2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPledged delegate ESTIMATE based on tonight's results:
Prior to tonight:
Clinton 1,446 +241
Sanders 1,205
Tonight:
Clinton 218 +52
Sanders 166
Total ESTIMATE:
Clinton 1,664 +293
Sanders 1,371
Remaining pledged delegates - 1,016
onenote
(42,748 posts)Math.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)and following trends, HRC won't reach the needed total of delegates to win outright before the convention...
comes down to SDs at convention... this should be fun to watch
mythology
(9,527 posts)I could have sworn Sanders supporters were adamantly against that when they thought Sanders would win the pledged delegates.
There is a 0% chance that the super delegates are going to overturn the will of the voters.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)HRC won't reach the required delegate total to earn nomination before the convention, again MATH... SDs don't mean squat until the convention when they actually vote until then the don't matter... so the path to the convention for Bernie is WIDE open and you know this too.... power at the convention is yet to play outso let's see which platform planks get set in shall we?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)If one candidate has won something like 2175 pledged delegates and the other has won something like 1875 pledged delegates, the super delegation is a mere formality.
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)No suspense here. Convention being "contested" after Sanders gets blown out in the voting is a dumbass argument.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)HRC won't have enough delegates based upon proportional outome trends so far to reach the required total before the convention
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)congratulations thats precisely the argument I was referring to.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)I don't know what trends you're following, but Sanders will have to win EVERY remaining primary by an AVERAGE of 30%. Up until now he's only won one by that much, his home state of Vermont.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)HRC won't have enough delegates before convention based upon proportional outcome trends and you KNOW this
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Unless you're asking the superdelegates to go against the majority of Democratic voters and force a loser candidate on us, I have no idea what your repetitive "she wont win with just pledged" means. Wasn't it the Bernie supporters who were whining incessantly about the superdelegates early on - using the idiotic assumption they would overturn the majority candidate to rob Bernie of the nomination? Why, yes, it was.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)issues, forcing DEM party to maintain focus and discussion on the DEM platform and planks that the candidate will need to talk about throughout the GE
HRC and her supporters do NOT want to continue that discussion hence the continued whining about Bernie to 'stop' or 'suspend'...
SDs and the reason they are even in existence isn't up for debate, they were created to prevent candidates like Bernie from succeeding should the primary be close, it gives the establishment the ability to counter populism, to prevent another 'Jimmy Carter'
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I've NEVER said Bernie should stop and drop out. Go aim your screed someplace else.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)'screed'... first time I've seen a reply concerning my point about pushing issues within DEM primary a 'screed'...
but good to know where HRC supporters have their placed their priorities
thx, have a day!
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)You do know how this works, right?
They call each state.
Then the state reports its total votes - pledged and unpledged
Then they call the next state
Hillary wins way before they get to,Wyoming.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)your 'scenario' occurs at the convention, not before SD have no factor UNTIL the 'call each state'
the point, which you clearly avoid, is that Bernie staying in the race through to convention forces HRC and her supporters to continue to focus on the DEM platform and force HRC to issues she and her supporters do NOT want to continue to address and keep in the forefront
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)And Bernie's number looks high.
George II
(67,782 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)and audits?
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)She needs 35.6% of the remaining delegates to reach 2026, which isn't all that out of the realm of possibility. And Bernie needs over 64% of the remaining delegates just to be equal with her. I like her odds.
As for the supers, not gonna happen. Bernie should have spent as much time schmoozing them as he did the voters, especially since he's disparaged democrats for so many years and even said that he couldn't run as one because of the things he's said, all the while holding his nose and caucusing with them because, at the end of the day, the Republicans certainly wouldn't have had him. More than that, the terrible treatment, abuse, threats, and intimidation tactics that the supers have gotten from Bernie supports across social media has probably nailed the super delegate coffin shut. They aren't going to go for Johnny come lately Democrst over one of the most recognizable faces in the entire party. Not gonna happen.