This is a horrible speech from our "presumptive" nominee.

[Jack Bone]

She's all over the place, no common thread, other than "he's bad...so I must be good"

the "I've went toe-to-toe with Russia and China" is some major chest pounding hawkish crap that's worthy of W. Bush's speech writers.



no vision, no call to action...just a bunch of rehash and finger pointing.

We are much bigger than that! we're supposed to be Democrats!!

[onecaliberal]

1. Chalk with his up another reason why I can't.....

Send her son in law, send her brothers to the front lines. I'm sick of the killing and holier than thou attitude. We are the worst offenders.

[JimDandy]

54. It was a god awful speech. No wonder she doesn't give press conferences.

[Jitter65]

107. I thought the speech was great. She hit all the points against Trump she needed. Now she needs

to be ready to refute his rebuttal.

What would you have had her say? Or did you just want to have her apologize for Iraq over and over again and then apologize for Libya ...all of which were policies by Presidents. Have you ever encountered a Sec. of State that set foreign policy?

[Jack Bone]

126. so why is she claiming to? nt

[CorporatistNation]

214. No, Here's WHY She Refuses To Give Press Conferences... It's That Little Thing Called "fibbing...."

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[Jack Bone]

215. yeah the Chuck Todd quote blew me away!!

he's been a Hillary Cheerleader for years! Mr. Establishment goes along to get along....yeah it really caught me off-guard.

[Downwinder]

2. Any instructions for installing a secure server?

[Jack Bone]

6. nope...not yet...but she's still going...nt

[Downwinder]

36. Thought she would tout her experience.

[okieinpain]

170. lol, love your profile picture. n/t.

[pdsimdars]

57. Just thought of this, but did you know that somehow, mysteriously ALL of her email from

when she was a senator got "lost"? Don't you just hate it when that happens? Oopsie!

[Downwinder]

140. I shut down my server when the hard disk crashed.

That was back in 2000. Figured it was worth getting a free address. Only reason I can see to run my own is to avoid NSL's.

[Hekate]

3. Hard to track intelligent speech with your fingers in your ears, isn't it? Lalalala

smh

[JDPriestly]

66. While we are at it, did you listen to Bernie's press conference this morning.

It was great.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017380305

[MrMickeysMom]

148. This was REAL news...

World crisis... climate change

This is NOT a problem for tomorrow, but TODAY. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate addressing it and calling for a press conference... because it IS A REAL CRISIS.

[jillan]

189. And the stupid media. All they wanted to talk about was if he could win CA

As if that's all that matters.

I wish he would've just said it doesn't matter if I win California or not the climate crisis is not going away.

We have no media. Very few journalists anymore. It's pathetic.

[riderinthestorm]

216. +10000 nt

[Aerows]

208. If only

I had my fingers in my ears for that monstrosity that was masquerading as public speaking.

[CorkySt.Clair]

4. Yeah she's attacking Republicans

And the GOP nominee. I could see how that would upset some folks here.

[Mass]

13. She needs a rationale other than she is not Trump

I have not heard the speech, so I cannot say if this rationale was there, but I think this is what the OP is saying and I subscribe to that.

[CorkySt.Clair]

15. Righhhhhhht

And the word you're looking for is rationale, not rational.

[MyNameGoesHere]

18. " I have not heard the speech" So let me shit on it anyway

because one of the Sanders fanatics said it's good.

[Mass]

19. Except I did not express an opinion. But, feel free to make things up.

[MyNameGoesHere]

26. Are you mad? "but I think this is what the OP is saying and I subscribe to that."

and mad doesn't mean angry in this instance.

[Mass]

28. I susbcribe that she needs a rationale. Dont you?

Because I have seen people going at the OP for saying something negative about Secretary Clinton, but I do not see anybody countering his criticism.

[passiveporcupine]

68. Countering his criticism?

They don't do that here, they just attack the messenger.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. " I am not the insane guy" will literally be more than enough...

Her speech created the impression Trump was emotionally unbalanced and an unbalanced person should never be able to carry the nuclear football.

