Vox: Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution

[Gothmog]

This is an interesting article http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution

Bernie Sanders says his platform makes financial sense for most Americans. For example, his campaign says Sanders's single-payer health care system would save an average family of four almost $6,000 per year.

But in order to pay for his proposed programs, Sanders needs to increase taxes on virtually everyone in America. So if you're a voter, the question is simple:

Are you willing to pay more taxes for his proposals, like nationalized health care and free public college tuition?

How much more?

When we polled voters, we found most Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for his biggest proposals. That's well short of how much more the average taxpayer would pay under his tax plan.

We asked voters how much more they are willing to pay for nationalized health care and free public college

We conducted a poll the week of April 4 in partnership with the nonpartisan technology and media company Morning Consult. In it, we asked voters how much more they would be willing to pay for two of Sanders's big propositions: a universal health care system covering all Americans and free tuition at public colleges and universities.

Most Americans say they are willing to pay something extra for these programs:

Nationalized health care: Around 80 percent of Sanders supporters are willing to pay more in federal taxes for universal health care coverage, compared with about 70 percent of Clinton supporters and about 40 percent of those supporting a Republican candidate.

Free public college tuition: A slightly lower percentage of people were willing to pay more for free public college tuition: 80 percent of Sanders supporters, 60 percent of Clinton supporters, and about 40 percent of those supporting a Republican candidate.
But when we look at how much more voters are willing to pay, we get a better idea of how voters view Sanders's plan.

Two in three Sanders supporters don't want to pay more than $1,000, or at all, for universal health care

About 66 percent of Sanders supporters said they wouldn't be willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for universal health care. This includes the 8 percent of Sanders supporters who aren't willing to pay anything at all.

Sanders platform is not being supported by Sandes own supporters.

[Dawgs]

1. LOL! Ridiculous analysis. n/t

[Gothmog]

4. So you only like polls if you agree with these polls?

[stone space]

2. How much are folks willing to pay for death and destruction?

More or less than for education?



It seems odd to me that education is suddenly where folks want to draw the line.

[Katashi_itto]

3. Thanks! Just sent another donation to Sanders.

[yodermon]

5. The 1st 2 paragraphs contradict each other.

Did the poll question indicate that health care premiums would be eliminated?

[eShirl]

6. How many Hillary supporters are willing to pay for FREE war with more taxes?

[IamMab]

7. Very revealing.

Do as they say, not as they do, clearly.

[CrowCityDem]

8. Who's surprised?

Of course people don't want to pay more taxes, regardless of what benefits they might get in return. That's natural.

Those numbers would be even worse if Bernie was honest, and said that his college plan would not only require a tax on "Wall Street" (really anyone who has an investment), but also big tax increases at the state level to fund the portion of the plan he never talks about.

[senz]

9. Bullshit. Learn how to read. All of Bernie's proposals are paid for.

He's had it up on his website for many months. He does his own work and doesn't pay progressives to write up his issues, like his opponent. He actually works it out for himself.

NOW READ: https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

[Gothmog]

10. By raising taxes

[senz]

11. Oh, a Republican talking point! A false one at that. Are you desperate?

Aww, too bad.

[redstateblues]

13. The last Dem to run on raising taxes on the middle class was Walter Mondale

He won 1 state.

[senz]

14. Bernie's FOR the middle class. Don't prevaricate.

[Gothmog]

24. Pelosi distances Democrats from Sanders's plan to raise taxes

Sanders plan to raise taxes would kill down ballot candidates http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/nancy-pelosi-bernie-sanders-taxes/

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi maintains she isn't taking sides in the Democratic primary for president, but pushed back against Bernie Sanders' pledge that he would raise taxes to pay for his health care plan, saying flatly on Wednesday, "We're not running on any platform of raising taxes."

Speaking at the House Democratic Caucus' annual retreat here, Pelosi sidestepped a question about the growing concerns of fellow Democrats over the impact Sanders could have on 2016 House and Senate races, saying, "I'm very proud of all three of our candidates."
But the top House Democrat didn't mince words when it came to Vermont Senator Sanders' health care proposal, dismissing the notion of a single-payer health care plan, curtly saying, "That's not going to happen."

[Dawgs]

12. Yes ... on the rich. Jesus! Is this a Democratic site or not?

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Last night we had one candidate using right-wing talking points ("free stuff&quot and today we have DUers arguing against raising taxes on the rich.

No wonder so many are leaving the party.

