2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTwitter Just Unleashed on Hillary Clinton and It Is Savage
From my face book feed yesterday.
Hillary Clinton is getting blasted on all sides from Twitter users, and many of the top tweets on the #DropOutHillary hashtag are coming from women and people of color two demographics that traditionally vote for the former Secretary of State over Bernie Sanders.
http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-twitter-dropouthillary/
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LWolf
(46,179 posts)an answer to your plea, lol?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)" Dr. Victoria Dooleys opposition to Clinton stems from her desire to provide affordable healthcare to patients, while Clinton has established herself as an opponent of Bernie Sanders call for universal healthcare coverage."
Hillary is for universal healthcare...Bernie is for single-payer.
Just another Hillary hater over the cliff.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)won't call the primary he should at least block this stuff from being posted.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Every right wing talking point, and lies, will be posted here to try and hurt her in the GE. Now why would any "REALl" Democrat, Liberal, or Progressive what to do that instead of helping the candidate they "think" is better actually win? Do you really think all the trash that gets posted here day in and day out about Clinton will change anyones minds about who to vote for?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But if it isn't changing any minds why be concerned? Especially when there's the block option.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)If it's bullshit, why sweat it?
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Flawless logic.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)among ourselves about who the better candidate would be and agreeing with conservative dark money agents that a Democrat (in this case Hillary) must not become president.
We know it has to be ultraconservative dark money paying for this because the GOP is not funding the candidacy of Trump, the dark money plutocrats are absolutely not funding Trump, and Trump himself is not funding hardly anything at all. Not yet.
The Kochs and those like them may have abandoned the presidency, but they will be working very hard to keep the nation and its hundreds of governments as extremist conservative as possible. They're not going to let all they've invested 30 years to build be destroyed just because this jumped-up anti-establishment candidate won't be promoting their ultraconservatism. They are fighting their own battle to save themselves from us.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Not even against trump.
These tweets are from those people. Not "dark money" agents.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Expect a constant barrage from here on out. People who can buy their chosen candidates into Senate seats with their chump change will be doing their best to convince millions of Democrats and others on the left to stay home on November 8.
These are the same people who brought us the astroturf "Tea Party" movement. That "populist" movement was, yes, full of sincerely fed-up people, but they and the rest of the nation had no idea that it was dark money agents operating secretly who channeled their anger into becoming organized and afterward funded and directed their activities to benefit the conservative billionaires pulling the strings from their estates.
vintx
(1,748 posts)which was probably started by her paid posters.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)even though she has supposedly been thoroughly vetted and is tough as nails. seems the only consistency in Hillary supporters and Hillary herself is inconsistency.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)candidates, and many people here are doing exactly the opposite. We are in the GE, the site is flooded with posters hostile to Democrats, and at least some censorship is in order.
Anti-Democrats would always be completely free to go join the freebers or any of a large number of anti-Democrat sites.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)So much for the claims she has been vetted if you fear those calling her out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The Dark Money forces are already heavily engaged. Hillary has shifted her schedule, funds and staff to the GE. It's happening.
And it's only May 5. Hillary almost certainly won't get 2383 delegates before June 7. That's a whole month the battle of the GE is on, while, according to you guys, we're supposed to pretend it's going to start on OUR timetable some time off in the future.
That future according to Sanders, of course, would be AFTER our national convention at the very end of July. So that's August! Two months away.
Two months of the forces on the right fighting to defeat hundreds of Democratic candidates for office while we're supposed to pretend it's not happening and watch Bernie duke it out with Hillary over the last few states? What do we do when we discover we're in trouble? Call foul? A giant chorus of, "It's not fair!!!"?
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)I'm thinking she needs to drop out. Possibly the worst candidate we have ever had. Considering she has been running since 2006 she should consider bowing out losing so often to an unknown a year ago. If it weren't for name recognition nobody would be buying the soap.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in preferring to lose everything rather than compromise and cooperate. That's a defining characteristic of extremists.
Remember how the Tea Partiers proudly destroyed not just themselves but any chance of achieving their stated goals through unwillingness to compromise even a little bit? Their counterparts in Bernie's camp are willing to do the same thing.