[brush]

37. What was that? You haven't heard the speech and you subscribe to that? Care to re-phrase?

[Tarc]

49. Kinda like how Bernie's rationale is just "I'm not her" ?

[JDPriestly]

69. How could anyone who listens to Bernie say that?

Here is his press conference today on the environment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017380305

[senz]

188. Try to make statements that correspond to objective reality.

It'll give your comments more heft and make you seem more interesting.

[Scuba]

210. Nicely done!

[Shadowflash]

59. Yup.

'I'm not Trump' coupled with the list of Progressive goals she is NOT going to pursue just isn't going to cut it.

[840high]

30. What is she offering?

[Doctor_J]

88. More war

Surprise

[840high]

99. Of course.

[amandabeech]

65. She seems to say that she would continue to take the neocon position in the Middle East

and North Africa. That's one of the reasons why I preferred Obama to her in the first place.

The initial poster is right. Now that her son-in-law has lost a lot of Lloyd Blankfein's money, maybe he could apply to officer candidate's school. Not that he would ever do that.

There's no doubt in my mind that Trump is a wild man, but an alternative that we be constantly involved in Middle Eastern and North African wars is not great.

[CorkySt.Clair]

74. Like I said

Criticizing the GOP and Trump makes some folks here VERY uncomfortable.

[amandabeech]

114. Did you hear her talk about her Middle Eastern policy?

Did you hear Tweety say that she was looking for Neo Con support?

Trump is a doofus and a braggart, but Clinton just reminded me of something about her I just don't like.

If you want to support endless wars in a part of the world where there are no good options, then be my guess. And if not supporting those wars makes me a Trump supporter and a Repiglican, then I have nothing more to say to you.

[CorkySt.Clair]

120. Yes, I'm sure you believe all of that.

I'm not a one issue voter. I put the blame for Iraq where it belongs, in W's lap, and I know Trump is a lunatic.

Playtime is over. Either get on board for the big win or get out of the way. While DU is moving into GE mode, I'm moving those who can't see the stakes at hand or have their wittle feelers hurt so bad they'll stay home into the SFB category.

Have a good one!

[amandabeech]

128. Love and kisses!!!

n/t

[Ilsa]

158. I liked what I heard of her speech.

She was specific in her criticism of DT. It didn't have to be about her, but about how dangerous and bad for the country DT would be. She didn't pull any punches.

And I voted for Bernie and still adore the man. And yes, I'll vote for HRC rather than not vote or vote 3rd party.

[auntpurl]

169. Thank you for your vote, and your sensible approach.

[senz]

187. Bernie attacks Trump at every rally. The Bernie crowd boos Trump, too.

I'll bet Bernie's anti-Trump attacks make more sense than Hill's.

[uponit7771]

212. +1

[Chemisse]

5. Really? I think she's doing a great job! n/t

[Jack Bone]

12. yeah...at telling us trumps bad...we know that already..nt

[brush]

41. It's called GE campaigning. She's talking to more than Sanders supporters on DU.

[Chemisse]

145. Yes we do.

But there is a whole chunk of voters who could go either way. They really need to know what's at stake.

[kstewart33]

7. Ok, Bernie's up next.

I'd love to hear his specifics on several foreign policy issues.

[Surya Gayatri]

23. No shit...

[CanadaexPat]

43. "I won't start stupid wars"

That's all I need to hear.

[Schema Thing]

73. yep

[Carolina]

96. Bingo

[Yurovsky]

164. But just how in the world are General Dynamics or Blackwater ....

going to hit their quarterly profit projections if we're not busy using the military to kill people and blow shit up?

Think of the poor shareholders! And the poor folks at GoldmanSachs and JP Morgan... Do you seriously want them to have to use the same yacht 2 years in a row or cut junior's allowance to $10k a week?

C'mon, bloodsucking Wall Street fucksticks are people too! (Just barely...)

I wonder where she'LL bomb first? Iran? Syria? North Korea? I guess you would need to pull up the various profit projections for each potential enemy, and that would probably be the deciding factor...

