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pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:34 PM May 2016

Cash Crunch Complicates Bernie Sanders’ California Comeback Dreams

Bernie Sanders is banking on a California miracle to propel him to the Democratic nomination, which is why his decline in fundraising could not have come at a worse time.

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In no state is money more crucial for a candidate than in California. Its sheer size, in both geography and population, makes running here a ridiculously expensive endeavor. Its media markets are some of the most costly in the world, and candidates who try to sidestep big ad buys typically fail to convey their message to key segments of the electorate.

So now is a poor time for a precipitous drop in cash flow for Sanders. Amid a string of big losses to front-runner Hillary Clinton in April, Sanders’ fundraising for the month fell to $25.8 million — which would seem a significant amount, except that in both February and March, he raised nearly $20 million more.

At the same time, he has been burning through his cash far more quickly than Clinton, outspending her in many of the big states he lost. Sanders has not yet reported his spending for April, but he likely spent well more than he raised based on the amount of airtime purchased, the size of his campaign’s payroll, and the other expenses the campaign has in a typical month.


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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/05/cash-crunch-complicates-bernie-sanders-california-comeback-dreams.html

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Cash Crunch Complicates Bernie Sanders’ California Comeback Dreams (Original Post) pdsimdars May 2016 OP
Sanders has no path to the nomination Gothmog May 2016 #1
Nah, my $ to Sanders is for building a post-election movement to ream the Democratic Party. Eleanors38 May 2016 #3
Stupid, stupid, stupid way to want to act. Hortensis May 2016 #6
stupid stupid response passiveporcupine May 2016 #9
Must be an echo in here. nt Eleanors38 May 2016 #17
"Just so YOU know:" My reaming will include those who are center-right corporatists... Eleanors38 May 2016 #16
Nope. Not because I'm not that but because that Hortensis May 2016 #22
Lotta gobble-d-gook there, Hortensis. Ain't "fixin" a thing. Vote Canova! Eleanors38 May 2016 #25
I would have bet my checkbook on it, E38. Hortensis May 2016 #27
Write your stuff for whoever. Radical? Bernie is LBJ with a 4-barrel carburetor. Eleanors38 May 2016 #28
Policy on its own isn't what defines radicals. Hortensis May 2016 #30
Tough overhaul of political institutions, beginning with parties, isn't radical. Eleanors38 May 2016 #35
No, it's not. Reaming is. We don't ream people. Hortensis May 2016 #38
Reaming: It's called out-voting the opposition at all Party levels. Eleanors38 May 2016 #39
No. But if you're giving up profoundly offensive Hortensis May 2016 #40
"Profoundly offensive and degradation metaphors:" This seems to be your concern: Tone. Eleanors38 May 2016 #42
reaming the Dems instead of helping get a majority in congress? bettyellen May 2016 #8
Getting independents to the polls for Bernie best way to help down-ticket dems snowy owl May 2016 #11
Clinton's voters are voting the downticket- SBS's voters not. Indeed, it is not rocket science..... bettyellen May 2016 #12
Michigan proved that isn't true obamanut2012 May 2016 #15
An ‘enormous drop-off’ hurt down-ballot Dems in Wisconsin Gothmog May 2016 #29
Also. Both candidates were asked to say something about Feingold only Clinton did DLCWIdem May 2016 #43
Which was reflected in the votes cast or not caste Gothmog May 2016 #45
Well, I'm supporting Tim Canova against the DINO DWS. How about you? Eleanors38 May 2016 #19
Good! I have a local candidate that I am helping. Will likely choose another out of state bettyellen May 2016 #21
How much money do you think is going to be left? nt msanthrope May 2016 #33
sinking enid602 May 2016 #2
He probably saw a spike after IN nt firebrand80 May 2016 #4
Kick for money bomb! GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #5
Sending some tomorrow! redwitch May 2016 #7
Just another reason to send another donation. passiveporcupine May 2016 #10
He'll be fine! Wonderful so many are so very, very, merrily concerned! nc4bo May 2016 #13
I send at the begining and in the middle of the month. pdsimdars May 2016 #14
I'm on auto-deduct. n/t libdem4life May 2016 #18
I just sent another donation. PotatoChip May 2016 #20
Lack of funding is also one of his greatest strengths. Orsino May 2016 #23
Hopefully this news spurs lots of his supporters to send in some $ vintx May 2016 #24
Just donated again. onecaliberal May 2016 #26
PoliticusUSA must have a Cash Crunch--they, like Huffington Post, don't pay for most contributions! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #31
I donated the day after Indiana magical thyme May 2016 #32
This is why big states like CA and NY are at the tail end of the process. Yavin4 May 2016 #34
I haven't gotten an email from him in 2 days. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #36
I'll reply with all the seriousness this OP was made in angrychair May 2016 #37
Thanks for the reminder - TBF May 2016 #41
Jus gave some more. Thanks! sadoldgirl May 2016 #44

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
1. Sanders has no path to the nomination
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

Sanders is wasting his donors' money right now. He will not be the nominee and this is really an exercise in his own vanity

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Stupid, stupid, stupid way to want to act.
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

A post-election movement was a fine and inspiring thought. For half a second, I thought, "Okay!"