Over 80% of Bernie supporters are not zealots and will vote for the candidate she is, nothing further needed. Hopefully Bernie will make a deal after California at least, A FULL MONTH AWAY. Then he can step down, with or without asking his followers to vote for her, and the zealots can disperse to wherever they're going.
Unfortunately, the convention is TWO MONTHS AWAY, meaning if Bernie won't make a deal before then, he will be fighting the primary and double-teaming with Trump to tear her down for two whole months before conceding.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to ask us when we'd be ready to roll our canon out onto the field and trade shots, Arcane1. They engaged on their own. And so did the current unofficial but nevertheless real leader of our party, without waiting for a date still two months ahead on the calendar.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The Donald hasn't officially won the GOP nomination, but he's at the head of the GOP army, sort of. We're not sure who's following, but he's using the media in pretty much a constant enfilade aimed at us.
No one got a vote in the actions of the Dark Money Overlords, but they're bombarding America and intend to win. As far as they're concerned, only they have anything to say about it.
Hillary hasn't officially won the Democratic nomination, but war's on, so she's marshalled, marched forth, and engaged.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)I keep hearing about the importance of social media in this race, and while I don't tweet, I've been under the impression that twitter was a part of that, lol.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Social media has given everyone with access to a smart phone the impression that somehow the world is just itching for their wisdom, opinions or commentary.
Of course everyone knows the old line about opinions and a certain part of our anatomy. It also reinforces the truth that not all opinions are created equally.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Hillary Clinton, way ahead of Bernie Sanders in popular votes, delegates, super delegates and states won, finds herself in a twitter firestorm (snicker) after 250,000 uses of the twitter hashtag #dropouthillary is used on twitter.
Putting that massive (snicker) number in perspective:
250,000 is the number of times the hashtag has been used, not the number of twitter users who have used it. THAT number is likely considerably lower.
Many of the twitter users are anonymous, with no real indication of what political party they belong to, whether they're actually US citizens, registered voters or even old enough to vote.
Hillary Clinton currently leads Bernie Sanders by 3 MILLION REAL voters, including a significant amount of women and people of color.
#getrealbernie
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wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)You're making an n-sourced dubious claim.
* Clinton has won the female vote in every single primary except three Sen. Bernie Sanders' home state of Vermont, New Hampshire and Wisconsin, where Clinton lost but still was nearly even with Sanders.
* In every single state where exit polling was done, Clinton over-performed among women, meaning that she got a higher percentage of female voters than the individual primary electorates as a whole. That's true even in states she lost to Sanders.
* Further, in almost every primary state so far, Clinton has captured higher percentages of the female vote than she did in those same primaries in 2008, including in states that could decide the general election. In Virginia, for example, Clinton took 39 percent of the female Democratic primary vote in 2008, and 70 percent this year. In another swing state, Florida, Clinton's share of the female primary vote went from 54 percent to 70 percent. In Nevada, Clinton went from 51 percent of the female vote in 2008 to 57 percent in February's caucuses, and in North Carolina, she improved from 43 percent of women voters to 59 percent this year.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/women-may-decide-the-2016-election
Now who's spreading lies? You.
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wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)* Clinton has won the female vote in every single primary except three Sen. Bernie Sanders' home state of Vermont, New Hampshire and Wisconsin, where Clinton lost but still was nearly even with Sanders.
* In every single state where exit polling was done, Clinton over-performed among women, meaning that she got a higher percentage of female voters than the individual primary electorates as a whole. That's true even in states she lost to Sanders.
* Further, in almost every primary state so far, Clinton has captured higher percentages of the female vote than she did in those same primaries in 2008, including in states that could decide the general election. In Virginia, for example, Clinton took 39 percent of the female Democratic primary vote in 2008, and 70 percent this year. In another swing state, Florida, Clinton's share of the female primary vote went from 54 percent to 70 percent. In Nevada, Clinton went from 51 percent of the female vote in 2008 to 57 percent in February's caucuses, and in North Carolina, she improved from 43 percent of women voters to 59 percent this year.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/women-may-decide-the-2016-election
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Says who?
