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cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:18 PM May 2016

The discussion we should be having is is about Sid.

Now why would a woman working for the Obama administration take it upon herself to defy the President of the United States of America and surreptitiously exchange secret information with someone the President specifically forbade her from hiring....and I forget....did the Clinton foundation PAY Blumenthal for his 'work'?

I value loyalty above many things. She is, at the very least disloyal when it suits her need, or in the case of Blumenthal, her want.

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The discussion we should be having is is about Sid. (Original Post) cliffordu May 2016 OP
Let's see how long it takes before the arrows start to fly. floriduck May 2016 #1
Burlington!!!11!1!! Doctor_J May 2016 #3
Thanks! Preemptive 'look a squirrel' cliffordu May 2016 #10
JANEGHAZI!!!11!!1 QC May 2016 #69
Hahahahahah cliffordu May 2016 #97
I don't care. Enough corporatistas, cliffordu May 2016 #4
Absolutely. jwirr May 2016 #11
Trump's keeping his powder dry. vintx May 2016 #2
Hillary sent him classified information. That is a felony. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #5
It's just one issue of many Hydra May 2016 #6
Sid was paid $120,000/year grasswire May 2016 #7
Yep, and his only hope to ultimately get out of this is... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #78
I think they have been trying to re-frame him, too grasswire May 2016 #79
What was media matters paying Sid for? n/t 2banon May 2016 #92
Link? I don't know what you are talking about.. nt Henhouse May 2016 #8
Try to keep up. It's been in every post about this cliffordu May 2016 #9
So you don't have a link to reputable site...No problem..nt Henhouse May 2016 #12
Try post 7. Googles is also your freind. cliffordu May 2016 #16
Sorry....don't have a post #7...poster must be on ignore... Henhouse May 2016 #24
Small wonder you're on ignore. cliffordu May 2016 #28
Me too...It's comedic relief. libdem4life May 2016 #53
They start at the conclusion, and then zig zag backwards as needed. JoePhilly May 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #41
Oh that Sid.... Henhouse May 2016 #48
I am not sure if the NWS tracks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #76
Bunker mentality is on both sides now nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #77
Here Bob-o the Clown May 2016 #34
Darned it Cliff. In_The_Wind May 2016 #13
Yes, I started that, but cliffordu May 2016 #15
Mee too! After all, he deserves it. angstlessk May 2016 #19
I was like "Dayyyyymmmmm , $120k per year for ROFL wrangling? I'm in the wrong business" Hassin Bin Sober May 2016 #23
ROFLAO bahrbearian May 2016 #25
Not just that. Rec'cing threads for "pissing off the right people" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #36
Is it true that he collects a royalty QC May 2016 #70
I'm still trying to get past "ROFL wrangling" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #96
That dude's been on my ignore list for so long, I almost forgot him Ned_Devine May 2016 #84
^^ this ^^ Hiraeth May 2016 #87
As my Dad says... Ned_Devine May 2016 #89
heh. I like it. Hiraeth May 2016 #91
you did it again.. 2banon May 2016 #94
Yes indeed. And why would a Sec of State encourage seeking leaks from the CIA?? HereSince1628 May 2016 #14
Yep cliffordu May 2016 #17
and yet people support her thinking she will protect Obama. grasswire May 2016 #81
Actually, we should be discussing issues that actually matter, like the environment, YouDig May 2016 #20
That wasn't even a nice try. cliffordu May 2016 #21
Obviously you don't want to discuss any real issues, no surprise. YouDig May 2016 #22