[JDPriestly]

71. Here is his press conference on the environment this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017380305

[Tommy_Carcetti]

8. This is actually one of her strongest moments of the campaign.

She's not the best speaker from the podium, but she's dominated it today.

[k8conant]

47. Huh?? I'm still watching now...

and I haven't got to that point yet.

Granted she's putting Trump down non-stop, but I haven't heard yet why she's better.

I'll keep listening.


On Edit: 12:36 PM PDT Her last two sentences, maybe.

[madokie]

127. LOL

:barf:

[smiley]

211. if that's all she's got.

we should be worried.

[AgingAmerican]

9. If she gets into a 'tit for tat' war with Trump, she loses by default

Because she becomes just like him.

[CanadaexPat]

45. And can't be as good as him at being him.

[AgingAmerican]

48. She just needs to avoid the "Me too!"

Which she did with Sanders.

[azurnoir]

10. yep I tuned in and she was doing a verbal rerun of her 3am anti-Obama ad only the name was changed

[Jack Bone]

17. nice comparison...i didn't see that...

I had a hard time trying to find "the message"

like the talking head says..."this wasn't a foreign policy speech"..EXACTLY!!

[azurnoir]

46. did you plug your ears or take a break for more ......

something?

[passiveporcupine]

75. This reminds me so much of the daisy girl ad

It's just another version of spewing 9/11 all the time.

[senz]

190. I'm so glad Obama's answering the phone and not Clinton.

If Bernie were answering the phone next year, I and the whole world would feel safer because we'd be safer.

[LibDemAlways]

11. That photo of her with Bush makes

my skin crawl. Her performance as SOS sucked. She should never be anywhere near US foreign policy, especially with neocons like Kagan supporting her -- the lowest of the low worst of the worst who is licking his chops at the prospect of a reinvigorated "New American Century." Even Cheney thinks a Clinton Presidency would be "interesting." Evil, dangerous, greedy blood thirsty people are in her corner. Watch out.

[840high]

33. .that^

[JDPriestly]

77. Right. Her Libya policy encouraged ISIS.

She is just awful on foreign policy. Doesn't get subtlety or finesse or diplomacy at all.

She just sort of issues her fatwas -- sorry, ultimatums, and thus corners herself into having to take a given course even when the facts change.

That's why she evolves so much.

She has no vision. She doesn't know how to pause, say something, wait and see what the next development is and then react. She just was not born to leadership. She doesn't feel the pulse of reality and constant change well enough to deal with the presidency. Bill Clinton was pretty good at it, but she just isn't.

Doesn't mean she is a bad person. But there is this sort of leopard-like quality that a truly effective leader has to have, an awareness, a keenness, an alertness that Hillary does not have.

Bernie has it.

A leader has to be constantly vigilant and then leap at reality. Hillary just sort of hums under it -- often out of tune with it.

May I repeat. That does not mean she is a bad person. She just isn't a leader.

I'm not a leader either, but I know how leaders are.

[senz]

192. I think her ME decisions bear some responsibility for the refugee crisis.

I would not want that on my conscience but have a feeling it doesn't bother her at all.

[senz]

191. You should contribute

to this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512113640

[LibDemAlways]

194. I did!

[senz]

196. Well thank you! I'll check it out.

Hope it's as good as what you said here.

[sufrommich]

14. Lol. nt

[brooklynite]

16. Sanders has a foreign policy speech coming up then?

Not just some applause lines at his rally?

[JDPriestly]

80. Here is his press conference on the environment from this morning.

It's great.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017380305

[findrskeep]

122. Thank you.

[senz]

193. Hope he will. He has one of the most rational, well thought-out views

on foreign policy I've ever heard.

[redstateblues]

20. Bernie's Foreign Policy?

Break up the big banks!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

21. I'm not sure how well she dealt with Russia ...

[geek tragedy]

22. 15 more days nt

[jack_krass]

38. Until what?

[geek tragedy]

42. until they start enforcing the rule that people here have to support the Democratic

nominee against Donald Trump

[JonLeibowitz]

63. There is no such rule. Those who do not support Clinton simply cannot say so

and must not bash the nominee.