Oooooh - the twittersphere is upset. Get my smelling salts.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)a couple hundred or so tweets per minute
Demsrule86
(68,471 posts)Colluding in a twitter attack against Hillary...who would have expected this? I am shocked I tell you...why this is very significant.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #6)
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)ROTFLMAO
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Demsrule86
(68,471 posts)He is losing ugly. For someone who started the campaign as he did with lofty ideas...awful.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)that Bernie drop out since September.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23dropoutbernie
arikara
(5,562 posts)how its ok when they do it, but not so much when the other guys do the very same thing.
A little hypocritical but what's new?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)despite that their candidate takes it so serious that she purchased facebook followers.
The disconnect is really something isn't it?
for a crooked course.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)how many of them came out to put this particular hashtag down, while they've cheered on others.
It's only okay for ONE candidate to be encouraged to drop out.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)lol
pinebox
(5,761 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)But also, do they really want to further the notion that Sanders supporters online have a problem with being assholes?
That said, it's meaningless as while Sanders has been able to win the social media primary, Clinton has been winning the actual primaries.
Demsrule86
(68,471 posts)So true.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)160 million users of Facebook in the US alone (1.6 billion users monthly worldwide). 65 million active Twitter users.
This is a lot of people who are simple to reach and social media is a cheap way to have your message spread (or have a message spread against you). Social media is ignored and ridiculed at their own peril and it would behoove them to take it seriously as we roll into the GE. Otherwise, leave it to your crazy uncles to perpetuate misinformation to a growing audience.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Such a digital divide between the 2 camps. It really does say it all, doesn't it?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)tens of thousands show up. They didn't have time to advertise. That shows power.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)But it doesn't make it any less true that social media can make an incredible difference in who wins or loses a campaign. Hillary should probably lean over the table and ask Huma her thoughts on the power of social media.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)election with bodies at rallies? Or do we actually count votes? Feel free to ignore the 3 million more votes Hillary has gotten and I'll feel free to ignore the twitter universe having a hissy fit.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Additionally, caucuses have a lower direct representation simply based on their logistics. It would be simplistic to push a vote difference in that case which I am assuming is why it appeals to Hillary supporters.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)200+ pledged delegate lead that Bernie has no prayer of catching up to. Makes no difference to me which metric you want to use - Bernie is behind in all of them.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)She's still operating in pre-social-media mode...where her ill-considered blurts don't get immediately vetted and made viral. She's as pout of touch with the digital age as she is with working-class people.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Which is why they have invested heavily in it.
Bet they're realizing now that creating fake accounts and paying people to post in support of you isn't so effective.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)We've been watching this show for months.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)200,000 discontented Sanders supporters is a drop in the bucket and could be absorbed; the question is whether that is just very the tip of a mountainous iceberg unlikely to melt by Nov.
The process of being behind hasn't humbled Sanders supporters, nor has it, to this point, given them enough fear to accept what they see -not- as a lesser evil but someone comfortable with a -different- sort of evil. They are at this point merely more and more conscious of their dissatisfaction with the status quo and tptb.
Currently, there's really no way to assess the risk of Sanders supporters rejecting Clinton's outreach, because none has been offered. Rather, she appears poised to make the common pivot of Dem candidates to the right, in the decades old tradition of trying to strip her conservative opponent of support on the moderate right.
Oh, trianguation will thy trusty compass fail thee?
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Really?
News to me!
Skinner
(63,645 posts)Stop the presses!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Twitter has literally changed the world and toppled governments.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I never have. I recognize that it seems to have influence, though.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Two kids with chocolate frosting all over their faces, fighting for the last piece of cake, the cake falls to the floor and the dog ends up with the cake. The Sanders supporters prefer Trump over Clinton. That seems pretty undeniable at this point.
George II
(67,782 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Asking the frontrunner to drop out through a Twitter hashtag, then you should probably pack it in...
So why haven't the Emoprogs asked Trump to drop out as well?? Or does Anti-Hillary derangement override everything else??