I was talking about the dig in the last sentence. cliffordu May 2016 #26
Sounds ghastly Demsrule86 May 2016 #33
I thrive in my little life. cliffordu May 2016 #39
How beautiful. I am humbled in admiration. I try to have the lightest footprint I can but you are JudyM May 2016 #56
It's very difficult to start... cliffordu May 2016 #58
Inspired to continue more intensely on the journey. JudyM May 2016 #60
Yep. We are killing ourselves in our own detritus. cliffordu May 2016 #65
Obviously Hillary doesn't want to talk about issues since shes hiding form a debate? bahrbearian May 2016 #27
....for the win....! cliffordu May 2016 #29
who wants to debate the loser? WhiteTara May 2016 #82
Now you want to talk about issues? smiley May 2016 #66
Sid as a campaign issue probably ranks below funding for the Cheney museum. ucrdem May 2016 #30
Desperate and hysterical Demsrule86 May 2016 #31
Lol. Another participation ribbon denied....! cliffordu May 2016 #35
Her judgment is the/my #1 issue. elleng May 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #62
Yes, NOT something anyone can rely on, elleng May 2016 #63
Bernie demanding the bank give money to Jane WhiteTara May 2016 #37
"Demanding" cliffordu May 2016 #42
Jane got the money WhiteTara May 2016 #44
Did you just change what we were talking about? cliffordu May 2016 #47
Jane did get a very handsome payout when she was fired WhiteTara May 2016 #52
Since this whole thread is pretty much bashing HRC with RW talking points... Henhouse May 2016 #61
Oh Saint Bernard WhiteTara May 2016 #64
Nice! Did you make that video yourself? Great editing and graphics Ned_Devine May 2016 #85
Why do you keep talking about Bernie? lostnfound May 2016 #75
"don't hire him" doesn't equate to "you can't talk to him" Tarc May 2016 #38
When you're sharing secret information with someone cliffordu May 2016 #40
Don't be absurd Tarc May 2016 #43
Can't wait for the FBI to finish up. cliffordu May 2016 #45
""Wish in one hand, crap in the other. See which one gets filled first." DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #49
lol. cliffordu May 2016 #50
You used that line already.. I am sure a smart lad like yourself can up with something new. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #51
Nah. Participation ribbon for people cliffordu May 2016 #54
That was new but not better. Please try again. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #55
No. I do not call out other long time DU'ers cliffordu May 2016 #59
I guess the "advice and information" between the two of them was "just talking" Seeinghope May 2016 #100
Yoga classes and Chelsea's wedding Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #101
LOL!!!!! Seeinghope May 2016 #103
I think Sid is a troll n/t hootinholler May 2016 #46
LOL cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #57
Cracks me up.... lmbradford May 2016 #67
Yeppers. cliffordu May 2016 #68
yes, and look how she lied: amborin May 2016 #71
Should be its own OP cliffordu May 2016 #73
Yup nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #88
He could not be put on the State Dept. payroll since he had been banned so he was put on the Samantha May 2016 #72
Trey Gowdy called annavictorious May 2016 #80
stale, trite, and amateurish. nt grasswire May 2016 #83
You're totally right. But I have to ask this: Ken Burch May 2016 #86
Hey, Ken! cliffordu May 2016 #90
It's all good. Ken Burch May 2016 #93
It's been alright- cliffordu May 2016 #95
He was my first clue the email stuff was real. IdaBriggs May 2016 #98
The discussion the Republican will be having in Congress and the Senate Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #99
Hillary is the keeper of all things Obama. Until she isn't. Autumn May 2016 #102