You are imagining rules you would like to see. I am confident you will be disappointed.

[jack_krass]

97. I think this poster fantasizes about "turning in" thought criminals and

"Political enemies".

[Ned_Devine]

106. You might be right

[Warren DeMontague]

173. It's the "Fifteen days and then you WILL PAY FOR YOUR INSOLENCE" crowd

Seriously, switch to decaf.

[senz]

198. Most of them seem to. The authoritarian mindset.

Very rightwing.

[SidDithers]

149. So they'll compromise their principles for fear of losing their posting privileges?...

Now that's courage.

Sid

[JonLeibowitz]

159. Or they can just not comment on things that might get them in trouble....as i intend to do.

No compromise of principles needed.


....Jon

[geek tragedy]

93. Did you read the TOS when you registered?

Just in case you didn't, here's the relevant language:

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. ... For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

Many people will have to change their rhetoric about Clinton after the TOS gets enforced.

[jack_krass]

101. Nobody here, except a few who are trollls, would disagree...

With electing Democrats. I certainly wouldnt. Ive worked to elect Democrats my whole life.

None of that is on condlict witb what I said last post

[geek tragedy]

103. "Hillary for Prison 2016" type of posts will be a thing of the past.

As will links to Fox News attacking her.

[jack_krass]

110. Never seen anything like that here

[Jack Bone]

138. Fox News is a valid source of info.

we're talking "World Nut Daily" ....crap like that...

If anything, Hillary's tight w/ Rupert Murdoch...they're pals fer chrissakes!

[geek tragedy]

146. LOL.

Bye.

[Marr]

141. LOL

How disappointed you'll be.

[angrychair]

24. You gave the HRC General Election campaign slogan:

"no vision, no call to action...just a bunch of rehash and finger pointing"

[LibDemAlways]

56. A little long for bumper stickers.

Maybe it could be shortened to Hillary: Say Yes to No.

[madokie]

130. LOL, thats a keeper

Hillary just say Yes to NO

[GreenPartyVoter]

143. Brilliant!

[pablo_marmol]

184. !!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Fifteen more days

Skinner (61,770 posts)
1. After the primaries on June 7 (California, New Jersey, etc.)...

...we will announce that the primaries are nearing an end, and members will have one more week to "get it out of their systems".

The final Democratic presidential primary is Tuesday, June 14 in Washington DC. People will have one last glorious day of primary season on June 15, and then Democratic Underground general election season begins on Thursday, June 16.

[Jack Bone]

34. This was constructive criticism...I didn't post the sarcasm emoji.

just trying to make our "presumptive" nominee a stronger candidate..

carry on.

[LonePirate]

115. Given the image in your footer, you are not capable of fair, constructive criticism.

You only have criticism to offer.

[Jack Bone]

123. I used to criticize Bush...we ALL did....I hold Hillary to the same standards.

carry on

[panader0]

166. Wait! You find the image of Hillary with Bush unfair? How so?

Is it critical? It's a photo of your candidate after all.

[LonePirate]

171. Reading comprehension seems to be a lost skill nowadays.

The poster said he/she was offering constructive criticism while sporting a footer image that indicated that the criticism was anything but constructive. I called out that misrepresentation.

And for the record, I voted for Bernie back in March when he still had a chance. He has lost the primary race. It's time to move on. Stop living in the past and join the rest of us in the present.

[panader0]

172. My reading comprehension is just fine.

You are saying that the photo itself is unconstructive. How so? She willingly attended the party, willingly
hugged Bush. So again I ask you, how is the photo offensive to you? The Bushes and Clintons are long
time friends.

[LonePirate]

174. Your reply title and first sentence are completely contradictory.

I stand by my point that reading comprehension is a lost skill nowadays.

