The denial has begun to take on an unhealthy and hysterically desperate tone among Hill backers

[Bonobo]

This train is derailing and its time to figure out an alternative mode of transportation.

[randome]

1. Sanders supporters rarely talk about Sanders anymore. They prefer to talk about Clinton.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bonobo]

3. Yeah cause we don't fucking want Trump to beat a terribly damaged candidate.

She wasn't even a good candidate before. Now? Now she's like that moldy, mushy banana that no one wants to eat.

[randome]

8. Know what you can do with those kind of bananas?

Make banana bread. Since Clinton is clearly our next President -or even if you don't think that's true- it behooves us to work with the material at hand. We should all be pulling for a win in November. If you don't like Clinton, at least hedge your bets by stopping all the trash-talk.


[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bonobo]

13. Mmmmm, you;re so right about the banana bread.

When all alternatives are gone I will indeed support Hillary against Trump.

Until then, better start looking at alternatives.

[Yurovsky]

33. If she's in jail, running the executive branch will be a challenge...

sure Lucky Lucciano ran the Mafia from inside the joint, but I doubt Hillary possesses Lucky's leadership & managerial skills.

Hopefully she'll pick Bernie for VP so he can take over once she's been removed from office.

[CorkySt.Clair]

44. Or criticize or blame Republicans for anything

Not in their DNA.

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. Yes ... it has ... But I doubt we are talking about the same thing.

[Bonobo]

5. I'm absolutely certain we are talking about different things. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. But, one is real; the other, projection.

[Bonobo]

11. That increasingly does not seem to be the case unless you automatically discount people

who know far, far more about these matters than yourself, Mr. Man.

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. And who would these "know far, far more" people, be?

[Bonobo]

20. I'm sure you're prepared to tell me why the author of this piece is to be ignored and discounted.

BTW, he rejects Sanders also as a viable candidate.

http://lawnewz.com/politics/hillary-clintons-emails-now-might-finally-take-her-down/

Dan Metcalfe is a registered Democrat who has long said that he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November “if she escapes indictment and manages to become the Democratic presidential nominee.” He served as Director of the Justice Department’s Office of Information and Privacy for more than 25 years, during which time he handled information-disclosure policy issues on the dozens of Clinton Administration scandals that arose within public view, as well as two that did not. Since retiring in 2007, he has taught secrecy law at American University’s Washington College of Law.

[yallerdawg]

28. The Scandal Over Clinton’s Emails Still Isn’t a Scandal

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-not-scandal-464414

Does anyone truly think that the first thing the person charged with managing all foreign relations for the United States will do is spend a few months reading the equivalent of an encyclopedia for administrative and technical rules, rather than expecting the staff members charged with those responsibilities to handle it? (Also note that because of the amount of information involved, those duties are divided up among a large number of offices in the department.) Do people believe these officials are sophisticated enough to know anything about email other than how to type? (Clinton is a notorious technological imbecile, and Powell still has an AOL email account.) The absurdity of this belief—which Democrats seem to believe only applies to a Republican and Republicans seem to believe only applies to a Democrat—is so self-evident that it is astonishing there are people who espouse it with such vehemence.

[Bonobo]

29. That is VERY weak rejoinder to a particularly in-depth analysis of Hillary's peril

from a person uniquely situated to offer an expert opinion.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. For every expert saying this is a terminal situation ...

there are an equal number of equally qualified experts saying it is a ginned up tempest in a tea pot. That's the beauty/bane of the law ... and like it or not, for better or worse, in the real world (and in every part of our real lives), politics plays a part.

[Bonobo]

39. But it shoots to hell your dismissal of it as "projection".

Now show ME a legal expert that dismisses it as nothing that is neither an advocate for Hillary or for Sanders but who is a registered Democrat.

[1StrongBlackMan]

45. No ... Actually, it doesn't ...

it reinforces the thought that what I see as denial and projection is flipped when looked at from your position. No?

Now show ME a legal expert that dismisses it as nothing that is neither an advocate for Hillary or for Sanders but who is a registered Democrat.

There is was an excellent legal analysis by a well qualified attorney, national security expert posted by DemocratSinceBirth. I will try to re-find it.

[tonyt53]

4. Desperation - a strong feeling of sadness, fear, and loss of hope

or - loss of hope and surrender to despair. Or how about - a state of hopelessness leading to rashness. Merriam Webster.