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
4. I don't care. Enough corporatistas,
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

Enough perpetual war
Enough.

Im tired of adding to the list dead young men and women on this Memorial Day weekend.

Never for 'freedom'....always for money, always for profit always for 'business opportunities' always for those with no souls who suffer money addiction.

No more.

I want people in this country, all people, to enjoy the same privilege I grew up with and enjoy to this day.

No more MIC.

Eisenhower was right
Smedley Butler was right.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
2. Trump's keeping his powder dry.
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

We will hear PLENTY about this shit later if (GOD FORBID) she actually ends up being our nominee

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
5. Hillary sent him classified information. That is a felony.
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

He also sent her top secret intel, which she failed to report. All other potential crimes aside(and I'm sure there is a laundry list of them), she already has a felony charge coming.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
6. It's just one issue of many
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

But make no mistake- there was never any loyalty to break between her and the President. He ate her lunch, and she got her revenge as well as using him to set up her 2nd WH run.

The question, as always, is: do we want to continue with all of this? Do we want more Bushco policies and behavior? Are we still Democrats, or are we the Neo GOP?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
7. Sid was paid $120,000/year
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

Media Matters paid him too, at one point, a lot of money. Plus he was ginning up private business for himself in Libya after the fall.

There is plenty of stuff on google about Sid.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/the-return-of-sid-vicious-118158

http://nypost.com/2015/10/31/hillary-clintons-rogue-agenda-why-sid-blumenthal-matters/

He is in deep, deep trouble.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
78. Yep, and his only hope to ultimately get out of this is...
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

A presidential pardon from HRC. Explains why he's been out there pounding the media circuit so hard to defend her.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
79. I think they have been trying to re-frame him, too
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

From nasty political trickster to journalist. Book tour.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
9. Try to keep up. It's been in every post about this
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

Goddammed mess since it came to light.
Blumenthal provided some of the SECRET documents to the state department inquiry and is - or is scheduled - to talk to the Eff Bee Eye.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
24. Sorry....don't have a post #7...poster must be on ignore...
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:00 PM
May 2016

I think I am just going to leave now....backs slowly out of the thread.....

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
28. Small wonder you're on ignore.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

I don't ignore anyone, enjoying many kinds of willful ignorance in others

Response to Henhouse (Reply #12)

Henhouse

(646 posts)
48. Oh that Sid....
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

He and I used to work for Mr. Brock over at Media Matters. Thanks for the links.....

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #74)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
77. Bunker mentality is on both sides now
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

Of course a sign of a true scandal is that bunker mentality among supporters of insert politician here

 

Bob-o the Clown

(35 posts)
34. Here
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

I'll spell it out for you..

Guccifer---------------------->Blumenthal----------------------->Clinton

Hacker/Social Engineer hacks into a well-known Clinton operative's AOL account, then finds confidential documetation, downloads it for 'light reading'. Guccifer gets caught for hacking activities, extradicted in the U.S., in a plea deal, pled guilty to hacking materials, making him an invaluable asset in terms of knowledge to Clinton's activities, including accessing CLASSIFIED materials in an unclassified setting, implicating numerous of people.

That is what it is all about.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. Yes indeed. And why would a Sec of State encourage seeking leaks from the CIA??
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

It's almost like there was an intentional attempt to put a hole in the Obama administration's heavily invested plumbing security project

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
20. Actually, we should be discussing issues that actually matter, like the environment,
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

poverty, social justice, and so on. But Trump wants to talk about emails, and when Trump talks, Berners listen.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
26. I was talking about the dig in the last sentence.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:05 PM
May 2016

I've got one of the lowest carbon footprints of anyone I know, having owned a car for five of the last 50 years.

I bicycle everywhere.

I live in and heat a space a little over 150 square feet.

No air conditioning.

My lighting systems are all 12 volt DC.

I have no computer, television set or other 120v appliances save a cuisinart I use to grind nuts and seeds for my vegan diet. I run that about 4 minutes a day.

Anytime you want to get serious about the environment we can talk.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
39. I thrive in my little life.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

Give back to the communty, work with the most desolate and hopeless members of our society....and have found a kind of grace outside the main theme of American life, that theme that is killing the very planet we live on, that lifestyle obsession for soooo many of my fellows.....summed in one word:

"More"

I long for a rested mind and a peaceful heart, but there is too much work to do.....

JudyM

(29,265 posts)
56. How beautiful. I am humbled in admiration. I try to have the lightest footprint I can but you are
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

far ahead of me.

Namaste.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
58. It's very difficult to start...
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

And it's easier - MUCH EASIER- to do in small spaces.

What I thought was denying myself 'basic needs' turned out to be sooo not the case...

I had a house that was little more than a repository for stuff I never used and....to quote fight club..(sorry) "The stuff you think you own winds up owning you....".