[jack_krass]

70. Wow, you're really good at counting

By the way, constructive criticism will be allowed after your countdown ends.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

221. You are really good ...

Wow, you're really good at counting

You are really good at disrespecting strangers, jack. I like my talent better.

[JDPriestly]

81. It's going to be a boring place here.

[Armstead]

105. Waving good bye to votes in November if Camp Clinton gets too high handed?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

108. You give my keyboard activism way too much credit. I don't believe I influence anybody.

I do believe I give succor to my fellow HRC supporters and let them know they aren't alone.

[Armstead]

112. They know they're not alone....and I realize none of us has any real influence but...

we are all mirrors of the zeitgeist.

And if the 40-some percent of people who supported Sanders in the primary are told to "you lost. Buzz off." in the larger sense....a lot will in November.

[senz]

195. Fifteen more days of facts. Then you can enter la la land

and go into full worship mode.

[Surya Gayatri]

27. Do you always talk such egregious codswallop?

Must suck to be you.

[840high]

29. I didn't watch - no interest in her.

[redstateblues]

53. why post then?

[840high]

98. why not?

[qdouble]

31. I'd suppose Bernie's foreign policy speech would have something to do with "billionaires" and the 1%

[CorkySt.Clair]

62. Bernie's a one trick pony

[senz]

197. Bernie goes after Trump at every rally

and his foreign policy views are intelligent and thoughtful.

He writes his own material, too.

[Waiting For Everyman]

32. I enjoyed the cybersecurity part.

A key element of her expertise.

[haikugal]

39. .

[JimDandy]

61. Pass the word...

[NCTraveler]

35. Going after Trump and making sense is going to piss a select group off. Nt

[Jack Bone]

40. I'd agree with you....had she made any sense,

her topics didn't flow from one into the other....they were all over the place and very difficult to follow...(this coming from a Democrat)...imagine how difficult it was to follow from someone from freeperville?

what points could they say swayed them in anyway?

[Peacetrain]

44. ^^^^^^^^^^

She was on point.. explaining how Trumps foreign policy is delusional and not a policy at all

[jzodda]

50. Great Speech!

I think she hit it out of the park. Its got Trump so angry he can't stop Tweeting....

It DEMOLISHED him....

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. I am waiting for the full text to be released

to post it

I make no comments on these things... I know very non US Media

[Jack Bone]

78. maybe it "reads" better...

after watching CNN post speech, I think that I figured it out.

I think it was a speech made up of primarily, talking points.

talking points that didn't mesh together as a "foreign policy" speech...spoken.

but man, they sound REALLY good as 5 second zingers for the cable news shows.

I dunno...I'm trying to find some light in this darkness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. We just do that. When she had her major mass incarceration speech

we posted it, with zero comment.

But right now I am having a hell of a time finding the text... and the video on local tv station is not 1080, let alone digital quality

[Jack Bone]

182. Sometimes it's tough to get transcripts from The Clintons ;)

[Tarc]

52. Hillary will outline why exactly why Trump will be a disaster, put him on the defensive

This is basic "go outside the expertise of your enemy" here. She exposes the actual weakness and flaws of Trumpy's wall-building, Muslim-ejecting ridiculousness. Personalize it, attack the man himself, make him step up and actually defend his positions.

This is what the fall is going to be like; they play checkers, we play chess. Hell, we'll play 3D chess, while they try to eat their checkers and drool a bit.

[ieoeja]

100. "Personalize it, attack the man himself...." You want an insult competition with Trump?!? n/t

[Tarc]

142. Not in the "he's a jerk", he's a loser" etc, no... that's his shtick

What you do is characterize how Trump will be dangerous/bad/horrible via the policies he will (o claims he will enact), or call back to his shoddy track record as a businessman.

[angrychair]

165. That is white noise at this point

So tired of politics being about "how bad the other person is"...how about "this is my vision for our future" without mentioning anyone else or any compare/contrast nonsense.

So much of politics is being boiled down to bashing other people and name-calling. Why do we have to be more of the same?

