2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCash Crunch Complicates Bernie Sanders’ California Comeback Dreams
Bernie Sanders is banking on a California miracle to propel him to the Democratic nomination, which is why his decline in fundraising could not have come at a worse time.
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In no state is money more crucial for a candidate than in California. Its sheer size, in both geography and population, makes running here a ridiculously expensive endeavor. Its media markets are some of the most costly in the world, and candidates who try to sidestep big ad buys typically fail to convey their message to key segments of the electorate.
So now is a poor time for a precipitous drop in cash flow for Sanders. Amid a string of big losses to front-runner Hillary Clinton in April, Sanders fundraising for the month fell to $25.8 million which would seem a significant amount, except that in both February and March, he raised nearly $20 million more.
At the same time, he has been burning through his cash far more quickly than Clinton, outspending her in many of the big states he lost. Sanders has not yet reported his spending for April, but he likely spent well more than he raised based on the amount of airtime purchased, the size of his campaigns payroll, and the other expenses the campaign has in a typical month.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/05/cash-crunch-complicates-bernie-sanders-california-comeback-dreams.html
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)Sanders is wasting his donors' money right now. He will not be the nominee and this is really an exercise in his own vanity
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)A post-election movement was a fine and inspiring thought. For half a second, I thought, "Okay!"
But imagining that "reaming" a membership that outnumbers you by at least 10:1 is going to result in anything but failure is stupid, stupid, stupid.
You've already lost my support. And so quickly and easily.
Go make your own party. One warning: People who see "reaming" others as a means of influencing them have a way of ending up reaming each other and falling out, and apart. Just so you know.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Do you feel threatened?
There are millions -- beyind either you are me -- who want a party which will put up a clear agenda against the Far Right with candidates who support that agenda. And you are hearing from them right now in this campaign. And I WILL donate more money in that cause.
You know, now?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)attitude is doomed to failure. Go fix yourself, E38.
First item is your profound deficit in respect for the rights, beliefs and wishes of others. Replace the contempt and no doubt gratifying but mistaken sense of superiority with an understanding of common beliefs and goals and the need for respectful cooperation to achieve them.
Otherwise, the only ones who are going to get "reamed" are those who imagine their great virtue gives them a right to push others around. And, btw, that always happens -- those whose righteousness is never appreciated by others always end up self-marginalized while the others go on about their, and the nation's, business.
That is also the main reason why the wanna-be reamers have never been able to build a successful party of their own, much less elbow aside the liberals and take over the Democratic Party. They don't respect each other either, they regard cooperation as a dirty word, and they end up fighting internally over minutiae and falling apart.
Take a lesson.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I write these things for others reading these posts so they understand some of the differences between liberals and radicals and why this forum is so exceptionally contentious.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)If some here are so rad, what do you think of FDR? Is he a little too hot for you?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's extreme attitudes and behaviors in pursuit of changes/policies, which may or may not themselves be genuinely extreme rather than just out beyond the mainstream (like Bernie's). Some liberals actually support policies to the left of Bernie's, are greens and various types of socialists for instance, but the means they would use to achieve their goals, where they would draw lines, and their attitudes toward those of other ideologies is tremendously different. Notably they lack the potential for the absolutist and authoritarian behaviors seen in most extremists. They are the anti-authoritarians.
You mentioned FDR -- great example. Both liberal and conservative progressives worked with a very establishment FDR to create the New Deal. Left wing radical progressives quarreled with him and the rest of them (because they wanted far more comprehensive change than the much larger majorities would agree too, couldn't compromise, and became hostile and troublesome) and ended up mostly marginalized and out of it. They did form their own party and run their own candidate in an attempt to derail FDR and the New Deal, but as is too typical their party fell apart from internal disagreements (due to that intrinsic intolerance of other opinions, they don't do factions well) before long.
A classic example of the working difference between radicals/extremists and liberals and other more moderately behaved types.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Nor is it extreme. For too long the Democratic Party has drifted to the right, and dropped its support of the working class and unions; it has made peace with corporate power and thus no longer provides meaningful opposition to this overwhelming sector in our economy and culture. The GOP is an institutional arm of corporate power; the Democrats are vying for that position. Continuing to allow that drift -- some 40 years, now -- has greatly contributed to declining prosperity, poor job prospects, and educational indebtedness; it has weakened the resolve to both defend gains in our social safety net and a woman's right to choose, and worst of all removed progressives as a player in trying to resolve the severe problems of violence and incarceration in our society (it seems reactionary politics have succeeded in legitimizing, even for post-progressives, the narrow avenues of law enforcement, prohibition and culture war as the only means for social change).