I do have one guilty pleasure....my phone, which I cannot live without.......

I would go without that if I could find a place far enough out of the city to not need it.....

JudyM

(29,265 posts)
60. Inspired to continue more intensely on the journey.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

Besides animal mistreatment, my main thing is I get so continually disheartened by plastic and styrene. People don't give it a thought... Single use, toss it out.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
27. Obviously Hillary doesn't want to talk about issues since shes hiding form a debate?
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

She could use it to promote fracking.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
66. Now you want to talk about issues?
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

That's laughable. Fuck Trump and the neo-con with a D in front of her name.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
30. Sid as a campaign issue probably ranks below funding for the Cheney museum.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

I guess the people's campaign has unofficially rolled it up.

Response to elleng (Reply #32)

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
37. Bernie demanding the bank give money to Jane
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

to bankrupt a college and get a bucket of money to get her to leave. Now why would a saintly guy do that?

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
42. "Demanding"
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

Well, what a little tyrant.

Didn't do him a fucking bit of good, this demanding, did it?

Some kinda brutal fixer, this Bernie.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
47. Did you just change what we were talking about?
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

I thought this OP was about Hillary spilling state secrets and trying to spy on the CIA through Blumenthal.....

No matter.

Now you're talking about Jane getting money instead of the college...from the loan Bernie didn't get when he leaned on the bank?

Keep tossing, something is going to stick sooner or later. Maybe.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
52. Jane did get a very handsome payout when she was fired
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

the college got loan that it couldn't repay and was forced to close its doors but not before her son and daughter got great jobs for programs they created at the college. Sounds like old fashion crony capitalism to me.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
61. Since this whole thread is pretty much bashing HRC with RW talking points...
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

I'll just leave this you tube here:

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
64. Oh Saint Bernard
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

oh wait, isn't that a big dog with a whiskey barrel around his neck?

Bernie is a mortal man with avarice and greed in his heart like most politicians and he is not above getting his own, even if it is on a smaller scale than Mitch McConnell.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
38. "don't hire him" doesn't equate to "you can't talk to him"
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

Berniefans are scraping the rock bottom of the Emailgate Barrel today for attack material, yeesh.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
43. Don't be absurd
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

Gov't officials confer and consult with whoever they wish to.

There is some sparkling naivete going on here today...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
55. That was new but not better. Please try again.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

I will add I thought this thread was going to be about my friend, Sid Dithers.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
101. Yoga classes and Chelsea's wedding
Mon May 30, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

I said before they were talking in code about those subjects rather than taking down governments and stealing their gold.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
67. Cracks me up....
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

Cannot push any of her great policies, but consistantly try to bash Bernie. Bernie isnt responsible for her server problems. Bernie is not responsible for her hideous record. He is running a campaign, so deal with her crap yourself if you support her.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
71. yes, and look how she lied:
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:56 PM
May 2016

I never paid attention to Benghazi, because the real crime was bombing Libya in the first place. But a close look at the Benghazi testimony reveals cringe-worthy lies:

although the Obama White House believed Blumenthal had spread false rumors about Obama during the 2008 campaign, and although Obama had banned Blumenthal from any State Dept business, SOS Clinton kept up a steady and solicited correspondence with Blumenthal behind Obama's back:



And despite ample evidence on the public record for months that Clinton repeatedly asked Blumenthal to keep sending her updates on Libya and other matters, she repeated previous assertions that his advice was unsolicited.

"I did not ask him to send me the information that he sent me," Clinton said.


"You wrote to him, 'Another keeper, thanks' and 'Please keep them coming
....Greetings from Kabul and thanks for keeping this stuff coming,'" Gowdy shot back.

Clinton then shifted slightly, conceding that she urged Blumenthal to keep up the flow
. "They started out unsolicited and, as I said, some were of interest," she said.

snip

.....You said they were -- you said they were unsolicited," the chairman said.

While Clinton minimized the significance of what Blumenthal sent along, she did not dismiss it entirely, and she defended forwarding the information to aides who sometimes scrambled to respond to the unusual dispatches.

