2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo let's assume Romney's campaign is a lost cause. (because it is)
Could he have made a better VP pick that would have signifigantly improved his chances? If you were Mitt, who would you have picked?
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)I don't think even Hillary could beat that ticket.
waddirum
(979 posts)That said, I truly believe that Hills would mop the floor against Bush/Rubio.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)Darth Vadar just carpetbagged his ass back to Wyoming in time to register as the running mate.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The Presidential and Vice Presidential nominee of a party may not be from the same state.
That's why Dick Cheney had to move to Wyoming from Texas. That's not an option for either Bush or Rubio...Rubio can't move because he'd have to resign his Senate seat if he ceases to be a legal resident of FL. Bush can't because it would cost the GOP ticket Florida if he appears to be abandoning the state to run for President.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)improves chances among Hispanic Americans (which it doesn't) think that this choice means anything.
That is why it never got any serious consideration.
There is actually a lot of antagonism between the Hispanic and Cuban communities over the issue of undocumented workers and immigration reform.
skeewee08
(1,983 posts)She has the stench of Bush.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)but watch for Rob Portman to be jeb's vp going against HIllary45 in 2016.
watch Jeb & everyone else blame Ryan and the rightwing extremist for the loss(as I said months and months ago).
the race for 2014 starts the Thursday after reelection(with one day for celebrating, then back to work electing democrats or those that caucus with them in every single position in 2014).
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)with any kind of luck going forward, we will have both improving economic prospects, and demographic changes in our favor...with the wind at our back and hard work great things can happen..
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...until the patient has been declared legally dead.
There will be plenty of time for such speculations on 11/7...if we win.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)A little enthusiam is good but lets not over do it. The race has not been won yet and Mitt is still dangerous.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Ryan is the worst possible VP candidate... he's inexperienced and he has no likability. A lot of (extremely conservative) people liked Palin and that drew a lot of interest in the campaign for a while. Cheney was a complete ass but he had a lot of government experience. Having an experienced VP candidate when your experience is a question mark is extremely important, and Obama understood that when he selected Biden. Strangely, no one has questioned Romney's lack of experience, though if it was a Democrat with his record, that would be a focal point of the campaign.
abumbyanyothername
(2,711 posts)The Paul wing takes off and includes socially progressive positions on abortion, drugs and gay marriage. Much to the chagrin of Paul.
The religious wackos find fidelity to God more important than political success and change nothing.
The national security wackos may or may not get in bed with the religious zealots.
Kber
(5,043 posts)Solid Tea Party Credentials, Latina, and might have put New Mexico in play.
I understand her husband had (has?) some questionable business dealings, though.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)regrettably.. it's been stated that New Mexico's constitution invites corruption.. been that way at least since i came here in the mid 70's
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)But that's why Mitt's campaign is a joke. That was a layup of a choice.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)He alone could save Mitr Romney.
ncav53
(168 posts)He still would lose though.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Ben Quayle, that is, the son of the former joke of a V.P. who lost his re-election primary for his own House seat.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I cannot stand him but as a more moderate Governor of a blue state he could have pealed off some middle of the road voters.
I know, Christie has a weight issue. But some may have found him more relatable then that cold eyed, dead inside Paul Ryan. Mittens went hard right on the VP pick but those people always end up voting for the Repub no matter what in the end. Now Romney is hiding Paul Ryan and pretending to be "moderate Mitt."
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)No fucking way do I EVER disclose that information to ANYBODY.
Fuck the Republicans, let them fucking die as a party.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)aletier_v
(1,773 posts)One Mormon candidate says the White Horse Prophecy is questionable.
Two candidates guarantee a takeover is in progress.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Portman might have helped n Ohio. I don't think McDonnell would have help in Virginia. probably would have hurt.
I am divided about Walker in Wisconsin. I tend to think he is toxic even though he beat the recall rap.
I don't think there are any people of national prominence that would have made a difference -- at least none who would be willing to be VP. Christie might have helped and Jeb Bush probably would have helped, but neither would ever consider being under Romney. basically the whole party thinks he is a prick.
I'd like to think that a more moderate person like Pawlenty or Huntsman would have helped, but I don't think that is true with today's Republican Party.
Colin Powell probably would have helped, but he's endorsing Obama.
Mitch Daniels probably would have helped.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Kidding lol.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)And a better HBO movie.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Ryan was probably as good of a VP pick that he could have made. He certainly wasn't a Sarah Palin, so I don't think that harmed him. The problem really lies with Mitt IMHO.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Romney was simply too dishonest, and too many people were fucked by the last lying Republican who got close enough to steal it.
His only hope would have been a completely different coalition-style approach, with a Democratic running mate, probably with a side order of a far-left third party candidate financially propped by the GOP. I doubt that would have worked, either.
For the past twelve years the GOP has depended entirely upon less than one-quarter of the voting population to do virtually all of their heavy lifting, and it worked long enough for those voters to elect the people who would ensure that those voters would lose their jobs, their homes, their savings and their insurance.
Everyone else who had that happen to them learned a valuable lesson. They are not as indecisive as they were. They are not interested in third-way distractions designed to pare them from the emerging Democratic majority. Many of them understand that politics was never a beauty contest, but a life-or-death decision that can potentially tear apart families and break homes.
And never, not once in those twelve years (or, really, the decades going back to before the first Gilded Age), has a Republican actually defended their interests. Rather, they have gone out of their way to make our lives worse. The ruse has worn thin.
When enough Americans figure that out, it's going to be open season all year long on Republican politicians, and that will be the end of them for good. But for now, a simple defeat is the best we can expect. In four to eight years, we'll be worried about the same criminals, wearing a different sheep's hide.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Second banana couldn't help that.
Bake
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)brought the next biggest segment of Repubs with him.