LA Times Poll: Bernie 44, Hillary 43 (Yeah, it's the same poll linked in the other thread)

[HerbChestnut]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-latimes-presidential-primary-poll-20160602-snap-story.html

The Vermont senator has battled Clinton to a draw among all voters eligible for the Democratic primary, with 44% siding with him to 43% for Clinton. That represented a nine-point swing from a USC/Los Angeles Times poll in March, in which Clinton led handily.

Here's the *actual* poll results. Unlike the other thread that singles out what they call "reliable voters", this one includes everybody.

[itsrobert]

1. Nice

Nice spin.

[HerbChestnut]

3. It's not spin. It's the actual results.

Did you even read the article? Sheesh...

[itsrobert]

7. Are you new to politics? Nt

Nt

[HerbChestnut]

8. Are you new to statistics?

[mythology]

10. Including unreliable voters isn't good statistical modeling

That whole unreliable thing makes it hard to use predicatively.

[HerbChestnut]

12. Check out my other OP related to this poll. The results might surprise you.

[beachbumbob]

2. Eligible voters the least accurate...lol

[tonyt53]

4. Try again

[HerbChestnut]

5. Did you read the article? nt

[Ferd Berfel]

6. What spin?

The Vermont senator has battled Clinton to a draw among all voters eligible for the Democratic primary, with 44% siding with him to 43% for Clinton. That represented a nine-point swing from a USC/Los Angeles Times poll in March, in which Clinton led handily.

[LonePirate]

9. I think someone has little to no understanding of political polling if they tout RVs over LVs.

[msongs]

11. in a poll of bernie sanders' wife, Jane, bernie won 100% of everything nt

[HerbChestnut]

13. Sticking your fingers in your ears, eh?

[azurnoir]

14. Here's a link to the actual poll results also of ineterest questions 21 and 22

https://gqrr.app.box.com/s/xcuxiz76cj9ff0a5v4a1ruwo9gl0u566

[auntpurl]

15. This is another example

of normal things that everyone has understood for years about elections suddenly being both CORRUPT and ATTACKING BERNIE. Along with deadlines for registrations, calling the presumptive nominee before the convention based on SD and PD counts, and sample ballots. And loads of other examples.

Eligible voters is a MUCH less reliable metric than likely voters. This is how it is done!

[azurnoir]

16. kick

[Recursion]

17. Turnout models have been drastically wrong in both directions this season

And that's ultimately what this question comes down to.

[Betty Karlson]

18. Good News. Given Sanders' usual performance, we may expect him to carry the state 60 - 40 at least.

[Betty Karlson]

21. All polls in open primary states have underestimated Sanders by 10 % at least