But imagining that "reaming" a membership that outnumbers you by at least 10:1 is going to result in anything but failure is stupid, stupid, stupid.

You've already lost my support. And so quickly and easily.

Go make your own party. One warning: People who see "reaming" others as a means of influencing them have a way of ending up reaming each other and falling out, and apart. Just so you know.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
16. "Just so YOU know:" My reaming will include those who are center-right corporatists...
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

Do you feel threatened?



There are millions -- beyind either you are me -- who want a party which will put up a clear agenda against the Far Right with candidates who support that agenda. And you are hearing from them right now in this campaign. And I WILL donate more money in that cause.

You know, now?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Nope. Not because I'm not that but because that
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

attitude is doomed to failure. Go fix yourself, E38.

First item is your profound deficit in respect for the rights, beliefs and wishes of others. Replace the contempt and no doubt gratifying but mistaken sense of superiority with an understanding of common beliefs and goals and the need for respectful cooperation to achieve them.

Otherwise, the only ones who are going to get "reamed" are those who imagine their great virtue gives them a right to push others around. And, btw, that always happens -- those whose righteousness is never appreciated by others always end up self-marginalized while the others go on about their, and the nation's, business.

That is also the main reason why the wanna-be reamers have never been able to build a successful party of their own, much less elbow aside the liberals and take over the Democratic Party. They don't respect each other either, they regard cooperation as a dirty word, and they end up fighting internally over minutiae and falling apart.

Take a lesson.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. I would have bet my checkbook on it, E38.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

I write these things for others reading these posts so they understand some of the differences between liberals and radicals and why this forum is so exceptionally contentious.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
28. Write your stuff for whoever. Radical? Bernie is LBJ with a 4-barrel carburetor.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016


If some here are so rad, what do you think of FDR? Is he a little too hot for you?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Policy on its own isn't what defines radicals.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

It's extreme attitudes and behaviors in pursuit of changes/policies, which may or may not themselves be genuinely extreme rather than just out beyond the mainstream (like Bernie's). Some liberals actually support policies to the left of Bernie's, are greens and various types of socialists for instance, but the means they would use to achieve their goals, where they would draw lines, and their attitudes toward those of other ideologies is tremendously different. Notably they lack the potential for the absolutist and authoritarian behaviors seen in most extremists. They are the anti-authoritarians.

You mentioned FDR -- great example. Both liberal and conservative progressives worked with a very establishment FDR to create the New Deal. Left wing radical progressives quarreled with him and the rest of them (because they wanted far more comprehensive change than the much larger majorities would agree too, couldn't compromise, and became hostile and troublesome) and ended up mostly marginalized and out of it. They did form their own party and run their own candidate in an attempt to derail FDR and the New Deal, but as is too typical their party fell apart from internal disagreements (due to that intrinsic intolerance of other opinions, they don't do factions well) before long.

A classic example of the working difference between radicals/extremists and liberals and other more moderately behaved types.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
35. Tough overhaul of political institutions, beginning with parties, isn't radical.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

Nor is it extreme. For too long the Democratic Party has drifted to the right, and dropped its support of the working class and unions; it has made peace with corporate power and thus no longer provides meaningful opposition to this overwhelming sector in our economy and culture. The GOP is an institutional arm of corporate power; the Democrats are vying for that position. Continuing to allow that drift -- some 40 years, now -- has greatly contributed to declining prosperity, poor job prospects, and educational indebtedness; it has weakened the resolve to both defend gains in our social safety net and a woman's right to choose, and worst of all removed progressives as a player in trying to resolve the severe problems of violence and incarceration in our society (it seems reactionary politics have succeeded in legitimizing, even for post-progressives, the narrow avenues of law enforcement, prohibition and culture war as the only means for social change).

This is what is infuriating many millions of Americans: one party affirmatively acts on its "authoritarianism;" the other has given up on meaningful ways of changing the way we do things, weakening itself in the eyes of its opposition. (It should be no wonder that the Party has no leverage negotiating with the GOP. This is NO LONGER the party of FDR.) I will continue to actively work for fundamental change, as I hope those other millions will. To do less is irresponsible and unreasonable. Respectfully, remember this: To persist in supporting an increasingly calcified and inert system is in itself a form of extremism.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. No, it's not. Reaming is. We don't ream people.
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

It's not only extremely counterproductive, it's way beyond the pale.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
39. Reaming: It's called out-voting the opposition at all Party levels.
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

I think it is a measure of how brittle and self-absorbed much of the political climate has become when we rest great meaning on the thin backbone of a tool metaphor.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. No. But if you're giving up profoundly offensive
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

anal degradation metaphors, that's good as far as it goes. The next step, though, is to dredge up enough empathy to understand that the opinions and wishes of those who disagree with you also matter, and usually have some validity in some way. They have to be recognized, considered and agreements on how to achieve mutual goals cooperated on, and not just because the various "other" groups outnumber yours many times over.