[redstateblues]

55. Great speech- She looked very Presidential

In command of the issues-contrast to the Don

[Mosby]

58. Thanks for the constructive criticism

I'm sure HRC will get right on it.

[JDPriestly]

60. Please post a link to "this" speech.

What does "this" refer to?

[MFM008]

64. What do you want her to say?

Were supposed to be democrats, does that mean folding to Trumps madness?
Letting him continue to attack on Vince Foster or some crap?
It puts attention right on his biggest weakness.

What does he do every time he calls a "PRESS CONFERENCE" worse than she did.
Nothing she says or does will suit the Berners.

June 16.

[braddy]

67. I thought she was effective and called out Trump, and gave the speech to fire up the media to

start going after him.

[floppyboo]

163. That's useful. Good.

[seabeyond]

72. Your agenda is obvious. It was a good speech.

[Jack Bone]

86. not really a speech...but a good series of 5 sec. zingers.

see post #78.

should've been touted as her "Anti-Trump" extravaganza...not a foreign policy speech.

[MattP]

76. So people here are upset Hillary went after Trump

[auntpurl]

132. Yes. Telling, isn't it.

Imagine being upset and criticising someone for ATTACKING Donald fucking Trump.

[senz]

199. Bernie goes after Trump at every rally.

Wake the fuck up.

[elehhhhna]

79. me me me plus some dickwaving

Nothing new here

[Xyzse]

83. Is there a transcript I could read?

I'd rather read it first before I make any comments.

[AtomicKitten]

84. The disconnect is amusing in that she/they consider foreign policy her strength,

-- when in reality it is a huge, smelly, festering liability.

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/there_is_no_foreign_policy_d_league_hillarys_foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/08/hillary-clintons-record-of-failure-as-secretary-of-state/

https://mic.com/articles/24646/5-foreign-policy-failures-during-hillary-clinton-s-time-as-secretary-of-state#.tBKKTe2bx

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-six-foreign-policy-catastrophes/5509543

[stillwaiting]

139. What area of the world is better off after HRC has been involved?

I am very curious, and I would love to learn of a place in the world that is better off for regular citizens after HRC's involvement.

Anywhere.

[senz]

200. ^^^ FACTS ^^^

Truth beats blapping every time.

[Purveyor]

85. She lost me when she said the US "stood up" to foreign countries that

violated women's, LGBT and human rights.

One word clinton: Saudi Arabia and the Clinton Foundation.

You and your ilk stood up to them all right, with your measly hands out for more $$$.

Spit, rinse and repeat.

[vintx]

109. +1,000,000,000

[amandabeech]

118. I'm with you.

I'd be much more comfortable with Bernie in charge, and I can say that for several more days.

[senz]

202. Such a good point.

Thank you.

[asuhornets]

87. That was a damn good speech. A President in the making!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are just jealous...

[Jack Bone]

116. I'm not jealous...that wasn't a speech! @ best it was an address...

20 mins of 5 second zingers, does not a speech make

[Doctor_J]

90. The highlights:

1. I'm not trump
2. I don't think we're in enough wars already

It will thrill her conservative fan club

[qdouble]

134. Where did she ever imply or say #2?

Are you guys relying on outright lying now?

[MineralMan]

91. Balderdash!

And poppycock!

[WiffenPoof]

92. WOW... I'm a big Bernie supporter...

...and I thought it was a pretty darn good speech.

[auntpurl]

133. Thank you for saying so.

[hrmjustin]

94. I thought she destroyed trump.

Great speech.

[Attorney in Texas]

95. This is who we have become. The party of FDR is now the party of "hey, at least we're not Trump"

[reddread]

119. one way of herding cats

[Attorney in Texas]

125. I know cats. If they don't like the cat food your serving, they ain't coming to the table.

[qdouble]

136. BS'ers have no problem with criticizing Hillary or other democrats

but heaven forbidy someone criticize trump

[Jack Bone]

176. This ISN'T about Trump...

Why on earth does Hillary Clintons Foreign Policy "Speech" have anything at all to do w/ Donald Freakin' Trump?