[Gothmog]

22. No Sanders raises taxes on everyone

[Dawgs]

32. Even better. It's what Democrats have always believed. n/t

[frylock]

20. Taxed Enough Already?

[Gothmog]

21. Ask President Mondale how well promising to raise taxes work as a campaign platform?

[frylock]

23. Will do. Do you have his contact info?

[Gothmog]

26. You do know that Mondale lost due to this stupid platform?

I voted for Mondale but it was sad to see that defeat.

Maybe you should talk to Nancy Pelosi. She is clear that congressional candidates will avoid Sanders' sad platform because it would kill them in congressional races.

[frylock]

28. No. Who is Mondale again?

Nice to see you applauding Congressional obstruction.

[Gothmog]

33. I live in the real world where Walter Mondale ran for POTUS in 1984 and lost due to stupid platform

Raising taxes is a bad party platform which is why Congressional democrats will be avoiding this stupidity

[frylock]

35. I live in a fantasy land where wealth is disproportionately held by a small group of people.

A fantasy land where trickle-down economics has proven to be a failure to all but a percentage of very wealthy individuals. A world of fantasy where our most prosperous years were during a time when a Republican was President, and the marginal tax rate was around 90%.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. What's the median income of these young Sanders supporters who are willing to pay $1000?

Maybe they're broke because they can't find work to repay their college loans.

[Orsino]

16. Story directly contradicts the headline.

Poll found that many or most are willing to pay a little more. Not coincidentally, most taxpayers will see their rates drop, with some high-income households having to pay a little more and the richest paying significantly more.

It's called progressive taxation, and it's why right-wing talking points are arrayed against it.

[ThePhilosopher04]

17. Bullshit

No way in hell they interviewed real Sanders supporters and came up with those percentages, unless the questions were manipulated and didn't factor in the cost savings. There's a reason why we're Bernie supporters in the first place. Pure propaganda piece and not worth the time it took to read it.

[lagomorph777]

29. Exactly - ask the questions right; manufacture the answers. e.g. ignore the cost savings

... propagating the GOP/HRC meme that no value is delivered in exchange for any social insurance tax.

[d_legendary1]

18. Hey look! Another "Free Shit" meme post!

First of all this crappy poll is asking registered voters if they support Sander's tax initiatives, not Sanders supporters directly. For example:

As you may know, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has proposed federal tax increases to pay for his proposed government programs.
How much more would you be willing to pay in federal taxes each year for each of the following programs?
A universal healthcare system that covers all Americans

59% of registered voters would pay something for these programs vs. 30% who wouldn't pay anything.

No where on that report does it say Sanders supporters or Clinton supporters. I'd rather look at raw data than read spin.

[amborin]

19. Ezra Klein has been shilling for Hillary constantly

[workinclasszero]

25. If it ain't free

they don't want it apparently.

[lagomorph777]

27. If you ask the questions right, you can manufacture any answer you like.

Considering that privatized health insurance costs 15-20% more (in the form of profits and executive salaries) than the public equivqalent would, I'd be more than happy to pay the same to the government as I'm paying to a private insurer; I would demand a 15-20% improvement in benefits to go along with it.

Same for education. I would prefer that the young people who keep the economy running after I retire (if I can ever retire) know what they are doing and run it productively. That's worth some money.

One more thing: there is a ton of money tied up in the parasite class (the banksters, oil slimers, and pharma drug pushers). It's time to stop the upward transfer of wealth and start investing OUR money in a better society.

[snowy owl]

30. Reagan so changed our country. Short-sighted penny-pinching gov't hating Americans

He educated them and we will live with it until young people continue Bernie's revolution for their share. Unfortunately we won't know what that might look like. The elderly may be their target eventually because they have no institutional memory of when our country worked for everyone.

Our troubles are not over. Bernie has the memory and intelligence and support of the young to make real change that is fair and just for all of us. With his loss, so goes the leader that can get it done and keep the young on an even path that benefits all of us. Without him who knows what will happen.

[NurseJackie]

31. I'm not at all surprised.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

Note to Jury: The above statements represent my opinion. No DU rules or terms of service have been violated. It is not against the rules to have an opinion that differs from the Alerter.

[Joob]

34. We are LITERALLY paying for it right now, AND making CAMPAIGN FINANCE HISTORY

[ibegurpard]

36. idiotic and transparent push-poll

That does not take into account eliminating deductibles and out of pockets.