So according to the new rules...

[One of the 99]

If you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to help her succeed, then you'll be fine. But if you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to tear her down, then you won't be fine.

Does the same rule apply to Bernie? Or will it be OK for Clinton supporters to come here and trash Bernie at will? That doesn't seem to be very fair.

[hrmjustin]

1. I think he made it clear it applies to bernie as well.

[99th_Monkey]

6. No, not that part.

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I was puzzled by this as well.

Hillary has her own set of rules, as usual.

What criticism of Hillary Clinton will be permitted? (link)

Unfortunately, there is not going to be a hard line between "fine" and "not fine."

But basically, I think it comes down to this:

If you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to help her succeed, then you'll be fine. But if you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to tear her down, then you won't be fine.

Now, I'm not a mind reader and I can't know for certain what everyone's intentions are. But I think that if the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting her to succeed" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting to tear her down" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If you are here on DU then you are supposed to be supporting the Democratic nominee against the Republican nominee in the general election -- it shouldn't be very hard to write a post in a way that sounds like it.

I believe that it will be possible to discuss every substantive issue that DUers might want to discuss.

[hrmjustin]

13. Basically he is saying examine your motives for posting something.

Some people including myself have at times posted things against the other candidate to make that person look bad.

Skinner is saying he will have no more of that.

[99th_Monkey]

14. ".. no more of that.." about Hillary, and only Hillary

This entire section applies exclusively to Hillary (not Bernie).

[hrmjustin]

15. Well Hillary will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday.

But to my point trashing Sanders will not be welcome here either.

[MH1]

16. Read further down in Skinner's post.

I just posted about this on another thread, and I think it applies to your question as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2109589

[99th_Monkey]

18. That may be. I guess we'll see how evenhanded this goes, down the road a bit. nt

[MH1]

19. I gather that Skinner's intention is that there isn't that much difference

between "the nominee" and "not the nominee" in how well-known Democrats are treated on this site. I think posts about the nominee will probably receive more scrutiny, and that's about it. So some shit might fly for the non-nominee, that wouldn't fly if it was closer scrutinized. But I think in that case Skinner would feel (as I would) that the new system was not performing 100% as intended.

Of course that would change if Bernie decided to run 3rd party, or to in some other way actively oppose Clinton for President. I don't believe either of those will happen, so I think you will be surprised at the even-handedness.

Here's hoping, anyway!

[HERVEPA]

2. Try reading his whole post and links.

[YouDig]

3. At that point Bernie is just another senator. The same rules as Joe Manchin apply to him.

[AgingAmerican]

27. The same rules that apply to Hillary apply to Sanders

[onehandle]

4. I will have little to say about him after the 15th.

Unless he doesn't fall in line behind the nominee like he promised.

[morningfog]

11. We won't have a nominee by the 15th. He'll support the nominee,

when we have one officially.

[emulatorloo]

5. Read the full thread. Skinner says no Bernie bashing either.

[beachbumbob]

7. Who cares about the losing candidate?

[workinclasszero]

10. And who will want to talk about him?

[Fawke Em]

29. I will.

I intend to keep working for him from now on. We won't have a nominee until the convention. I think that's the point of the questions. June 16 is more than a month from the convention in late July.

[AgingAmerican]

28. You do

[geek tragedy]

8. Maybe it would help to actually read what he wrote.

I am just so tired of people bashing each other and bashing Democrats on this website. I know the hardcore partisans will try to paint this whole thing through the Hillary vs Bernie lens, and drive that wedge as hard as they can, but that is just so not where I am at right now. I don't care who anyone has supported in the primaries -- I really don't. As long as you treat your fellow DU members with respect, stop tearing down Democratic public figures (including Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and everyone else), and don't advocate for Donald Trump or some lost-cause third-party spoiler candidate, then you'll be fine.

So, constructive criticism of Bernie ("your movement needed to start off with an organic base in communities of color&quot would be okay whereas toxic criticism would not be.

[One of the 99]

21. I did

Yet a single section was specific to Hillary Clinton when we won't officially have a nominee until the convention.

[geek tragedy]

25. We will have a presumptive nominee and an official winner of the primary voting, and that's

good enough for every rational person paying attention.

There will be only one relevant presidential campaign on the Democratic side after next Tuesday.

[Fawke Em]

30. Rational people also realize she's under a criminal investigation that could

railroad her any day now.

[geek tragedy]

32. um, exactly the opposite, but thanks for playing nt

[Fawke Em]

35. The FBI does two things:

They do background checks.

They primarily do criminal investigations.

Which is the Hillary thing?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Will scrutinizing out candidate, Bernie or Hillary, be prohibited?

[qdouble]

12. He seemed to suggest that non-toxic criticism will be fine...

but threads posts that are made with ill-intent to tear down the nominee or other democrats will not be tolerated.

[RobertEarl]

17. 'Tis a bold assumption

This assumption that the primary is over before the convention may not be the wisest decision DU has ever labored under.

I, for one, however, will be satisfied if the negative smearing being defecated on DU is wiped away by what ever means necessary.

[litlbilly]

34. It will only be dealt with toward Hillary, not Bernie which in my mind is total bullshit.

[Tarc]

20. Why would we even be discussing Bernie at that point?

He will be off-topic in General Election forum that will replace GDP.

[kstewart33]

22. Of course it does.

Nobody will trash Bernie, for the good of the community, and because all trashing should be directed at Trump.

[LanternWaste]

23. Otherwise intelligent posters confused and confounded by the obvious and the crystal-clear...

It's important we are confused and confounded by the obvious and the crystal-clear to better validate our biases.

Our invalid and imaginatively creative inferences may also assist our self-fulfilling prophecies of oppression if we examine the tea-leaves under the correct lighting rather than allowing the simple to to simplistic.

[brooklynite]

24. If Clinton is the nominee, why would anyone want to criticize Bernie?

Are you expecting him to disrupt the Convention or the GE campaign?

[Fawke Em]

31. He's already said it will be a contested convention and it will be.

Neither will have the magic number in pledged delegates and she's under a criminal investigation. Anything can happen in six weeks.

[itsrobert]

37. Sure it can

And everybody could win a million dollars.

[bkkyosemite]

26. And I asked if Clinton (if she is the nominee) has some legal issue that is serious and

causes concern for her to be President would that be something we could discuss. An indictment or another legal issue that arises from her former dealings with her foundation her victory fund or any irregularities..are we not allowed to talk about whatever it is that comes up?

[litlbilly]

33. which is why we must all leave this place when it becomes HRCDU. Let them just

slobber all over each other. This place will basically be completely useless after the 16th. This place will also end up like Kos which is almost completely useless right now.

[itsrobert]

36. Bernie is doing a good enough job tearing himself down

n/t

[Vote2016]

38. What if I want Hillary to succeed as a $250,000 an hour speaker instead of mucking up our chances in

the general election.?