[senz]

203. Sigh. Bernie attacks Trump at every rally

and the crowd enthusiastically boos Trump.

[beachbumbob]

102. I love it...sanders supporters criticizing our nominees speech

What a surprise here!!!!

[seabeyond]

150. Right? NT

[KingFlorez]

113. Bitter and sad

[imagine2015]

117. So does Clinton want to show us she's tougher than Trump by going to war against Russia or China?

Oh good.

We need more wars, nice big ones!

Show people around the world who's boss!

We're gonna do some regime changing from Russia to China!

That's a winner!

[amandabeech]

121. This is why some of us are not looking forward to a Clinton Presidency.

She's better than Trump, but that's not saying much.

Love, love, love your GIF!

Let me toast you with a glass of wine, and pollute my precious bodily fluids!

[seabeyond]

151. And this is why many of us ignore what Sanders supporters have to say, to get this interpretation of

what Clinton said, is pathetic.

[amandabeech]

162. She said a lot of things about Trump, most of which I agree with.

But why she wants the money and votes behind the mostly Repuglican PNAC is beyond me, and will always be beyond me.

She voted for the Iraq War resolution, which is a gift that keeps on giving because it is part of the legal support for most of our actions in the Middle East and North Africa. Many people, including Poppy Bush, knew that if Saddam went, Iraq, whose borders were drawn up by British and French colonialists after they beat the Ottoman Empire in WWI and put three groups together who didn't like each other, Iraq would fall apart into warring factions. I hate to say that a Bush was right about anything, but Poppy was right about Iraq. Iraq as a country no longer exists.

But did Clinton learn from that? To quote the late John Belushi, "Noooooooo!"

Off we go into Libya! Libya is another country cobbled together by colonialists comprising of east, central and western groups. They're now battling it out there!

Then Syria! Another Ottoman "mosaic." Turks, Kurds, Christians of various types, Sunni Arabs, Alawite Arabs aligned with Shia but who are apostates to Sunnis. All with a nasty dictator holding control over the only Russian naval base that's never socked in by ice. As far as I can tell, everyone is fighting everyone else. I'd like them all to stop right now, but that's just not possible.

And the Saudis in Yemen.

SHE WAS INVOLVED IN GETTING THIS STARTED AND IT WILL NOT END IN MY LIFETIME.

She has screwed up massively and has not learned a thing!

I will shut up when I have to, but this business in MENA is terrible for us and them. But when we are allowed to criticize her policies here again, I will criticize her for this.

She was accepted at Radcliffe and Yale Law School. She got through one tough program well enough to get into another, and got through that. She is very bright. But she seems to be unable to learn at this point.

I have been off the internet for over a year due to family issues. I'm back on, and I will exercise my right to criticize until Skinner says no.

What is pathetic is the inability of Clinton supporters to acknowledge that Clinton has made mistakes that have hurt this country and others.

Perhaps it is pathetic that I think that criticism will somehow get through to her, but I can't help but try because I don't want to see any more people dying for false ideals.

[qdouble]

137. Where did she ever imply or say we should go to war with Russia or China?

Please quote the particular line unless you're just making shit up.

[truedelphi]

154. To think that the world would have been a safer place if only

Her daddy had the time to make make her feel loved.

[senz]

204. Now you're getting down to what is really wrong.

[emulatorloo]

155. Link?

[madokie]

124. We are bigger than that

We're democrats and we're not going to elect this woman to the Presidency. I say we can count on that too.

Bernie Sander will be our Next President

[tonyt53]

129. Dream on. One day you will awaken and it will all be over.

[Jack Bone]

177. I sure hope so...because if today's speech

Was supposed to show us how Presidential she is...or how well she can unite us in a common cause....she sadly failed.

[findrskeep]

131. I'm stunned at how she can say

anyone else lies with a straight face. Every time she says it I cringe and can only think of her getting caught in sooooo many lies. I can't be the only one. Projection is rampant these days.

