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wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:07 PM May 2016

WAPO: scant evidence against Hillary, no indication of grand jury, claims by Guccifer dismissed

Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules.

FBI agents on the case have been joined by federal prosecutors from the same office that successfully prosecuted 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui — and who would handle any Edward Snowden case, should he ever return to the country, according to the U.S. officials familiar with the matter. And in recent weeks, prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of Virginia and their FBI counterparts have been interviewing top Clinton aides as they seek to bring the case to a close.

The involvement of the U.S. Attorney’s Office is not indicative that charges are imminent or even likely. One official said prosecutors are wrestling with the question of whether Clinton intended to violate the rules, and so far, the evidence seemed to indicate she did not.

There is no indication a grand jury has been convened in the case.

U.S. officials also dismissed claims by a Romanian hacker now facing federal charges in Virginia that he was able to breach Clinton’s personal email server. The officials said investigators have found no evidence to support the assertion by Marcel Lehel Lazar to Fox News and others, and they believed if he had accessed Clinton’s emails, he would have released them — as he did when he got into accounts of other high-profile people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
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WAPO: scant evidence against Hillary, no indication of grand jury, claims by Guccifer dismissed (Original Post) wyldwolf May 2016 OP
I don't think anyone in this country is surprised. George II May 2016 #1
No, but there are a number of people here who are desperately hoping for an indictment mythology May 2016 #24
And they're having the SADZ now. BlueCaliDem May 2016 #30
No "intent to mishandle" found. Unfortunately, there are other factors. pat_k May 2016 #2
Nathan Sales...worked in Homeland under Bush...writes for the national review quite often. Demsrule86 May 2016 #18
I appreciate the info on the source. pat_k May 2016 #21
I know how badly Bernie supporters want their own reality, politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #19
Thanks for the insight. pat_k May 2016 #22
Just who are these unnamed officials? nt NWCorona May 2016 #3
the article admits she broke laws/just wether she did knowingly questionseverything May 2016 #27
OMG ucrdem May 2016 #4
I am hearing that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is one of the 'anonymous officials' AgingAmerican May 2016 #5
Adjust your tinfoil, then the voices will go away. nt procon May 2016 #7
So you cannot confirm otherwise? AgingAmerican May 2016 #8
Can you confirm you didn't make that up right now? Adrahil May 2016 #9
Breaking: Confirmed! AgingAmerican May 2016 #11
That's what I thought. Adrahil May 2016 #12
Do you have inside info on just who these alleged 'officials' are? AgingAmerican May 2016 #14
No. I'm sure the WaPo just made them up. Expect an indictment tomorrow. Adrahil May 2016 #16
The WaPo is just repeating CNN AgingAmerican May 2016 #17
Clap your hands!! Adrahil May 2016 #20
This too: "Anne Gearan and Adam Goldman contributed to this report." Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #10
Yawn, because it is so NOT surprising. nt BootinUp May 2016 #6
meanwhile back in Bernieville CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #13
Lol!! oasis May 2016 #25
Oh dear. Do we have enough buckets to catch all the tears that will fall? grossproffit May 2016 #15
Good. I hope these leaks are accurate and this gets wrapped up soon. morningfog May 2016 #23
Now it's gone from US officials to FBI officials Press Virginia May 2016 #26
You don't have to have malicious intent Aerows May 2016 #28
So, Clinton's defense has morphed to: She broke the law, but she didn't understand that law. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #29

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
30. And they're having the SADZ now.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016


I knew from the start there's no there 'there'. Just more Republican attempts to smear a Clinton since they've got nothing but losers on their side - and the biggest one just won the title of the presumptive nominee. Bwaaahahaha!

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
2. No "intent to mishandle" found. Unfortunately, there are other factors.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

The likelihood of an indictment is not zero. The chances may be tiny, but factors other than intent may come into play.

Nathan Sales, an associate law professor at Syracuse University, disagrees with Lowell's and others' assessment. "Many scholars and lawyers think it's unlikely. I'm actually kind of in the minority on this," Sales says. "But, based on what we do know so far, I think there is a not insignificant chance that a grand jury could look at the facts and say, 'Actually, she may have violated various laws protecting classified information.'"

Sales points to the Petraeus case in particular, noting that the former CIA head did not, in the end, plead guilty to charges related to sharing classified information with his mistress and biographer, but rather to those related to him keeping the information in a desk drawer inside his home. "The conduct that is being investigated [in Clinton's case] — keeping the documents on an unclassified server — that's kind of the digital equivalent of locking it in your desk drawer, which is ultimately what did in General Petraeus," he says.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/what-should-we-make-of-the-hillary-clinton-indictment-speculation-20160503#ixzz47pDlWWxL

Demsrule86

(68,683 posts)
18. Nathan Sales...worked in Homeland under Bush...writes for the national review quite often.
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:46 PM
May 2016

Wrote pretty much the same story a while back...rightie with an agenda. National Review is a right-wing rag. Always check your sources unless you want to mislead or something.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421896/criminal-or-not-hillary-clintons-e-mails-are-national-security-risk-nathan-sales

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
19. I know how badly Bernie supporters want their own reality,
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

but those dirty little things, we call FACTS, just keep getting in the way. The FBI, the people who are investigating the case, have found no evidence of any "intent to mishandle". Sorry that the facts keep getting in the way.

And for those who want to keep comparing this to Gen Petraeus' case, Gen Pertraeus intentionally gave classified files to his mistress (an unauthorized person) during pillowtalk. The fact that they settled on a lessor charge would seem to me that they spared him from the embarrassment that he had coming. Gen Petraeus' affair actually began when he was the Supreme Commander of all US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Simply having an affair as a military officer was grounds for court martial while in the military. All troops deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan were instructed that any sex of any kind while in Iraq and Afghanistan was subject to prosecution under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). I know this because I worked for the DoD and we sent civilian government employees over there and they were briefed before they were deployed than anyone caught having sexual relations of any kind while there, even civilians, could be prosecuted under the UCMJ. Gen Petraeus as the highest ranking Officer and leader of all Iraq to have violated that order would have had to face some disciplinary action for violating the rule against NO sex, and for having an affair which is punishable under the UCMJ. I know that his conviction was while he was the CIA Director, but during their investigation of his giving classified documents to his mistress, it came out that his mistress was present and the affair was ongoing while he was still in the military. The fact that they let him plead guilty to a lessor charge was obviously a face saving mechanism, but I'm sure that there were stipulations which came with it, which the world will never know.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
5. I am hearing that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is one of the 'anonymous officials'
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

Can you confirm otherwise?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
10. This too: "Anne Gearan and Adam Goldman contributed to this report."
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

Both are big Clinton cheerleaders on MSNBC and elsewhere. Hmm, I wonder what they contributed?

The only facts in this article are what were already known, the rest is opinion by anonymous sources -- the typical spin we have seen all along. It means zip.

When the FBI reports in, the credibility of all these spinners will be shot forever. That will be an added plus, weeding out the liars from those who are objective.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. You don't have to have malicious intent
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:37 PM
May 2016

if you get behind the wheel after you have been drinking for it to be a crime.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
29. So, Clinton's defense has morphed to: She broke the law, but she didn't understand that law. (nt)
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:37 PM
May 2016
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