This is what is infuriating many millions of Americans: one party affirmatively acts on its "authoritarianism;" the other has given up on meaningful ways of changing the way we do things, weakening itself in the eyes of its opposition. (It should be no wonder that the Party has no leverage negotiating with the GOP. This is NO LONGER the party of FDR.) I will continue to actively work for fundamental change, as I hope those other millions will. To do less is irresponsible and unreasonable. Respectfully, remember this: To persist in supporting an increasingly calcified and inert system is in itself a form of extremism.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's not only extremely counterproductive, it's way beyond the pale.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I think it is a measure of how brittle and self-absorbed much of the political climate has become when we rest great meaning on the thin backbone of a tool metaphor.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)anal degradation metaphors, that's good as far as it goes. The next step, though, is to dredge up enough empathy to understand that the opinions and wishes of those who disagree with you also matter, and usually have some validity in some way. They have to be recognized, considered and agreements on how to achieve mutual goals cooperated on, and not just because the various "other" groups outnumber yours many times over.
Those who can empathize and compromise are not true radicals or extremists by personality but probably just influenced by some who are.
If that's not possible, I'd embrace it and just try to be a good one, if it were in me. The positive aspirations of radicals, extremists, zealots, whatever they're called, need to remain much larger than their subsequent hostility toward opponents who won't fall in line and admit the superiority of their ideology. Keeping to sympathetic far-left forums would probably help.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Respectfully, this is small potatoes. Reaming out means to change the direction of the Party, and that means changing the people who are in "leadership" positions. Even in the center-corporatist Democratic Party there are Elections for doing just that.
I'm sorry, but Chapman sounds more than a little extreme to me. His views certainly don't apply to me and the people I know. I'll go with MLK.
By and large, you seem to have erected a pre-packaged strawman.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)fuck that. SBS should be splitting his print ads with good downticket candidates, and featuring them in his rallies.
Otherwise his run in nothing more than symbolic.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Hardly rocket science
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but it is also not happening, the votes for him or the votes for his few publicized proteges.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Gothmog
(145,481 posts)It was the Sanders voters who failed to vote down ballot in Wisconsin and so allowed a homophobic Scott Walker appointee to win a race for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/enormous-drop-hurt-down-ballot-dems-wisconsin
So what went wrong for the left? The Washington Posts Dave Weigel published an interesting report today on an important analysis of the election results.
Bradley won the election, a surprise to Democrats. This morning, some progressives picked a culprit: voters who cast ballots for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and left the rest of their ballots blank. According to exit polling conducted by the independent group DecisionDesk and BenchMark Politics, perhaps 15 percent of Sanders voters skipped the Bradley-Kloppenburg race; just 4 percent of Hillary Clinton voters did the same.
There was an enormous drop-off, said Brandon Finnigin of DecisionDesk. There was a substantial number of voters in that voted for Sanders, then for nothing else.
Its important to emphasize that while Sanders has been criticized for raising money for himself, and not for other candidates, Democratic campaign committees, or state parties, he did endorse Kloppenburg over Bradley. Hillary Clinton also focused attention on the state Supreme Court fight, telling a Milwaukee audience over the weekend, There is no place on any Supreme Court or any court in this country, no place at all for Rebecca Bradleys decades-long track record of dangerous rhetoric against women, survivors of sexual assault and the LGBT community.
The Sanders campaign has been solely about Sanders. Sanders does not care about down ballot candidates which is why few if any super delegates will be supporting him
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Gothmog
(145,481 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)He is a Democrat, isn't he? Can we count on your support?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)campaign to help as well, Canova will make my list of possibilities- thanks! I am all about trying to get good people in seats that could be contested. It is rare we have any local action where I live, so I usually pick up a candidate here.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)enid602
(8,642 posts)Proof that berners see the ship is sinking.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)redwitch
(14,946 posts)I have so loved his fundraising without the Pacs!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Need to do it today. Thanks for reminding me.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Thanks for the reminder.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Had he grabbed the easy money, there would have been little poiint to his running at all.
vintx
(1,748 posts)onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)TheBlackAdder
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magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and my autodeduct hit within a couple days of that.
Opposite of last month, lol, when my autodeduct hit and then I threw an extra few in within a couple days.
The must be thrilled to see their handiwork take root.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)If CA were earlier, or even first, candidates would have to raise a ton of money very early on to compete there. With IA and NH, candidates can compete even without raising huge sums of cash.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)They are a reminder fro me.
angrychair
(8,732 posts)TBF
(32,084 posts)I'm nearly at the max but I can still donate a little more.