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Hillary Clinton Flip-Flopping on issues in 13 min video. (Original Post) pantsonfire Apr 2016 OP
That's good, I don't want an overtly rigged dogmatic person with no plan on governing to be uponit7771 Apr 2016 #1
So a pragmatic liar is fine? n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #4
Sanders is a liar but slightly less than the rest uponit7771 Apr 2016 #19
If Hillary was an honest and good politician, RampageSnipa586 Apr 2016 #16
Hillary is an honest and good politician, I don't hate her uponit7771 Apr 2016 #20
Because as we all know, traditional democratic ideals are just too dogmatic and too impractical VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #17
Let's remember... RampageSnipa586 Apr 2016 #18
Gay Marriage...... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #2
Politicians, including Hilary, show support when they think the numbers are with them. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #5
I can be critical and not suicidal thank you...n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #6
Flip flop Catieee Apr 2016 #3
"Since when do democrats attack one another on universal healthcare..." pantsonfire Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author blm Apr 2016 #7
Are you unaware that it still exposes her flip flops? n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #9
suit yourself…. blm Apr 2016 #10
Propaganda is a strong word to use here.... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #11
May you never grow older….and may you never be the target of blm Apr 2016 #12
Ok....your point? pantsonfire Apr 2016 #13
You aren't being mindful, either, imo. blm Apr 2016 #14
I am drawing a blank....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #15

uponit7771

(93,491 posts)
1. That's good, I don't want an overtly rigged dogmatic person with no plan on governing to be
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

... in the white house who at no time has ever indicated that they needed to change for the better.

Go Hillary!!

RampageSnipa586

(25 posts)
16. If Hillary was an honest and good politician,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

she wouldn't have to change her mind every year, or whenever the wind blows for that matter. She would believe in one thing and stick with it, because she would know it was the right choice. I don't see Bernie changing his mind on anything, he's believed the same since the 90's and that's what makes him a good politician, because he's true from the beginning. I don't understand how you can blindly support a liar.

You must have a terrible IQ to take the worst trait she has and try to make something good out of it. You can't make shit smell or look good, and you can't make weathervane keep her mind in one place with her pockets open to big banks. I'm sorry, but I have to question your intelligence.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
17. Because as we all know, traditional democratic ideals are just too dogmatic and too impractical
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

and expecting people to be y'know, decent human beings from the jump is just too unrealistic.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
5. Politicians, including Hilary, show support when they think the numbers are with them.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

If anybody but Bernie was running against Hillary, these criticisms would have no value or meaning.

As Bernie is unique, but holding Hillary up to his level if she is the nominee is suicidal.

#VoteBlueNoMatterWho

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
8. "Since when do democrats attack one another on universal healthcare..."
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:04 PM
Apr 2016

....in 2016 Madam Secretary.

Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

blm

(114,433 posts)
10. suit yourself….
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

I just prefer my fellow Sanders supporters not wallow too much in the RW propaganda pits. Who knows, you may end up stuck in those pits you begin to harden, and then….what's the difference?

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
11. Propaganda is a strong word to use here....
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

.....her inability to come clean and explain why it took her so long to support gay marriage publicly is the first part of this video. That sure is RW propaganda.

blm

(114,433 posts)
12. May you never grow older….and may you never be the target of
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

3 decades of RW propaganda yourself.

I may support Sanders, but, I don't live in bubble where I am incapable of remembering 3 decades of constant sliming by Republicans and the billion dollars that was spent doing it. Ever imagine what a billion dollars spent smearing you, 98% of the time with false implications, would look like?

Imagine this: Sanders became president in Jan 1993 and RW decides to spend the next 8years exaggerating even the smallest appearance of a transgression featuring his wife and family into full-blown scandals.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
13. Ok....your point?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders has been in power in the corner of Congress for 25 years, yes Hillary has been the target of many attacks, but I'm not giving her a free pass.

blm

(114,433 posts)
14. You aren't being mindful, either, imo.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

Had Sanders been president, everything Jane did or tried to do would have been treated the same as HRC, and don't kid yourself that she would have escaped unscathed. Billions of dollars worth of piling on back in the 90s meant even far more damage back then. We operate now with that FULL awareness these smear networks exist and are well funded. That wasn't the case back in the 90s.

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