on the Court for the first time since 1969, hopefully we'll able to overrule Rosario v. Rockefeller and strike down New York's ridiculous deadline.
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
32. Limited Political Freedom is not a liberal idea, it's RW Authoritian.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:25 AM
Apr 2016

Hell even behind the Hoosier Iron Curtain (regardless of which political party you are aligned with), you can ask for either ballot in the primary election. That's the way it should be nationwide.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
34. It is what it is.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

I just find it weird that people are ridiculing Erica simply because she supports Bernie. Maybe she hasn't felt the need to vote before this cycle? I'm not even sure if Erica was involved with Bernie back in October.

All the disenfranchised voters should focus on getting that bill passed so this doesn't happen again.
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