[Bonobo]

6. I have not had hope for Bernie to win for months. nt

[tonyt53]

25. Sad attempt to harass someone. I'm proud of where I'm from. Sorry, but you can't handle me.

I will be the same place as always - a very proud member of the Democratic Party. You can go back to being a sad person.

[Sunlei]

36. hey no worries, even a couple cents a post means you're a 'job provider'

[reddread]

7. desperados waiting for a train

[ucrdem]

9. You noticed?

[Trust Buster]

12. They are just emotional reactionaries. Reality does not come into play for them.

[betsuni]

16. What are you talking about?

Alternative mode of transportation:

[Bonobo]

21. There is a special place in my heart for Oklahoma.

Chicks and ducks and geese better scurry
When I take you out in the surrey,
When I take you out in the surrey with the fringe on top!
Watch that fringe and see how it flutters
When I drive them high steppin' strutters.
Nosey folks'll peek through their shutters and their eyes will pop!
The wheels are yeller, the upholstery's brown,
The dashboard's genuine leather,
With isinglass curtains y' can roll right down,
In case there's a change in the weather.
Two bright sidelight's winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer rig I'm a-thinkin'
You c'n keep your rig if you're thinkin' 'at I'd keer to swap
Fer that shiny, little surrey with the fringe on the top!

[hootinholler]

30. I thought Poor Judd is Dead more apropos. n/t

[Bonobo]

31. She's all laid out in bed, with a candle on her head.

Her fingernails have never been so clean.

[mac56]

34. But it's summer and we're running out of ice

[Bonobo]

35. Oh that's bad! nt

[frylock]

17. They're even denying the denial in this thread!

[hootinholler]

18. BUT BUT INDICTMENT FAIREEEE!!!

The stoopud is strong in some.

[reddread]

27. all there is, it seems.

[beachbum bob]

19. june 16th is approaching

hillary's presumed nominee status days away. Sanders can go back to vermont

[RandySF]

22. I agree

Someone needs to Help Berners reach the acceptance stage.

[YouDig]

23. Just 6 days to go until Hillary clinches. The Berners will get more desparate until then.

But it will all be over soon.

[Bonobo]

24. For those interested in the actual laws that are relevant to this case:

18 USC 793:
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(Per document. She plotted with her minions to steal thousands of documents and hold them on a secret server for four years, then transferred them to a computer firm which stored them in a water closet, then to her attorney, thousands of felonies. They all of course had an affirmative requirement to notify the authorities of any possible breach of these laws and security based on law and the documents they signed. )

18 USC 1924:

a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

Presidential Memorandum — Managing Government Records, issued November 28, 2011

NARA Bulletin 2013-03: Guidance for agency employees on the management of Federal records, including email accounts, and the protection of Federal records from unauthorized removal

Presidential and Federal Records Act

44 U.S. Code Chapter 29 – RECORDS MANAGEMENT BY THE ARCHIVIST OF THE UNITED STATES AND BY THE ADMINISTRATOR OF GENERAL SERVICES

44 U.S. Code Chapter 31 – RECORDS MANAGEMENT BY FEDERAL AGENCIES

44 U.S. Code Chapter 33 – DISPOSAL OF RECORDS

[pdsimdars]

46. It is so clear, let's get 'er done.

[lagomorph777]

32. It's DC Metro and Amtrak all rolled into one

big train wreck.

[emulatorloo]

37. Desperate tone = Frank Huguenard

[Marr]

40. I saw them dismissing the AP as 'Fox News in print' here last week for covering this story.

They're getting Alice in Wonderland weird.

[Sheepshank]

41. Apparently you haven't been reading all the BS'ers OPs. Desperate denial is coming from the fringe.

[JoePhilly]

42. Build strawman. Knock it over. Declare victory.

[corkhead]

43. too late

[Dem2]

49. I see you are still here to attack and divide Democrats

[Beacool]

50. Ahem.....cough.....pot is calling........

Hillary will be the nominee. The lack of a sense of reality within the Sanders' group is a tad alarming.

[seabeyond]

51. Incredible. A year of hearing the desperation and fear and panic from Clinton supporters as she

kicked Sanders ass thru out.

[beachbum bob]

52. ???