"Some of it I found interesting....

snip

....Allegations relating to Blumenthal's role in that campaign are what kept him from joining the State Department in 2009. Obama aides were convinced that Blumenthal spread false personal and policy rumors about Obama during the battle between Clinton and Obama for the Democratic nomination. While Clinton had more authority to name State Department personnel than any other Obama Cabinet member, Blumenthal was blacklisted--effectively banished by the White House.

When Gowdy asked about Blumenthal's rejection, Clinton didn't dispute it, but said she couldn't remember or didn't know who at the White House put the kibosh on her regular correspondent.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-emails-benghazi-hearings-215083#ixzz42cF2UM5y

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-emails-benghazi-hearings-215083#ixzz42cEb3aOA
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Hillary was taking State Dept Advice from Blumenthal and others with Business interests in Libya:


Plus, all the while, Blumenthal was working for the Clinton Foundation:




International New York Times May 20, 2015 Wednesday

Clinton friend's memos on Libya draw scrutiny to politics and business

NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Clintons last occupied the White House, Sidney Blumenthal cast himself in varied roles:

speechwriter, in-house intellectual and press corps whisperer. …..Now, as Hillary Rodham Clinton embarks on her second presidential bid, Mr. Blumenthal's service to the Clintons is again under the spotlight. ……

….. a series of memos that Mr. Blumenthal - who was not an employee of the State Department - wrote to Mrs. Clinton about events unfolding in Libya before and after the death of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

According to emails obtained by The New York Times, Mrs. Clinton, who was secretary of state at the time, took Mr. Blumenthal's advice seriously, forwarding his memos to senior diplomatic officials in Libya and Washington and at times asking them to respond. Mrs. Clinton continued to pass around his memos even after other senior diplomats concluded that Mr. Blumenthal's assessments were often unreliable.

But an examination by The Times suggests that Mr. Blumenthal's involvement was more wide-ranging and more complicated than previously known, embodying the blurry lines between business, politics and philanthropy that have enriched and vexed the Clintons.

While advising Mrs. Clinton on Libya, Mr. Blumenthal, who had been barred from a State Department job by aides to President Obama, was also employed by her family's philanthropy, the Clinton Foundation, to help with research, ''message guidance'' and the planning of commemorative events, according to foundation officials. During the same period, he also worked for organizations that helped lay the groundwork for Mrs. Clinton's 2016 campaign.

Much of the Libya intelligence that Mr. Blumenthal passed on to Mrs. Clinton appears to have come from a group of business associates he was advising as they sought to win contracts from the Libyan transitional government.

The venture, which was ultimately unsuccessful, involved other Clinton friends, a private military contractor and one former C.I.A. spy seeking to get in on the ground floor of the new Libyan economy.

The projects …..would have required State Department permits, but foundered before the business partners could seek official approval.


The Libya venture came together in 2011 when David L. Grange, a retired Army general, joined with a new New York firm, Constellations Group, to pursue business leads in Libya. Constellations Group, led by a professional fund-raiser and philanthropist named Bill White, was to provide the leads……



Samantha

(9,314 posts)
72. He could not be put on the State Dept. payroll since he had been banned so he was put on the
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:56 PM
May 2016

Clinton Foundation payroll and kept on advising Hillary. He also had no classified security clearance, so he was not eligible to have some of the information he had. I believe he has already been questioned, and I got the sense he opened up and talked truthfully about everything. One never knows though.

Sam

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
86. You're totally right. But I have to ask this:
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

Did anybody else think this was gonna be a thread about "Sid Dithers"?

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
95. It's been alright-
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Quiet time today (except for yelling at everyone here....)

Nice to take it easy. Working too much......

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
99. The discussion the Republican will be having in Congress and the Senate
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

Last edited Mon May 30, 2016, 09:57 AM - Edit history (1)

Will be about Sid.......... count on it.
But I imagine the FBI are already talking about it.

And that's a fact Jack.

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