Those who can empathize and compromise are not true radicals or extremists by personality but probably just influenced by some who are.

If that's not possible, I'd embrace it and just try to be a good one, if it were in me. The positive aspirations of radicals, extremists, zealots, whatever they're called, need to remain much larger than their subsequent hostility toward opponents who won't fall in line and admit the superiority of their ideology. Keeping to sympathetic far-left forums would probably help.

“The radicals are really always saying the same thing. They do not change; everybody else changes. They are accused of the most incompatible crimes, of egoism and mania for power, indifference to the fate of their own cause, fanaticism, triviality, want of humor, buffoonery and irreverence. But they sound a certain note. Hence the great practical power of consistent radicals. To all appearance nobody follows them, yet everyone believes them. They hold a tuning-fork and sound A, and everybody knows it really is A, though the time-honored pitch is G flat. The community cannot get that A out of its head. Nothing can prevent an upward tendency in the popular tone so long as the real A is kept sounding.” ― John Jay Chapman


When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative.”Martin Luther King, Jr.
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
42. "Profoundly offensive and degradation metaphors:" This seems to be your concern: Tone.
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

Respectfully, this is small potatoes. Reaming out means to change the direction of the Party, and that means changing the people who are in "leadership" positions. Even in the center-corporatist Democratic Party there are Elections for doing just that.

I'm sorry, but Chapman sounds more than a little extreme to me. His views certainly don't apply to me and the people I know. I'll go with MLK.

By and large, you seem to have erected a pre-packaged strawman.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
8. reaming the Dems instead of helping get a majority in congress?
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

fuck that. SBS should be splitting his print ads with good downticket candidates, and featuring them in his rallies.
Otherwise his run in nothing more than symbolic.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. Clinton's voters are voting the downticket- SBS's voters not. Indeed, it is not rocket science.....
Thu May 5, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

but it is also not happening, the votes for him or the votes for his few publicized proteges.

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
29. An ‘enormous drop-off’ hurt down-ballot Dems in Wisconsin
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

It was the Sanders voters who failed to vote down ballot in Wisconsin and so allowed a homophobic Scott Walker appointee to win a race for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/enormous-drop-hurt-down-ballot-dems-wisconsin


So what went wrong for the left? The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel published an interesting report today on an important analysis of the election results.

Bradley won the election, a surprise to Democrats. This morning, some progressives picked a culprit: voters who cast ballots for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and left the rest of their ballots blank. According to exit polling conducted by the independent group DecisionDesk and BenchMark Politics, perhaps 15 percent of Sanders voters skipped the Bradley-Kloppenburg race; just 4 percent of Hillary Clinton voters did the same.

“There was an enormous drop-off,” said Brandon Finnigin of DecisionDesk. “There was a substantial number of voters in that voted for Sanders, then for nothing else.

It’s important to emphasize that while Sanders has been criticized for raising money for himself, and not for other candidates, Democratic campaign committees, or state parties, he did endorse Kloppenburg over Bradley. Hillary Clinton also focused attention on the state Supreme Court fight, telling a Milwaukee audience over the weekend, “There is no place on any Supreme Court or any court in this country, no place at all for Rebecca Bradley’s decades-long track record of dangerous rhetoric against women, survivors of sexual assault and the LGBT community.”

The Sanders campaign has been solely about Sanders. Sanders does not care about down ballot candidates which is why few if any super delegates will be supporting him
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
19. Well, I'm supporting Tim Canova against the DINO DWS. How about you?
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

He is a Democrat, isn't he? Can we count on your support?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. Good! I have a local candidate that I am helping. Will likely choose another out of state
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

campaign to help as well, Canova will make my list of possibilities- thanks! I am all about trying to get good people in seats that could be contested. It is rare we have any local action where I live, so I usually pick up a candidate here.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
23. Lack of funding is also one of his greatest strengths.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

Had he grabbed the easy money, there would have been little poiint to his running at all.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
31. PoliticusUSA must have a Cash Crunch--they, like Huffington Post, don't pay for most contributions!
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:11 PM
May 2016

.


Oh, but you get the privilege of having your content restricted to only your blog and theirs.

It's a "Help Wanted" cattle call, with bloggers freely contributing their works, the new model of not paying!


And people wonder why the writing industry is imploding--because sites expect to pay nothing, like so many today!



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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
32. I donated the day after Indiana
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

and my autodeduct hit within a couple days of that.

Opposite of last month, lol, when my autodeduct hit and then I threw an extra few in within a couple days.

The must be thrilled to see their handiwork take root.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
34. This is why big states like CA and NY are at the tail end of the process.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

If CA were earlier, or even first, candidates would have to raise a ton of money very early on to compete there. With IA and NH, candidates can compete even without raising huge sums of cash.

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