[MrMickeysMom]

135. No wonder she has no desire to debate Bernie Sanders...

She has used up every crib note from her artful dodger handbook.

[seabeyond]

153. Clinton has kicked his ass a number of times. She is done with him and has moved on.

[MrMickeysMom]

157. Apparently, she hasn't...

I believe the only explanation, which is to "act" like she's the nominee.

She's done with him because she can't come up with any more promises to move to the left, since she could never be any more than a poop flinger, which is what she feels more comfortable doing against Drumpf... Stamp your feet all you want.

[seabeyond]

160. She is done because she won, and the focus is Trump. Not tough here.

[MrMickeysMom]

161. No... That wouldn't be tough for you.

Predictable from you, better still.

[Justice]

144. IT WAS A GREAT SPEECH

I am a Democrat - what about you?

[Jack Bone]

147. it's sad that you settle for that being a speech.

apart from her standing behind a podium, and reading prepared remarks...there's really nothing to brag about that being a "speech".

@ best it was 20 some minutes of 5 second zingers directed toward Trump.

this was drummed up as a foreign policy speech...no policies were put forward, that I could tell.

[Maedhros]

178. Not a Democrat.

I have higher standards for political speeches than just belittling one's opponent.

[senz]

205. I'm a Democrat.

She's a DINO.

Pay attention.

[kstewart33]

152. I watched it.

She went at Trump with a howitzer.

She's a tough ole broad. You go girl!

[laserhaas]

167. She doesnt give a chit

Queens...usually...simply dont care ..about U.S. peasants

[doc03]

168. Gee I see she hit a homerun and you say it was horrible. n/t

[Jack Bone]

175. Far from a home run...

Maybe a hard hit ball to 3rd...we'll see if she can run it out.

[LAS14]

179. I wish someone in the GOP could have taken Trump down like this....

.... months ago. Reduced him to "she did a terrible job with the teleprompter." Then we might have been threatened only with GOP conservatism instead of chaos.

[Jitter65]

180. i guess most you here didn't listen to her speech. nt

[glinda]

181. I heard part of that today and my jaw dropped.

OMG crazy.

[AzDar]

183. She'll go 'toe-to-toe with Russia and China', but runs from the IG, her commitment to debate BS

and the Press. Righty-O, Hill...

[Jack Bone]

209. LOL! nt

[coyote]

185. Remind me again what Democratic and Progressive ideals she holds other than

"she looks so presidential" by Clinton supporters.

[senz]

186. I admire your willingness to listen to that crap, Jack

and appreciate the review.

[Jack Bone]

218. thank you...thank you very much! nt

[Lil Missy]

201. It was a great speech, but I can see how that would upset some people here.

She attacked the Republican nominee - who would be an unmitigated disaster for this country - and the world.

But she never mentioned Bernie - how upsetting.

[senz]

206. For the last time: Bernie attacks Trump at every single rally.

[Jack Bone]

207. What's upsetting is that she tried to pass that off as a speech! nt

[Logical]

213. FFS, is this a stupid post! You scare me, and will soon be gone thank goodness. Nt

[Jack Bone]

217. I've been here a long time...I'm not going anywhere...

as for the post...it's what I noticed while watching Hillary's conflagration on Trump yesterday...take it for whatever it is...but it wasn't a foreign policy speech.

carry on...

[Logical]

219. Yea, you will be gone shortly, i doubt you can follow the rules. Nt

[Jack Bone]

220. this will be my 4th GE here..

I was a moderator back in the day...

I'll be fine...but thanx for caring

carry on

[Logical]

225. Lol, 1700 posts!

[Jack Bone]

228. lost my count w/ name change back in '08

really haven't posted much under Obama...no need to.

[B Calm]

222. Not one word about secure server.

[Jack Bone]

223. not that I heard...still waiting for the transcript ;)

[B Calm]

224. I think that will be Trump's October Surprise!

[Jack Bone]

227. I think you may be right nt

[Thinkingabout]

226. Great speech, said a lot of things which should be listened and then judge Trump

For what he is.