By all means, if hashtags are all you Dudebros have left in your arsenal, go crazy...
LWolf
(46,179 posts)since I don't tweet or get tweets, except second or third or 4th or more hand from others who do.
I also can't be a "dudebro," as I am a woman. A fifty-six yo feminist who doesn't support Clinton, and isn't a millenial. Go figure.
But you just keep throwing it out there.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Since they're the ones who created and are spreading this hashtag, right??
Being a dudebro is a state of mind, not gender, Madam... And you've *got* to be a dudebro if you think a hashtag asking Hillary to drop out is a viable campaign tactic instead of the zenith of self-parody...
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Bye, Felicia...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)if we get stuck with President Trump I'm going to blame some people on the nutbar left who couldn't see past their Hillary hatred...
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)For being a shitty candidate.
LuvLoogie
(6,935 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Sexism from both sides.
Yup. I think you hit the nail on the head.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Y'all really need to stop crying "SEXISM!!!11!" At the drop of a hat.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)If anyone should drop out it sure aint Hillz.
vintx
(1,748 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The continual posting of right wing bullshit? No thanks - I'll leave that sewer to the Bernie supporters to wallow in.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I am sure Hillary is extremely scared of these people
Too bad tweets aren't votes.
I find it odd that the candidate who is winning gets told to drop out.
It seems that many Bernie supporters including many people here are completely detached from reality.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Social media has hastened the fall of governments, through many people brave enough to post.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/25/twitter-facebook-uprisings-arab-libya
iandhr
(6,852 posts)These people are just throwing a tantrum. Since when does the supporters of the loser get to demand the person who is winning drop out?
George II
(67,782 posts)...assailed, berated, etc.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)Don't you have a new line of attack or is dredging up old sh*t the only thing that makes you feel better that Bernie is losing the primaries?
Zambero
(8,962 posts)You heard it first. Per statistically valid Facebook feed, women, people of color, and those with the last name of Savage will be expressing outrage, crawling through broken glass in order to vote for Trump. I guess we should have seen this coming?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)They've been anti-Hillary central for so long now, I wonder if they will come around to her side if and when she gets the nomination and Bernie endorses her.
JSup
(740 posts)...conspiracy site.
Oh, 'alternative news'... if only you were actual news instead of having the integrity of 'Fox and Friends'; having to independently research every 'news' story gets exhausting.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Votes that count, not tweets!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Who gives a flying fig?
Bunch of sore losers who can't face the fact that their candidate will not be the nominee.
madamesilverspurs
(15,799 posts)But you get exactly ONE vote on election day -- and that's the only one that matters.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not Twitter!!!!!!!!!!!
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)leading by voter turnout,
Leading in pledged delegates,
leading in superdelegates,
leading in endorsements,
but.. admittedly.. losing in those cute online polls...
Yeah.. that's the candidate that should #dropout.
Keep on keeping on.. those are exactly the tactics that always wins Democratic voters over to your side...
seaglass
(8,171 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Asking for a friend...
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)I don't think it's gonna happen, lol.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)...full of twit.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)(Dear alert-stalkers: the above is SARCASM. It aims to parody the baseless accusations hurled by Clinton';s campaign at Sanders' supporters from the very beginning.)
synergie
(1,901 posts)Mythical creatures that you guys claim so not exist, and gave such interestinly short histories and similarities in name and content. Intriguing, no? The coordination us also well done.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)feelings.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)She's leading all candidates by every metric, and anyone calling for her to drop out is just a sore loser.
Dan
(3,539 posts)That the last perfect person on this planet was crucified...
LWolf
(46,179 posts)that most thinking people are aware that the person you refer to was not perfect, was just a man, but alas...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)as all the DUers calling for Sanders to drop out and/or sit down.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)So when do the person or persons unknown who started spreading this hashtag get around to #DropOutDonald?
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'm glad it was never you.
And while I'd be thrilled to see a movement gather to force Trump out, who would replace that last man standing? I won't tempt fate by saying it couldn't be worse, but...